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Maybe the Yankees did not get screwed in the Pineda deal after all.


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#1 Bob

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 12:31 AM

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Coming off an injury and a Biogenesis suspension, former Yankees prospect Jesus Montero reported to Mariners camp 40 pounds overweight this spring, and the team’s general manager has been blunt in his assessment.

“I have zero expectations for Jesus Montero,” Jack Zduriencik told the Seattle Times. “Any expectations I had are gone. … I’m not counting on him. I’m not expecting anything. Whatever he does, he’s got to get our attention — that’s how I’m looking at it.”

Early this spring, Montero said that after playing winter ball, “all I did was eat.” Obviously that comment didn’t go over well, and apparently it’s added to the Mariners existing frustration. There were always rumblings of makeup and motivation concerns when Montero was in the Yankees organization, and those seem to have carried over.

Of course, it’s also worth remembering that Montero is still just 24 years old. He hasn’t performed nearly up to expectation since getting to Seattle. Michael Pineda, meanwhile, has not yet thrown a major-league pitch for the Yankees. That trade is still a long way from defining itself in terms of a winner and a loser.

“I can’t want it for him,” manager Lloyd McClendon said. “At some point, the light has to come on for all of us. When I talked with him, I told him he’s at a crossroads. It’s time to put up or shut up.”


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Posted 22 February 2014 - 12:42 AM

Montero was caught cheating?  I don't remember that.


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 02:22 PM

We traded fat for drunk.


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 12:28 AM

Although Montero has fell off a cliff it doesn't make up for Pineda not even stepping on a Yankee mound yet. Let's hope he bounces back this year.
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Posted 24 February 2014 - 12:42 PM

We traded fat for drunk.

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 03:56 PM

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 05:18 PM

Pineda has/had a great arm. You never know with pitchers.

 

Of course, giving Brett Gardener 52 Million seems silly though.


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 07:13 PM

Pineda has/had a great arm. You never know with pitchers.

Of course, giving Brett Gardener 52 Million seems silly though.


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 08:02 PM

Pineda has/had a great arm. You never know with pitchers.

 

Of course, giving Brett Gardener 52 Million seems silly though.

I actually have no problem with the Gardner deal. He has plus defense and plus speed and is still in his prime. This seems to be the going rate for guys with his skillset e.g Michael Bourn got 48 million.


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 10:01 PM

I actually have no problem with the Gardner deal. He has plus defense and plus speed and is still in his prime. This seems to be the going rate for guys with his skillset e.g Michael Bourn got 48 million.


He and Ellsbury are basically the same player. Not sure why you keep around Gardner, nevertheless give him 13 million year when he'll be 31 and once his legs go, he won't have plus speed or defense. He's a solid player, but he's not a compliment in that outfield.
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Posted 24 February 2014 - 10:20 PM

He and Ellsbury are basically the same player. Not sure why you keep around Gardner, nevertheless give him 13 million year when he'll be 31 and once his legs go, he won't have plus speed or defense. He's a solid player, but he's not a compliment in that outfield.

The real question is why pay Ellsbury 100 million more than Gardy.


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Posted 25 February 2014 - 12:06 AM

The real question is why pay Ellsbury 100 million more than Gardy.


This. Nothing wrong with the Gardner deal and there's no trade clause in there so he's always movable. There's nothing wrong with this deal
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Posted 25 February 2014 - 12:18 AM

This. Nothing wrong with the Gardner deal and there's no trade clause in there so he's always movable. There's nothing wrong with this deal

Agreed. Yanks should try and extend D-Rob next imo.However as of yesterday it was reported they haven't had talks yet.


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Posted 25 February 2014 - 12:47 PM

This. Nothing wrong with the Gardner deal and there's no trade clause in there so he's always movable. There's nothing wrong with this deal


Nothing at all except for the fact it was combined with giving Jacoby a boatload of money. Would have made more sense to give Cano the money and keep Gardner too. But the Yankees obviously know what they're doing.
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Posted 25 February 2014 - 12:52 PM

Nothing at all except for the fact it was combined with giving Jacoby a boatload of money. Would have made more sense to give Cano the money and keep Gardner too. But the Yankees obviously know what they're doing.


I'm not defending the stupid Ellsbury deal, that doesn't mean this one is bad for the Yankees. Like I said, worst case you can always move him at those numbers
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Posted 25 February 2014 - 02:32 PM

The real question is why pay Ellsbury 100 million more than Gardy.

 

Ceiling - Ellsbury at his best is better than Gardner at his best. That and they bought Ellsbury on the FA market, where prices are naturally going to be higher. 

 

They're "basically the same player" in the sense that both are fast, efficient, and play high quality defense. A few details in and it becomes obvious why Ellsbury is considered the bigger talent. That's no insult to Gardner - both are proven first division starters. 


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 12:00 AM

Nothing at all except for the fact it was combined with giving Jacoby a boatload of money. Would have made more sense to give Cano the money and keep Gardner too. But the Yankees obviously know what they're doing.

Would it really have made sense to give Cano the money? 10 year deal worth 240 million? No thanks. The Yankees most certainly knew what they were doing with that and imo made the right decision. 10 year deals rarely work out and I dont think it would have with a 31 year old 2B.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 07:36 AM

Would it really have made sense to give Cano the money? 10 year deal worth 240 million? No thanks. The Yankees most certainly knew what they were doing with that and imo made the right decision. 10 year deals rarely work out and I dont think it would have with a 31 year old 2B.


How many years did the give Ellsbury and how old is he? Who is the better player at his position? Which one has the injury history? Which one did you already have a player like in Brett Gardner? The Yankees are just throwing money at problems and hoping it works out.

Speaking of working out CC looks weird. He's so skinny!
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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:15 AM

Nothing at all except for the fact it was combined with giving Jacoby a boatload of money. Would have made more sense to give Cano the money and keep Gardner too. But the Yankees obviously know what they're doing.

 

Holy crap. Carl made sense.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 04:08 PM

How many years did the give Ellsbury and how old is he? Who is the better player at his position? Which one has the injury history? Which one did you already have a player like in Brett Gardner? The Yankees are just throwing money at problems and hoping it works out.

Speaking of working out CC looks weird. He's so skinny!


Ellsbury's deal was only 7 years and he's 30 years old. And just for fun the last time the Yankees threw their money at needs and hoped it worked out was in 09 and they won the World Series. Maybe history will repeat itself. CC does look weird ill give you that lol
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Posted 26 February 2014 - 05:28 PM

Ellsbury's deal was only 7 years and he's 30 years old. And just for fun the last time the Yankees threw their money at needs and hoped it worked out was in 09 and they won the World Series. Maybe history will repeat itself. CC does look weird ill give you that lol

 

Who is going to be their A-Rod to carry them to it this year? I just don't see it happening. It isn't the way champions are built anymore.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 07:06 PM

Who is going to be their A-Rod to carry them to it this year? I just don't see it happening. It isn't the way champions are built anymore.


Always next year, maybe Arod can come back at 38 and hit like .600 in the playoffs. It's worked for other Dominican PED users

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 07:09 PM

Who is going to be their A-Rod to carry them to it this year? I just don't see it happening. It isn't the way champions are built anymore.

You never know. A-Rod came off hip surgery in 09. Tex is coming off wrist surgery this year. Maybe Tex can carry them? It can be anyone though, just have to get to the dance and see what happens and imo the Yankees are a playoff team this year.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:28 PM

Always next year, maybe Arod can come back at 38 and hit like .600 in the playoffs. It's worked for other Dominican PED users


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:29 PM

You never know. A-Rod came off hip surgery in 09. Tex is coming off wrist surgery this year. Maybe Tex can carry them? It can be anyone though, just have to get to the dance and see what happens and imo the Yankees are a playoff team this year.


They'll be fighting for a wildcard for sure.
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