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You forget the following:

 

Seattle got lucky with their draft picks.  A lot.

 

They have a coach that could coach a womens softball team (forget that he once coached here, and sucked)

 

Russell Wilson is gritty, Geno Smith is *****y

 

We had our Sherman, and our idiot GM/owner traded him away.

 

Seattle has like....a bajillion CB's.  We have Ras I-Dowling.

 

Seattle spent their FA money over the years (on Zach Miller, who wasn't an all-pro...but that was just unlucky).

 

Seattle has the 12th man.  Our fans don't care because ownership is so bad.

 

Eric Decker had Peyton Manning throwing to him, he is teh suck.  

 

We let all time greats like Austin Howard and Jerricho Cotchery walk away.

 

40+ years dude.  You haven't even been alive long enough to understand the pain.  Srs.

 

 

 

Did I forget anything? I'm sure I did.

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John IdzikJetsfan80 started this thread in the  It breaks down how Seattle put together their starting lineup.  I felt it was worth sharing, because it clearly illustrates the importance of the NFL draft.  Many Jets fans and beat reporters are saying John Idzik is sleeping at the wheel.  Looks like Idzik is wide awake and is just following his master plan, which doesn’t involve over spending on free agents.

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Every successful team can pick out a few key signings.  Which is why Decker and Giacommini are nothing to spit at.  Those are good signings.  So was the trade for Chris Ivory.  But you don’t just say “We have needs/wants at 8 positions.  We’ll fill those with 6 or 7 free agents and call it a day” like the Browns or Raiders are doing.  They’re trying to win with other people’s players because they failed so miserably at drafting their own talent.

Look at the Seahawks starters and you tell me if it looks like the type of roster Idzik is looking to build:

[NOTE:  For our purposes, I am assuming Sidney Rice is headed elsewhere.  If he doesn't, he takes Lockette's spot on the depth chart]

QB:  Russell Wilson (3rd round pick)

RB:  Marshawn Lynch (trade:  2011 4th round pick, 2012 conditional pick)

WR:  Doug Baldwin (UDFA)

WR:  Percy Harvin (trade:  1st and 7th rounder)

WR:  Ricardo Lockette (UDFA)

TE:  Zach Miller (Signed 2011 to 5-year deal)

LT:  Russell Okung (Top 10 pick)

LG:  James Carpenter (1st rounder)

C:  Max Unger (2nd rounder)

RG:  JR Sweezy (7th rounder)

RT:  Michael Bowie (7th rounder)

 

LDE:  Michael Bennett (UDFA)

DT:  Brandon Mebane (3rd rounder)

DT:  Tony McDaniel (UDFA, bounced between Jaguars and Dolphins, signed in 2013)

RDE:  Cliff Avrill (Signed as RFA in 2011)

OLB:  Malcolm Smith (7th rounder)

MLB:  Bobby Wagner (2nd rounder)

OLB:  Bruce Irvin (1st rounder)

CB:  Richard Sherman (5th rounder)

CB:  Byron Maxwell (6th rounder)

FS:  Earl Thomas (1st rounder)

SS:  Kam Chancellor (5th rounder)

Of all Seattle’s starters on offense, only 1, Zach Miller, was a free agent signing.  Much like the Jets traded a 4th rounder for Chris Ivory, the Seahawks did the same to get Marshawn Lynch.  Harvin was a pickup via trade as well, but his health has prevented him from making any impact on a team that won the Super Bowl largely without him.

Of their starters on defense, only one, Cliff Avrill, was a significant free agent signing.  McDaniel was a scrap-heap pickup that worked out.  The rest they found via the draft.

The Seahawks entire back 7 was found via the draft.  Their entire offensive line was drafted.  That’s impressive stuff.  You cannot even come close to arguing that this Seattle roster depended on free agents.  They depend on the draft.  Period. 

If the Seahawks are the model we’re looking to duplicate, Idzik is right on target so far.  He’s accumulating talent via the draft, filling a few needs where he can via free agency.  This is how you build a winner.

 

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whether they sign FA or not, this only works if they have the QB. 

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They have a coach that could coach a womens softball team (forget that he once coached here, and sucked)

 

 

 
I need a translation on this. 
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I posted this in another thread.  However, because I'm awesome, I decided to make it into a thread on its own.

 

 

Every successful team can pick out a few key signings.  Which is why Decker and Giacommini are nothing to spit at.  Those are good signings.  So was the trade for Chris Ivory.  But you don't just say "We have needs/wants at 8 positions.  We'll fill those with 6 or 7 free agents and call it a day" like the Browns or Raiders are doing.  They're trying to win with other people's players because they failed so miserably at drafting their own talent.

 

Look at the Seahawks starters and you tell me if it looks like the type of roster Idzik is looking to build:

 

[NOTE:  For our purposes, I am assuming Sidney Rice is headed elsewhere.  If he doesn't, he takes Lockette's spot on the depth chart]

 

QB:  Russell Wilson (3rd round pick)

RB:  Marshawn Lynch (trade:  2011 4th round pick, 2012 conditional pick)

WR:  Doug Baldwin (UDFA)

WR:  Percy Harvin (trade:  1st and 7th rounder)

WR:  Ricardo Lockette (UDFA)

TE:  Zach Miller (Signed 2011 to 5-year deal)

LT:  Russell Okung (Top 10 pick)

LG:  James Carpenter (1st rounder)

C:  Max Unger (2nd rounder)

RG:  JR Sweezy (7th rounder)

RT:  Michael Bowie (7th rounder)

 

LDE:  Michael Bennett (UDFA)

DT:  Brandon Mebane (3rd rounder)

DT:  Tony McDaniel (UDFA, bounced between Jaguars and Dolphins, signed in 2013)

RDE:  Cliff Avrill (Signed as RFA in 2011)

OLB:  Malcolm Smith (7th rounder)

MLB:  Bobby Wagner (2nd rounder)

OLB:  Bruce Irvin (1st rounder)

CB:  Richard Sherman (5th rounder)

CB:  Byron Maxwell (6th rounder)

FS:  Earl Thomas (1st rounder)

SS:  Kam Chancellor (5th rounder)

 

 

Of all Seattle's starters on offense, only 1, Zach Miller, was a free agent signing.  Much like the Jets traded a 4th rounder for Chris Ivory, the Seahawks did the same to get Marshawn Lynch.  Harvin was a pickup via trade as well, but his health has prevented him from making any impact on a team that won the Super Bowl largely without him.

 

Of their starters on defense, only one, Cliff Avrill, was a significant free agent signing.  McDaniel was a scrap-heap pickup that worked out.  The rest they found via the draft.

 

The Seahawks entire back 7 was found via the draft.  Their entire offensive line was drafted.  That's impressive stuff.  You cannot even come close to arguing that this Seattle roster depended on free agents.  They depend on the draft.  Period. 

 

If the Seahawks are the model we're looking to duplicate, Idzik is right on target so far.  He's accumulating talent via the draft, filling a few needs where he can via free agency.  And he's also, when the timing is right, making trades with those draft picks.  I imagine that he might make a deal or 2 with some of our 12 draft picks when the 2014 draft rolls around, too.

 

This is how you build a winner.

OK, thats it, you are Banned for making too much sense ;)

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I need a translation on this. 

 

 

If Pete Carroll were to replace Russell Wilson and Marshawn Lynch with softball players and coach against Rex, he'd win eleventy-billion to 1.  He's such a good human being, he'd give one of this extra points to Rex as a charitable donation.

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whether they sign FA or not, this only works if they have the QB. 

Boingo.

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80 + AVM = unstoppable

 

Between your knowledge of Seattles roster and my knowledge of how to google past Super Bowl champions, all the haters should tremble in fear.

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If Pete Carroll were to replace Russell Wilson and Marshawn Lynch with softball players and coach against Rex, he'd win eleventy-billion to 1.  He's such a good human being, he'd give one of this extra points to Rex as a charitable donation.

 

How did he do his first two seasons? Any guess as to what his record was?

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Stole this for the front page (and gave Jetsfan80 full credit).  Awesome.

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How did he do his first two seasons? Any guess as to what his record was?

it sucked while GM schneider patiently rebuilt team

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If Pete Carroll were to replace Russell Wilson and Marshawn Lynch with softball players and coach against Rex, he'd win eleventy-billion to 1.  He's such a good human being, he'd give one of this extra points to Rex as a charitable donation.

 

Pete Carroll can suck a bag of dicks.

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This is how you build a winner.

 

I love how, every season, the way to "build a winner" changes based on who won the Superbowl. Denver plays up to the level that they are capable of in the Superbowl, and we're looking at a very different discussion. But the Broncos had a bad game, therefore, Seattle knows the only way to build a roster.

 

By the way, when was John Idzik the GM of the Seahawks? I couldn't find that in his resume.

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How did he do his first two seasons? Any guess as to what his record was?

 

 

Pete Carroll can suck a bag of dicks.

 

Wait...you two don't actually think I'm serious, do you? :rl:

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When was John Idzik the GM of the Seahawks? I couldn't find that in his resume.

 

THE SEAHAWKS TRADITION.

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Wait...you two don't actually think I'm serious, do you? :rl:

 

Dude, I can't even tell anymore.

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When was John Idzik the GM of the Seahawks? I couldn't find that in his resume.

 

When did teams win the Super Bowl by signing 3-4+ big FA's in an off-season.  I couldn't find that on Google.

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Dude, I can't even tell anymore.

 

My apologies, lol.  I was merely regurgitating the sky-is-falling crowds lines.  My hope is since the second post has all of them, maybe the rest of the thread won't be cluttered with them.

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When did teams win the Super Bowl by signing 3-4+ big FA's in an off-season.  I couldn't find that on Google.

 

Good question, because only the Super Bowl winners count. Any team that was in the Super Bowl or came near it doesn't count, because they obv. had no chance at winning it.

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When did teams win the Super Bowl by signing 3-4+ big FA's in an off-season.  I couldn't find that on Google.

 

Here's another one for you to Google: Teams that consistently stayed 30 million dollars under the salary cap and consistently won. 

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Pete Carroll can suck a bag of dicks.

 

Oh and because I never turn down the opportunity to agree with this notion:

 

Yes.  Yes he can.

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Good question, because only the Super Bowl winners count. Any team that was in the Super Bowl or came near it doesn't count, because they obv. had no chance at winning it.

 

If the numbers were any where CLOSE to even being 50/50 on Super Bowl winners, you'd have a point.  2 out of the past 18 is pretty condemning evidence, sorry to break it to you.

 

And I've already discussed that the list of Super Bowl losers isn't much better for FA-heavy teams.

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If the numbers were any where CLOSE to even being 50/50 on Super Bowl winners, you'd have a point.  2 out of the past 18 is pretty condemning evidence, sorry to break it to you.

 

And I've already discussed that the list of Super Bowl losers isn't much better for FA-heavy teams.

 

 

Here's another one for you to Google: Teams that consistently stayed 30 million dollars under the salary cap and consistently won. 

 

There you go. Try that one. :)

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Denver can do it this year if Payton holds up, then this conversation will be different. 

 

The point is you either have a QB or you don't.  We don't the Broncos and Seahawks do.

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