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#1 Gastineau Lives

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 08:42 AM


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 08:57 AM

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Too bad we selected Milliner at 9 as Gilbert is more versatile of a prospect as a cover and return guy.

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 10:10 AM

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Too bad we selected Milliner at 9 as Gilbert is more versatile of a prospect as a cover and return guy.

 

if/when the Jets cut Cro, they could very well go CB again if Gilbert is there 

 

he would be value at that spot and Idzik is looking for value. Again remember when Rex was hired, Ozzie Newsome said he would be begging for man to man CBs every year and that's been a true prediction. They drafted Kyle WIlson the same year they got Cro. Rex can literally not have enough press corners. They won't pass on Gilbert because of Dee Milliner. 

 

as for Pryor this is exactly the type of player REx wants in his defense but this team won't use the 18 pick on a hard hitting 4.66 safety. They will use it on a 4.35 CB (or 4.3 WR or 4.5 OLB etc). they will draft freaks. If Pryor is there in rd 2, then yeah game on. 


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 10:46 AM

Pyror or Clinton-Dix would really help that defensive backfield, but if I could choose any defensive player outside of Clowney, I think I'm going Khalil Mack. Dude just looks like a football player and plays angry.  I also would like to see more of Dee Ford: he put on a show at the senior bowl and reports out of Auburn are that he used to practice agility and coverage drills with the defensive backs, so I believe he could make that transition to OLB pretty well. 


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 10:46 AM

if/when the Jets cut Cro, they could very well go CB again if Gilbert is there 

 

he would be value at that spot and Idzik is looking for value. Again remember when Rex was hired, Ozzie Newsome said he would be begging for man to man CBs every year and that's been a true prediction. They drafted Kyle WIlson the same year they got Cro. Rex can literally not have enough press corners. They won't pass on Gilbert because of Dee Milliner. 

 

as for Pryor this is exactly the type of player REx wants in his defense but this team won't use the 18 pick on a hard hitting 4.66 safety. They will use it on a 4.35 CB (or 4.3 WR or 4.5 OLB etc). they will draft freaks. If Pryor is there in rd 2, then yeah game on. 

4.58 and he's not going to be available in the 2nd round.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 10:48 AM

if/when the Jets cut Cro, they could very well go CB again if Gilbert is there 

 

he would be value at that spot and Idzik is looking for value. Again remember when Rex was hired, Ozzie Newsome said he would be begging for man to man CBs every year and that's been a true prediction. They drafted Kyle WIlson the same year they got Cro. Rex can literally not have enough press corners. They won't pass on Gilbert because of Dee Milliner. 

 

as for Pryor this is exactly the type of player REx wants in his defense but this team won't use the 18 pick on a hard hitting 4.66 safety. They will use it on a 4.35 CB (or 4.3 WR or 4.5 OLB etc). they will draft freaks. If Pryor is there in rd 2, then yeah game on. 

 

Gilbert was only a four star recruit coming out of high school. As per the Bitonti-Idzik rules, he's not drafting a freak four star guy from Ok state when a five star recruit from an SEC school could be sitting on there.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 10:54 AM

Gilbert was only a four star recruit coming out of high school. As per the Bitonti-Idzik rules, he's not drafting a freak four star guy from Ok state when a five star recruit from an SEC school could be sitting on there.

 

ive seen you make this snippy post a couple times. First off I am not Idzik. I don't get a pick. The current GM of the Jets has picked 2 first rounders and both were 5 star players from the SEC. you can choose to ignore that evidence, if you like. 

 

Last year they were drafting top 10 cusp. this year it's top 20 cusp. There literally aren't gonna be any 5 stars available unless they trade up (or the Jets have vastly different grades on Jackson Jeffcoat and Cyrus than everyone else). 4 star is fine tho.

 

What isn't gonna happen is a 2 star guy like dennard or a 3 star guy like Pryor. not in rd 1. That's my prediction. What's your prediction?  


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 10:54 AM

4.58 and he's not going to be available in the 2nd round.

 

Geno Smith wasn't supposed to be in the 2nd round either Idzik will wait for value. He's not gonna reach. 


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:02 AM

ive seen you make this snippy post a couple times. First off I am not Idzik. I don't get a pick. The current GM of the Jets has picked 2 first rounders and both were 5 star players from the SEC. you can choose to ignore that evidence, if you like. 
 
Last year they were drafting top 10 cusp. this year it's top 20 cusp. There literally aren't gonna be any 5 stars available unless they trade up (or the Jets have vastly different grades on Jackson Jeffcoat and Cyrus than everyone else). 4 star is fine tho.
 
What isn't gonna happen is a 2 star guy like dennard or a 3 star guy like Pryor. not in rd 1. That's my prediction. What's your prediction?  


I think one draft is probably a little light in evidence to determine a trend. The fact that in last year's draft he was using Tannenbaum's scouting department, and this year he'll be using his own, could change the way he approaches the first round this year, too.
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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:05 AM

Geno Smith wasn't supposed to be in the 2nd round either Idzik will wait for value. He's not gonna reach. 

 

I'd rather they didn't go defense at all, but if they did and Idzik liked him, then I'd love to have him, from what I've heard about him from Mayock and from what little I've seen.

 

I have a very limited opinion in terms of draft prospects. I opened the thread to see what everyone else thought, hopefully people with more informed opinions than mine, such as yourself.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:07 AM

ive seen you make this snippy post a couple times. First off I am not Idzik. I don't get a pick. The current GM of the Jets has picked 2 first rounders and both were 5 star players from the SEC. you can choose to ignore that evidence, if you like. 

 

Last year they were drafting top 10 cusp. this year it's top 20 cusp. There literally aren't gonna be any 5 stars available unless they trade up (or the Jets have vastly different grades on Jackson Jeffcoat and Cyrus than everyone else). 4 star is fine tho.

 

What isn't gonna happen is a 2 star guy like dennard or a 3 star guy like Pryor. not in rd 1. That's my prediction. What's your prediction?  

 

Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix was a five star prospect and is from the SEC, exactly the same combination you constantly regurgitate on here and is likely to be on the board, thus why I mentioned it.  I made the snarky comment because you make predictions on Idzik's thinking based off of one year and act like it's fact. 

 

My prediction depend on what we do in FA, but if I'm putting my Idzik cap on, I think Ha-Ha has to be a clear-cut favorite. Earl Thomas-like, 5 star recruit, championship winner, SEC, very good athlete and fits a position of huge need. 


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:09 AM

What about guys like Jean-Baptiste or Keith McGill around the 3rd? I love Pryor but not sure about him in the first round.
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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:18 AM

Geno Smith wasn't supposed to be in the 2nd round either Idzik will wait for value. He's not gonna reach. 

 

That's value on the Jets' board though, which is very different from draftniks or even Kiper/Mayock. The Jets noted that they had them both in their top five last year, and there's only one person I recall having both Richardson and Milliner in their top 5 last year from the boards that I saw online.

 

 

Ultimately one year is a miniscule sample size and it's really hard to tell what Idzik is going to do. They were apparently debating Geno at 13 and then waited until he fell to 39. Does that mean they're not going to trade up this year? Maybe, but maybe there was a different reason last year or they'll be more willing with extra picks this year.

 

And while we're talking about freaks from the SEC, where does Donte Moncrief fall in the conversation? Not advocating picking him at 18, but if that's the criteria is he on the table? Looks like he was a four star in 2011 so not quite all the way there, but almost.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:23 AM

Jets will be going Best player, it could be anyone, they will just go off their board. Unlike Tanny Idzik will not reach. Which I love because its how you build a quality team.

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:25 AM

khalil mack.

 

even though hes a longshot to be sitting at 10 let alone 18


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:29 AM

khalil mack.

 

even though hes a longshot to be sitting at 10 let alone 18

 

Yeah, he'll be long gone.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:40 AM

I think one draft is probably a little light in evidence to determine a trend.  

 

it was one draft but two first round draft picks. SO it's kinda like two drafts. There is no luxury of huge sample size in a job where the average GM gets to make less than 5 first round draft picks. Most of these guys aren't gonna get a massive amount of draft picks to draw a statistically significant sample. Idzik could have 20 draft picks and we could still play the "isn't enough evidence" Card. 

 

 

Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix was a five star prospect and is from the SEC, exactly the same combination you constantly regurgitate on here and is likely to be on the board, thus why I mentioned it.  I made the snarky comment because you make predictions on Idzik's thinking based off of one year and act like it's fact. 

 

My prediction depend on what we do in FA, but if I'm putting my Idzik cap on, I think Ha-Ha has to be a clear-cut favorite. Earl Thomas-like, 5 star recruit, championship winner, SEC, very good athlete and fits a position of huge need. 

 

HA HA is a very interesting player and as you mention he fits the Idzik trend perfectly. The one problem is that Rex doesn't prioritize free safety. He has no use for these guys. Safety traditionally isn't a first round position teams value. He's not an Eric berry type of prospect. But would I be shocked if the Jets drafted this player? no. it certainly does fit the trend. 

 

 

And while we're talking about freaks from the SEC, where does Donte Moncrief fall in the conversation? Not advocating picking him at 18, but if that's the criteria is he on the table? Looks like he was a four star in 2011 so not quite all the way there, but almost.

 

Love this player. If you look at the WR crop there's actually interesting guys all over the first three rounds. Personally I'd rather have moncrief at 2nd round prices over Lee at first round prices. 


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:43 AM

Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix was a five star prospect and is from the SEC, exactly the same combination you constantly regurgitate on here and is likely to be on the board, thus why I mentioned it.  I made the snarky comment because you make predictions on Idzik's thinking based off of one year and act like it's fact. 

 

My prediction depend on what we do in FA, but if I'm putting my Idzik cap on, I think Ha-Ha has to be a clear-cut favorite. Earl Thomas-like, 5 star recruit, championship winner, SEC, very good athlete and fits a position of huge need. 

 

I wouldn't call Ha-Ha a freak though, and frankly he's not in the same stratosphere as Earl Thomas athletically. Seems like an overreaction to Seattle's success and trying to make a player into someone he's not. Earl Thomas is pretty unique, it'd be kind of foolish to try to find a player to fill that role when a player like that probably doesn't exist in this draft or probably the next few. Especially when your team's current defensive scheme doesn't really prioritize safety play. I'm not sure Idzik is smart enough not to make a move like that, but I'd like to hope so.

 

 

The one defensive player I'd be up for in round 1 who actually might be there is Anthony Barr. Lots of talk he's slipping on boards but he's an excellent athlete and the upside is immense. Maybe not ready right now, but as a guy who can play in sub packages behind Pace and rush the passer a bit on passing downs as he adds bulk and learns more pass rushing moves (has only been playing defense I believe the last two years) I think he fits really well. Great situation for him and a gamble that's likely to pay off for the Jets given their defensive front and coaching staff, plus Barr's supposedly a hard worker. Day two or later give me Trent Murphy if they don't go OLB early.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:46 AM

it was one draft but two first round draft picks. SO it's kinda like two drafts. There is no luxury of huge sample size in a job where the average GM gets to make less than 5 first round draft picks. Most of these guys aren't gonna get a massive amount of draft picks to draw a statistically significant sample. Idzik could have 20 draft picks and we could still play the "isn't enough evidence" Card. 

 

 

 

HA HA is a very interesting player and as you mention he fits the Idzik trend perfectly. The one problem is that Rex doesn't prioritize free safety. He has no use for these guys. Safety traditionally isn't a first round position teams value. He's not an Eric berry type of prospect. But would I be shocked if the Jets drafted this player? no. it certainly does fit the trend. 

 

 

 

Love this player. If you look at the WR crop there's actually interesting guys all over the first three rounds. Personally I'd rather have moncrief at 2nd round prices over Lee at first round prices. 

 

That's why I think we might see see Moncrief go in round 1 and Lee go in round 2 come draft day. Lee seems to be following the same path Robert Woods did a year ago, though to be fair I've never liked him as much as those who thought he was a top 5 guy before this season did though.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:49 AM

I agree, I think if Mike Evans is taken I think we should go safety, him or either Clinton-Dix. I like the idea of Milliner and Clinton Dix are both from bama


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:56 AM

What about guys like Jean-Baptiste or Keith McGill around the 3rd? I love Pryor but not sure about him in the first round.

 

My thoughts exactly, get a big guy in the 2nd or 3rd round, and have him play the Kam Chancellor role. 


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:58 AM

I wouldn't call Ha-Ha a freak though, and frankly he's not in the same stratosphere as Earl Thomas athletically. Seems like an overreaction to Seattle's success and trying to make a player into someone he's not. Earl Thomas is pretty unique, it'd be kind of foolish to try to find a player to fill that role when a player like that probably doesn't exist in this draft or probably the next few. Especially when your team's current defensive scheme doesn't really prioritize safety play. I'm not sure Idzik is smart enough not to make a move like that, but I'd like to hope so.

 

 

The one defensive player I'd be up for in round 1 who actually might be there is Anthony Barr. Lots of talk he's slipping on boards but he's an excellent athlete and the upside is immense. Maybe not ready right now, but as a guy who can play in sub packages behind Pace and rush the passer a bit on passing downs as he adds bulk and learns more pass rushing moves (has only been playing defense I believe the last two years) I think he fits really well. Great situation for him and a gamble that's likely to pay off for the Jets given their defensive front and coaching staff, plus Barr's supposedly a hard worker. Day two or later give me Trent Murphy if they don't go OLB early.

 

I was going to rep this until you mentioned Barr.  While he might become a player, he's just not there yet.  This franchise needs plug-n-play players until they get to a point where we can start drafting developmental guys in the first round.  Just my opinion.  


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 12:01 PM

Pyror or Clinton-Dix would really help that defensive backfield, but if I could choose any defensive player outside of Clowney, I think I'm going Khalil Mack. Dude just looks like a football player and plays angry.  I also would like to see more of Dee Ford: he put on a show at the senior bowl and reports out of Auburn are that he used to practice agility and coverage drills with the defensive backs, so I believe he could make that transition to OLB pretty well. 

 

Agreed...though I really do like the corners...Gilbert and Denard.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 12:09 PM

FTR - I dont want a safety.   I'd be fine with an OLB or Corner though...safety just doesnt tickle my fancy in the first round.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 12:34 PM

Deon Bucannon in the 2nd or 3rd is the smart pick at safety -- when all is said and done, he might wind up being the best safety coming out of this draft.


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