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Dee Ford turns like the Titanic. His shuttle time reads like he fell down twice.

 

Have to wonder if he did fall down twice. Also, we're comparing what he ran at his Pro day vs/ most others running at the Combine.  To be fair, and more importantly his 3 cone is in line with Mack's, he ran a 4.54 40, 10.4 broad jumped, 36 vert and 29 reps on bench, overall had a great workout. 

 

First team All SEC 8.5 sacks and 11.5 TFL. Came on the scene a late, not much of a force against the run but there's no denying he has the fastest first step in the draft. 

 

He really is very similar to Bruce Irvin whom we know Rex and Co. wanted. 

 

I'm not a huge Dee Ford fan but I'd keep him in the mix of possibilities especially if they look at edge rusher early. 

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Being one of three guys (one of the other two is Deion) to carry a Y/A under .9 for a whole season is one flashy stat. Dennard actually looks way better on paper than he does in real life.

 

Sorry, I meant combine paper/metrics...4.51, 4.41S, 7.073C, 15R

 

Not bad but not eye popping (although I just noticed his Broad is pretty sick). Overall other top CB have better numbers. Dennard was, what, a 2 or 3 star coming out of HS. Blue collar, tough smart football player etc etc, stuff. But not an elite athlete. 

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Dont be surprised if the actual pick is Calvin Pryor. We brought him in for a workout. We lost Ed Reed from last year and the only reason Ed Reed was ever a Jet was because Rex wanted to upgrade the safety spot. Not because he has a man crush on Ed. I think Jets go Dennard or Calvin/Dix with the first pick. Jets haven't had a solid safety play for more than 16 games since, lets face it, Kerry Rhodes.

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As much as I would prefer Lee in this case I will go with Martin.  We have 2 real OL - both long in the tooth, one maybe, one developing and a practice squad scrub.

 

Lets see...two real OL would be Brick n Mangold. The one maybe would be Colon. One developing would be Giacomini (since he's obviously not a practice squad scrub)? Well, he's not really developing anymore. And the practice squad scrub u talk of is actually a very high 3 round (72nd overall) pick with 12 starts already under his belt and has progressed just like a 3rd rounder, not a practice squad scrub. So the question is, what makes u think he is a practice squad scrub?

 

I, however, agree we need a longer term fix at the RT/RG spot (Giacomini is not seeing the 4th yr of his contact at $5+mil at age 32). If we don't pick either of TE or WR in the first two rounds, we are going a CB/FS and OG. The most obvious answer would be WR and a TE or CB though.

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Dont be surprised if the actual pick is Calvin Pryor. We brought him in for a workout. We lost Ed Reed from last year and the only reason Ed Reed was ever a Jet was because Rex wanted to upgrade the safety spot. Not because he has a man crush on Ed. I think Jets go Dennard or Calvin/Dix with the first pick. Jets haven't had a solid safety play for more than 16 games since, lets face it, Kerry Rhodes.

 

Where do you get that from?  If Rex was so hopped up to upgrade at safety don't you think they could have done it during the offseason?  They hardly had anyone in.  Rex seems to like guys he can trust (read vets, old Ravens) over athletic talent.  Hopefully that is why Bush has taken so long to break in and Rex has not fully bought into Allen or Jarrett who seem okay-ish with upside.  

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Where do you get that from?  If Rex was so hopped up to upgrade at safety don't you think they could have done it during the offseason?  They hardly had anyone in.  Rex seems to like guys he can trust (read vets, old Ravens) over athletic talent.  Hopefully that is why Bush has taken so long to break in and Rex has not fully bought into Allen or Jarrett who seem okay-ish with upside.  

 

Well he doesn't seem to trust or like an old Raven vet in Ed Reed right this minute. I wonder why? Oh yeah, he's washed up and is probably done unless someone pays him vets min. Rex brought him in cuz he wanted to see if he could upgrade the safety spot for a yr or two. He was probably average, but on a steep decline. And I wonder why we brought in Pryor? Not like we could use some safety upgrade.

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Well he doesn't seem to trust or like an old Raven vet in Ed Reed right this minute. I wonder why? Oh yeah, he's washed up and is probably done unless someone pays him vets min. Rex brought him in cuz he wanted to see if he could upgrade the safety spot for a yr or two. He was probably average, but on a steep decline. And I wonder why we brought in Pryor? Not like we could use some safety upgrade.

 

We could use a safety upgrade, but Rex certainly does not seem to prioritize the position.  Especially not with draft picks.  Idzik was on the staff that picked Earl Thomas. If Rex had his way I'd bet Reed would be back. They have had a ton of guys in. I'm not sure that is any great sign they are going S @18

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"with the 18th pick in the 2014 draft, the new York jets select Derek carr, qb, fresno state"

 

this may be the most interesting jets pick in a decade.  there will be QB's there.  do they take one ?  I would prefer mettenberger but I think he is gone early 2nd

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this may be the most interesting jets pick in a decade.  there will be QB's there.  do they take one ?  I would prefer mettenberger but I think he is gone early 2nd

it depends on how  idzik feels about carr. Derek should be there at 18. idzik will think long and hard about taking him if the draft fell this way. I believe that garopolo and mettenberger will be off the board late 1st/early second. if the jets are looking at qb's, its either 1st round or 4th round or later

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it depends on how  idzik feels about carr. Derek should be there at 18. idzik will think long and hard about taking him if the draft fell this way. I believe that garopolo and mettenberger will be off the board late 1st/early second. if the jets are looking at qb's, its either 1st round or 4th round or later

 

if Teddy's there I hope they swoop. I also like Jimmy G. Carr... meh. Can't deal with pressure. 

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it depends on how  idzik feels about carr. Derek should be there at 18. idzik will think long and hard about taking him if the draft fell this way. I believe that garopolo and mettenberger will be off the board late 1st/early second. if the jets are looking at qb's, its either 1st round or 4th round or later

They have their board set up, and I'm sure they've had plenty of discussions over, what if QB X is there?

I'll be surprised if they take a QB in the first round. They just took Geno in the second last year, and he showed genuine improvement down the stretch. And they signed Vick as either a $5M insurance policy, or a $5M tryout. Just don't see them drafting another QB in the first round. The signings of Decker and CJ and Ford would seem to suggest the team recognizes that they had a weapons shortage last year, and only Decker represents any sort of long term solution. I think they'll draft players that help the QBs they have, rather than take another QB.

I do agree that the fourth round could be ripe for a QB pick, though, especially if someone they like drops.

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Being one of three guys (one of the other two is Deion) to carry a Y/A under .9 for a whole season is one flashy stat. Dennard actually looks way better on paper than he does in real life.

That's the stat I was referencing a few weeks back. Best since Revis, iirc.

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Lets see...two real OL would be Brick n Mangold. The one maybe would be Colon. One developing would be Giacomini (since he's obviously not a practice squad scrub)? Well, he's not really developing anymore. And the practice squad scrub u talk of is actually a very high 3 round (72nd overall) pick with 12 starts already under his belt and has progressed just like a 3rd rounder, not a practice squad scrub. So the question is, what makes u think he is a practice squad scrub?

 

I, however, agree we need a longer term fix at the RT/RG spot (Giacomini is not seeing the 4th yr of his contact at $5+mil at age 32). If we don't pick either of TE or WR in the first two rounds, we are going a CB/FS and OG. The most obvious answer would be WR and a TE or CB though.

 

Close.  I consider Colon the practice squad scrub - I expect plenty of feedback on that opinion.  The maybe is Giacomini and the developing one is Winters.

 

I am not a believer in drafting for need unless, let's say the best player is a G/C and your next two rated guys are a WR and a TE.   Then I could not complain if they went either WR or TE in that case because they were needs.  The team has a pretty good history drafting OL positions in later rounds.

 

My opinion is JI goes best available regardless of need.  He seems to be very process oriented to me and a believer that deviation from the plan is truly by exception.

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Cosell: Jeremiah Attaochu is a Better Prospect than Dee Ford

By Brandon Lee Gowton  @BrandonGowton on Apr 13 2014, 12:10p 52

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The Philadelphia Eagles entered this offseason with the need to add a pass rusher. NFL free agency didn't provide any solutions to that problem. The market was weak and there weren't many quality options available. The 2014NFL draft potentially poses the same problem. It's very possible the draft's top three pass rushing prospects (Jadeveon Clowney, Khalil Mack, and Anthony Barr) could all be off the board by the time the Eagles pick at No. 22 overall.

All is not lost, however. There are still some quality pass rush prospects who could be available in the first two rounds. Two of the most popular names include Georgia Tech's Jeremiah Attaochu and Auburn's Dee Ford. For what it's worth, Ford is often projected to be a higher pick than Attaochu. But that's not the case for Greg Cosell of NFL Films.According to Cosell, Attaochu is the better draft prospect of the two. "I like [Attaochu], and in fact I may be in the minority, I like him as a better prospect as an outside linebacker than Dee Ford," Cosell explained.

Cosell watches a ton of film so it's not like he's just talking out of his you-know-what here. In the interest of objectivity, let's compare the two prospects by the numbers. First, the measurements. These numbers come from their individual pro day workouts since neither participated in the 2014 NFL Combine due to medical reasons.

  HEIGHT WEIGHT ARM LENGTH HAND SIZE VERTICAL BENCH PRESS 40 YARD DASH 10 YARD SPLIT BROAD JUMP 3 CONE SHUTTLE

Jeremiah Attaochu

(Age: 21)

6-3 252 33 9 7/8 37.5 N/A 4.55 1.55* N/A 7.28 4.64

Dee Ford

(Age: 23)

6-2 252 32 7/8 10 1/4 N/A 29 4.59 1.67 10'04" 7.07 4.73

*Attaochu's 10 yard split would have been the best of all DE/OLB prospect at the combine.

The measurements don't show a clear difference. Attaochu is a little longer and faster. He's also younger than Ford. Now, a look at the stats. Attaochu obviously played more often than Ford did.

  SOLO ASSIST TOTAL LOSS SACK INT PD FR FF Jeremiah Attaochu 134 62 196 43.5 31.5* 1 6 0 4 Dee Ford 60 33 93 27.5 20.5 1 3 0 3
*Attaochu became Georgia Tech's all-time leader in sacks.
 
Let's go back to the subjective and re-visit the BGN scouting reports on each player. We'll start with Attaochu:

The Eagles clearly need a pass rusher and while Attaochu isn't 6-foot-5, he has size and natural speed. A possible project or rotational player in his first season, Attaochu shouldn't lose his appeal to Philadelphia, as either Cole or
Brandon Graham
 will likely be on the roster in 2014. Billy Davis and Chip Kelly appear to be fantastic teachers, which is what Attaochu needs. If he is there in the second round, the Eagles will probably consider taking him. He may actually be available in the third round, despite the draftnik hype. He is a talent but needs some polish.

It's also worth noting the Eagles are scheduled to meet with Attaochu for a pre-draft visit. The Eagles haven't necessarily shown interest in Ford but NFL draft analyst Mike Mayock thinks he's the player whom the Eagles should target at No. 22. Ford's Eagles outlook:

Despite his monster numbers and high profile, Ford will likely be selected in the No. 20-35 range. He is an impressive player but does have obvious flaws in his game at this point. The Eagles really need a pass rushing specialist to spell Cole on third downs during this season and Ford could fit that bill. Depending on who is available with him at No. 22, the Eagles could easily bounce on Ford. It all really depends on how the board shakes for Philadelphia.

Now we leave it up to you. Which player is the better prospect (for the Eagles)?
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