bitonti Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 How often is there a player who is "worthy of #1" in the draft by this metric? Anyone this year? Besides Luck, anyone in recent history? I ask because at some point, you have to take a player first. It seems very likely that despite last year, Clowney could be the best in this draft and he plays a position worth taking high. At some point someone has to be 1st. the guy has 3 years of college ball to judge from... throwing away a whole year always feels troublesome to me. the last time the draft was going to start off with a guy who missed a year that guy was Sam Bradford. And at least he had an excuse. Clowney's excuse is he didn't want it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 the guy has 3 years of college ball to judge from... throwing away a whole year always feels troublesome to me. the last time the draft was going to start off with a guy who missed a year that guy was Sam Bradford. And at least he had an excuse. Clowney's excuse is he didn't want it? This doesn't even attempt to answer the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 This doesn't even attempt to answer the question. It's because there's no alternative. He's trying to argue against 'take Clowney' without arguing 'don't take Clowney.' Which, yes, is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 This doesn't even attempt to answer the question. what's the question, who is better than Clowney? How about Mack? How about Manziel? at least those guys try all the time. this whole thread is a testiment how group think can settle in. Everyones said Clowney's the best, he ran a 4.6 and jumped over 17 tackle bags so he must be the best. I don't buy it. He had 3 sacks last year cause he's a dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 this whole thread is a testiment how group think can settle in. #atleastiamdoingresearch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 what's the question, who is better than Clowney? How about Mack? How about Manziel? at least those guys try all the time. this whole thread is a testiment how group think can settle in. Everyones said Clowney's the best, he ran a 4.6 and jumped over 17 tackle bags so he must be the best. I don't buy it. He had 3 sacks last year cause he's a dog. I am way higher on Manziel than most people and still all I can see here is you arguing for a quarterback who likes to jump when he throws the ball over the best player in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I am way higher on Manziel than most people and still all I can see here is you arguing for a quarterback who likes to jump when he throws the ball over the best player in the draft. ugh stop calling him that. The NFL is a job which requires effort. He's a real interesting player. He's not the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 ugh stop calling him that. The NFL is a job which requires effort. He's a real interesting player. He's not the best. No, the best player in the draft is a dude from Buffalo you never heard of two years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 ugh stop calling him that. The NFL is a job which requires effort. He's a real interesting player. He's not the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 what's the question, who is better than Clowney? How about Mack? How about Manziel? at least those guys try all the time. this whole thread is a testiment how group think can settle in. Everyones said Clowney's the best, he ran a 4.6 and jumped over 17 tackle bags so he must be the best. I don't buy it. He had 3 sacks last year cause he's a dog. The question is everything in my first post which preceeds this symbol: ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 ugh stop calling him that. The NFL is a job which requires effort. He's a real interesting player. He's not the best. We're here because you are looking for the best of the best of the best, sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 The question is everything in my first post which preceeds this symbol: ? Third time's the charm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 The question is everything in my first post which preceeds this symbol: ? Link for research purposes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Question_mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 So what times are research presentations set for? Totally off-topic, but how important is it for you to publish? Are you at one of those publish or perish universities? I've been told an increasing amount that a lot of residency spots won't even look at you if you're not doing research and publishing sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 ugh stop calling him that. The NFL is a job which requires effort. He's a real interesting player. He's not the best. I've been around enough to know that you like playing devils advocate and stirring the pot by going against conventional thought, which is completely fine. However, in the last handful of months, I've only seen you give reasons why he shouldn't go number one and besides ticket and jersey sales, haven't seen you give any specific reasons why anyone should be drafted over him. You say draft the best player, give me players and reasons why they are better...none of which mention merchandising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Totally off-topic, but how important is it for you to publish? Are you at one of those publish or perish universities? I've been told an increasing amount that a lot of residency spots won't even look at you if you're not doing research and publishing sh*t. I'm fortunate enough to be at an institution that would rather teach you to do good work before publishing, rather than forcing you to publish bad work before you're ready. The problem with the latter is that once something with your name on it is out there, it's out there forever. In my experience the best work from graduate students comes from candidates who don't publish until they begin their dissertation, and what makes it easy in that instance is that you can just rewrite chapters for submission. Win/win. It's not universal of course, but we're just too busy otherwise to really write something well enough for the better journals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I'm fortunate enough to be at an institution that would rather teach you to do good work before publishing, rather than forcing you to publish bad work before you're ready. The problem with the latter is that once something with your name on it is out there, it's out there forever. In my experience the best work from graduate students comes from candidates who don't publish until they begin their dissertation, and what makes it easy in that instance is that you can just rewrite chapters for submission. Win/win. It's not universal of course, but we're just too busy otherwise to really write something well enough for the better journals. That's awesome. You're lucky and certainly seem in the minority. All the PhDs who give us lectures about their niche in whatever subject we're studying seem like they're ass is constantly on the hot-seat unless they're tenured. Again, irrelevant, but have you ever thought about going to work for a hedge-fund? One of my buddy's works at a fairly prestigious one and says they routinely employ people who have their PhD's in stats or some sort of analytics to write algorithms for them. Crazy stressful job, but they are part of the profit sharing scheme and pull down 7 figures. Lots of them work for a year or two then leave to do something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 That's awesome. You're lucky and certainly seem in the minority. All the PhDs who give us lectures about their niche in whatever subject we're studying seem like they're ass is constantly on the hot-seat unless they're tenured. Again, irrelevant, but have you ever thought about going to work for a hedge-fund? One of my buddy's works at a fairly prestigious one and says they routinely employ people who have their PhD's in stats or some sort of analytics to write algorithms for them. Crazy stressful job, but they are part of the profit sharing scheme and pull down 7 figures. Lots of them work for a year or two then leave to do something else. Tenure in political science is far more reliant on books than journal articles. Not that the latter isn't important. Never. Under no circumstances would I work in finance or investment, ditto for any partisan think tank. Nothing against those who do, but I'm of the personal belief that it's actually my job to not do those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Tenure in political science is far more reliant on books than journal articles. Not that the latter isn't important. Never. Under no circumstances would I work in finance or investment, ditto for any partisan think tank. Nothing against those who do, but I'm of the personal belief that it's actually my job to not do those things. Totally understandable and commendable, it's rather rare to hear people say that. I joke a lot about how I wish I did finance every time I look at my loans and then see those guys on the cover of Forbes racing their yachts, but I couldn't work in finance. Not just because I wouldn't like it, but also because I have no marketable skills that they'd use lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 That's awesome. You're lucky and certainly seem in the minority. All the PhDs who give us lectures about their niche in whatever subject we're studying seem like they're ass is constantly on the hot-seat unless they're tenured. Again, irrelevant, but have you ever thought about going to work for a hedge-fund? One of my buddy's works at a fairly prestigious one and says they routinely employ people who have their PhD's in stats or some sort of analytics to write algorithms for them. Crazy stressful job, but they are part of the profit sharing scheme and pull down 7 figures. Lots of them work for a year or two then leave to do something else. This is the kind of thing Revis would do, you know, if he had the appropriate PhD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 This is the kind of thing Revis would do, you know, if he had the appropriate PhD. Those hedge-fund guys just make stupid money. There was a post on reddit from someone who followed one of the big hedge-fund managers at the ATM and he forgot his receipt: his bank account had $130 million in it. I can't even wrap my head around that. You could do two chicks at once like, a 130 times with that type of cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Totally understandable and commendable, it's rather rare to hear people say that. I joke a lot about how I wish I did finance every time I look at my loans and then see those guys on the cover of Forbes racing their yachts, but I couldn't work in finance. Not just because I wouldn't like it, but also because I have no marketable skills that they'd use lol. There's also the fact that I like enjoying what I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 There's also the fact that I like enjoying what I do. Oooh nice, I've heard of that. I just always figured it was like one of those rare birds you see in NatGeo that really interest you, but never actually see in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 https://twitter.com/nflnetwork/status/528922856592519168 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Welp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Welp Bits too nice of a guy to gloat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Bits too nice of a guy to gloat. Too much water under the bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Too much water under the bridge. SEE? YA SEE?? I TOLD YOU THAT I DID RESEARCH AND THAT BEING DAVID CLOWNEY'S FAMILY WOULD ABSOLUTELY PUT THE KIBOSH ON HIS CAREER AFTER 8 GAMES. WHO'S LAUGHING NOW GAYNIACS?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 https://twitter.com/nflnetwork/status/528922856592519168 I dont understand how to read twitter. Its like hieroglyphics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I dont understand how to read twitter. Its like hieroglyphics. It says the Texans think Clowney is dogging it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 It says the Texans think Clowney is dogging it. which he probably is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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