ozzieny Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 BTW, he was also one of the 30 prospects to make an official visit to the Jets before the draft. They did their homework. Another solid pick at a position of need imo. Fine ok already.I get it. He talented, has potential etc etc etc. All I'm saying is, and its the general consensus among ALL draft gurus, is that he's a reach for a 3rd rounder due to his injury and missing 3/4 of his season and would have been available in the later rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 All these sources that fans use are prepared right after the combine. McDougal did not work out there, so he was not evaluated on anything, but 3 games. Teams are evaluating right up to the draft and once he was healthy, he was able to prove his pro ability. If your sources were so good, teams could save a ton of money by just plunking down 6 bucks for a draft guide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Could have and should have drafted this guy 100-150 spots later. Rex and the FO trying to show that they are smarter thany everyone else and failing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 sorry dude but I'm not gay no, but you are acting like a chick on the rag get it now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 This is similar to Demario Davis. Everyone was like, who? And he's one of the best defenders on the team. I'm willing to hang back and see how it all pans out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 This is similar to Demario Davis. Everyone was like, who? And he's one of the best defenders on the team. I'm willing to hang back and see how it all pans out. He's talented.....just no reason to take him there especially if we see him as a slot cover guy. If we loved him we could still have traded up into the late 4th and likely he's still there. Not a disaster pick...just a curious one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Yeah I been pretty good on picking many a draft pick. Doing it for a long time and don't tell me because these guys are scouts they don't get it wrong. Why don't you see a championship from the Jets all these years. I am giving my opinion and yes you may not agree with it but if you look at this player who has him going in the mid third round. Nobody! When you guts were cheering that Sanchez pick I was totally against it. I was vocal with my friends and family that he should of stood in college as well as his now super bowl coach wanted. I wonder how that went. Why didn't you say so? With your track record and the fact that you have been doing it a long time you obviously do know more than Idzik, Bradway and all those other knuckleheads. Looking forward to your opinion on the the 3 4th rounders, I hope those dolts don't screw it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Jets are placing a premium it seems on CB's who can tackle in space...dump offs to backs and slots is basically the Pats offense. Gotta eliminate YAC, which we were actually pretty good at last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 NOBODY was going to risk taking a kid with a broken shoulder blade, If that was the extent of his injury - when healed, the callous build up would all but insure he'll never break it there again. Better than new and ready to lower and do some popping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Yeah I been pretty good on picking many a draft pick. Doing it for a long time and don't tell me because these guys are scouts they don't get it wrong. Why don't you see a championship from the Jets all these years. I am giving my opinion and yes you may not agree with it but if you look at this player who has him going in the mid third round. Nobody! When you guts were cheering that Sanchez pick I was totally against it. I was vocal with my friends and family that he should of stood in college as well as his now super bowl coach wanted. I wonder how that went. And how are things in Yonkers this fine morning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzieny Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 He's talented.....just no reason to take him there especially if we see him as a slot cover guy. If we loved him we could still have traded up into the late 4th and likely he's still there. Not a disaster pick...just a curious one. easy - you'll be castigated by al the Idzik lovers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzieny Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 no, but you are acting like a chick on the rag get it now ? Now you're a behavioral therapist? I thought you were in special ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRJETS Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 I heard Mel Kiper jr says that before the injury; he was projected as an early second rounder. Three int in three game that is not bad. I saw his tape and he was tough against WR. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiFo2TbdGmU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Does Dexter turn his head around occasionally when covering the receiver? If he does bro - the expendable finger wagger just got more a load more expendable. Our first 2 of 3 picks show Wilson's stock price despite his "pro-bowl" metrics on a website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 He's talented.....just no reason to take him there especially if we see him as a slot cover guy. If we loved him we could still have traded up into the late 4th and likely he's still there. Not a disaster pick...just a curious one. They see him as a #2 CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 OK everyone this time of year thinks they are experts- lets see if the scouts that get paid know what they are doing before annointing anyone bust or great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 he's no troll he's just pissed off and so am I. Even if this kid pans out it's still a stupid pick at this juncture of the draft. NOBODY was going to risk taking a kid with a broken shoulder blade, didn't participate at the combine or have a pro day and didn't play the last 7 games of his collegiate career (and had a whole 3 int's in college (wooope de do). Wow, I find myself agreeing with you. They had options here, especially at CB. They should have taken Gaines. What I can say is that this Mcdougle kid can tackle, most noticeably in open space when running up on a receiver. He'll definitely take your legs out. It seems like Idzik/scouting dept. had a hard-on for this kid and took him a tad early. I cant hate though, if it was someone that I really liked I'd prefer to secure the pick rather than having a team who has a tendency for picking good players that drop due to injury (49er's, broncos etc). Hopefully he'll make me forget about Gaines, Though Gaines is going into a nice situation with a good front 7 along with the inclusion of Dee Ford which I think will be a stud in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 The more I read about this kid the more I like. The usual suspects' anxiety and whining is also encouraging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Now you're a behavioral therapist? I thought you were in special ed. with all the other GM's who always say it takes 3 years to evaluate a draft. if you have never heard that before, well that explains a lot, lol I don't like the pick, but I don't watch a lot of college football so I am trusting the scouts, bradway, idzik did their homework on the kid and rex can make this kid into a good player don't see the point in crying about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 for the record, the jets passed on heath miller because of an off season injury that kept him out of workouts who did they wind up with at TE that year ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Doug Jolley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Doug Jolley a HEALTHY doug jolley !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 To me, it's one of two things. How he plays on the field is kinda irrelevant. What matters is whether he was flying up other teams draft boards or not. If he was, it was fine. If he wasn't, then they basically swapped a 3rd round pick for a 6th round. I'm obviously not in a position to know which of those two things is correct, so I would have preferred Jackson or Moncrief or someone like that... someone that I didn't have to wonder that about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzieny Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 with all the other GM's who always say it takes 3 years to evaluate a draft. if you have never heard that before, well that explains a lot, lol I don't like the pick, but I don't watch a lot of college football so I am trusting the scouts, bradway, idzik did their homework on the kid and rex can make this kid into a good player don't see the point in crying about it Yea I hear you. Loud and clear. However, that 3 year window is not set in stone. And please don't mention that moron Bradway. How he is even still affiliated with the Jets is beyond me. I see this pick as a replacement for Kyle Wilson who is making big bucks and is the last year of his contract. He is a goner after this year. Idzik will continue to clean house and rid himself of many high payroll contracts like Harris and Wilson ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 I didn't like the pick. Infact I didn't even know who the kid was. But I trust Idzik, and Co did their homework on this guy. Obviously the Jets feel this is a risk/reward type of pick. I have no problem with that type of pick in the third round. With nine picks today it's hard to get upset about any one pick after the second round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Yea I hear you. Loud and clear. However, that 3 year window is not set in stone. And please don't mention that moron Bradway. How he is even still affiliated with the Jets is beyond me. I see this pick as a replacement for Kyle Wilson who is making big bucks and is the last year of his contract. He is a goner after this year. Idzik will continue to clean house and rid himself of many high payroll contracts like Harris and Wilson ASAP. yeah grabbing 2 inside corners tells you a lot about wilsons future. I was hoping for a taller CB, but oh well bradway has a good reputation on the scouting side, just wasn't a good GM. if you believe the legend he was pounding the table for russell wilson, that alone keeps him around for idzik harris is overpaid, but a solid starter. I think he gets renegotiated. we'll see if they take an ILB with speed, he may be out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 He's talented.....just no reason to take him there especially if we see him as a slot cover guy. If we loved him we could still have traded up into the late 4th and likely he's still there. Not a disaster pick...just a curious one. agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Wow, I find myself agreeing with you. They had options here, especially at CB. They should have taken Gaines. What I can say is that this Mcdougle kid can tackle, most noticeably in open space when running up on a receiver. He'll definitely take your legs out. It seems like Idzik/scouting dept. had a hard-on for this kid and took him a tad early. I cant hate though, if it was someone that I really liked I'd prefer to secure the pick rather than having a team who has a tendency for picking good players that drop due to injury (49er's, broncos etc). Hopefully he'll make me forget about Gaines, Though Gaines is going into a nice situation with a good front 7 along with the inclusion of Dee Ford which I think will be a stud in this league. Mcdougle looks like he can tackle, is fast, and can actually catch. Don't know anything about the guy otherwise besides those three or four clips though. Hope it works. I also warmed up to gaines as well so was a little bummed, but this is one i have no idea whether it's a good thing or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzieny Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Wow, I find myself agreeing with you. They had options here, especially at CB. They should have taken Gaines. What I can say is that this Mcdougle kid can tackle, most noticeably in open space when running up on a receiver. He'll definitely take your legs out. It seems like Idzik/scouting dept. had a hard-on for this kid and took him a tad early. I cant hate though, if it was someone that I really liked I'd prefer to secure the pick rather than having a team who has a tendency for picking good players that drop due to injury (49er's, broncos etc). Hopefully he'll make me forget about Gaines, Though Gaines is going into a nice situation with a good front 7 along with the inclusion of Dee Ford which I think will be a stud in this league. Villan he isn't a great tackler. In fact the knock on him is he plays bigger than he is. That's how he injured his shoulder. Gotta love his recklessness but it has backfired. He thinks he's in the mold of a Calvin Pryor and he's a smurf. I just see Stallworth making an over the shoulder catch on Rod Perry in the SB . Scouting report on him states he doesn't wrap up and wr's shed his tackles. That can be fixed. But WR's are now tall strong and bigger than ever. 5'10 just seems to short for a corner in today's NFL. He's here ...lets hope for the best. I did some researching and here are some comments from people who are familiar with this kid....... -I am a HUGE MARYLAND FAN, HE IS JOE HADEN PART 2. -Seen this kid play and I must say if he stays healthy and that is a big if Well he is not Revis but Milliner would for sure have to retract his statement as being the best CB on the J-E-T-S. -This guy was on track to be a top pick (second rounder) before the season ending injury; he put on an impressive show at the invite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 The only real good thing i can say about it is that i'd rather have a talented oft injured guy than a talentless guy with no upside. Also wtf, he had a scooter accident? Did i read that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Hey guys with the cursing and personal attacks, KNOCK IT OFF. There is no room for that here. You can disagree with him, but keep it to football. Arsis, your post was really disappointing especially. I thought you had absolutely nothing to do with the moderation on this board? Thanks for coming out of your shell with a burst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 I thought you had absolutely nothing to do with the moderation on this board? Thanks for coming out of your shell with a burst I should clarify my earlier statements... I have nothing to do with moderating former moderators lol. Really though, I do very little moderating these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 i would be a liar if i said i saw this pick coming i personally thought antone exum would have been a better pick and there is a possibility this guy could have been there when the jets drafted again in the top of the fourth, however as much research as i did into these players (and i probably did more than most) i did not watch nearly as many games or put nearly as much time into this draft as the entirety of the jets scouting department. that being said, for those of you who are upset with the pick because you went to espn or cbs and looked up their list of "top" corners, please do the world a favor and do some research on your own next year. a great example is....and i hesitate to say this....Tom Brady (you wouldn't have found him on any of those lists) this is because the experts are not always right. the experts do not spend nearly as much time as a scouting department knit picking through players to figure out who is really the best instead they go off of mostly statistics and are where a certain player had played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mytee Markjets Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 To me, it's one of two things. How he plays on the field is kinda irrelevant. What matters is whether he was flying up other teams draft boards or not. If he was, it was fine. If he wasn't, then they basically swapped a 3rd round pick for a 6th round. I'm obviously not in a position to know which of those two things is correct, so I would have preferred Jackson or Moncrief or someone like that... someone that I didn't have to wonder that about. Is it just me, or did u just say that his field play is Kinda Irrelevant???? Flying on Other teams draft boards is what matters? Wowww. I just ,blubblubllbblubbblllubbblub !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 so one minute after the pick we already know this kid is garbage and THE WORST PICK IN THE DRAFT??????? i am used to being let down by the jets also but can we at least watch the kid play football before we decide he's the worst out of hundreds of players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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