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John Idzik's draft is receiving varying grades from fans and analysts but as we all know you can't determine a draft immediately.  You need at least a 2-3 year span for it to marinade.  The Jets had 12 selections this year and made sure to use every single one of them to the chagrin of some fans and even one beat writer.  Here's what it will take for this draft to be a resounding success.

 

1) Calvin Pryor: A Big Hit

      For years if not decades we've seen safeties come and go.  Some of which have left an imprint ala the Victor Green's or finished their distinguished careers (Lott, Atwater) but we have never had that stud from day 1 come in and change the attitude of the Jets secondary.  Bryan Thomas is famous for one reason and it's not his play on the field.  The question all Jets fans have is "When will we get our Ed Reed*?" 

      Enter Calvin Pryor.  It would seem all the ingredients are in place for this young man.  He has the physical tools, which include the frame and range necessary.  He has the highlight reel, chock-full of challengers laying on their backs seeing stars after they ran into this brick wall.  He has the mentality, eating and breathing aggressive play and determination.  Will that translate to the NFL though?  That remains to be seen.

 

Success: All-pro Safety and quarterback of the secondary for years.

 

Failure: Journey man...or worse

 

2) The Trio

     I know I speak for all Jet fans if I equate our pass offense to a dumpster full of fish guts in a back alley of Chinatown.  The group of wide receivers the Jets march out on the field for years could make one feel as if they ate some of those fish remains.  Nothing flashy, nothing splashy.  It would leave any NFL fan limp.  We need that Viagra.  Something to get us juiced up for Sunday's.

     John Idzik has decided the best way to get that injection is with a full blown "wide open" competition.  Where you can have any flavor of wide out you like just none of the delicacies.  This of course has left some with a bad taste.. but dessert is not over.  This years draft was one of the deepest at WR in a long time if ever and Mr. Idzik is attempting to use that to his advantage.  There is logic to this thought process, which is a good thing to see from your general manager.  He snagged 3 receivers to try to spackle over the holes in this offense.  

     

    -Jalen Saunders, the first selection of the group, could fit that speedster stretch the field type that OC Mornhinweg seems to covet.  Desean Jackson is too lofty of an expectation.  I think Az Hakim is more comparable possibility.  The special teams he can provide could end up being his best contribution.

   

    -Shaq Evans, selected in the same round, seems like the most conventional of the group.  He has above average speed, size and hands if he can turn any of these from above average to excellent then the Jets could be looking at a bonafide wideout.  At his ceiling we could be looking at Anquan Bolden, which all of us would sign up for.

 

   -Quincy Enunwa seems to be an insurance policy.  He is a similar WR to Evans and had the production at the NCAA level to possibly evolve in the NFL.  If he intends on sticking, his Special Teams skills better stick out.

 

Success:  At least one of these three has to transform into a legit NFL starter where 800-1000 is consistent yearly production all while another is a special teams ace.  2 out of 3 ain't bad in this case.

 

Failure:  All 3 are working on their real estate license in the next years.

 

3)  Dexter McF---ingDougle

 

    Ugh...Ok I will keep this short and sweet.  This is a watermark selection for this front office.  They clearly went out on a limb and chose "our" guy.  A kid who had a decent projection going into his last season and then only played 3 games (productively I'll admit) is not whom who typically spend a 3rd rounder on.  We are in need of good to great cornerback play.  Say what you want about the front 7, Rex's defense historically rely on that secondary with emphasis on isolated CB play.

 

Success:  At the least, starting nickelback this year (making Wilson expendable) and then ascension into a nice #2 hopefully being paired with a come of age #1 in Milliner.

 

Failure:  Special teamer/ JAG

 

4) The Rest

 

   There are some real bright spots that can play themselves out with the 2014 class.  The Jets grabbed some value in a playmaking new mold tight end that could project to be a 50-60 rec/year guy.  A big tough-nosed guard that has potential to be a starter this year and some rotational defensive help that can keep some of our key guys fresh and and hopefully supplant or replace the current starters in the next few years.

 

Success:  The Jets need Amaro to be top 12 TE end that he projects out to be as well as 1 more of this group to be a starter.  It wouldn't hurt if the rest become key depth/special teams players.

 

Failure:  Idzik strikes out big and none of these guys pan out a long with Amaro turning into a long line of failed TE projects for the Jets.

 

 

Summary

 

Success: 4-5 starters with 1-2 of those starters being pro-bowl caliber.  Along with 2-3 reliable depth and special teams players. 

 

Failure:  We have a roster full of turds

 

Wild Card:  Tajh Boyd becomes a stud QB.  Which then makes everything above null and void.   

 

 *this graybeard version excluded

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First two guys are going to be starters, mcdougle has a chance to get a lot of snaps, and the rest are role players/project picks. Dozier is interesting because I don't know what position they are grooming him for. The reason why I'm not ecstatic about the draft is that they really didn't take a lot of guys with upside, especially in the 4th round where there were several raw, athletic guys available. It's solid and I see a lot of contributors. We'll have lots of competition in camp for corner and receiver roster spots, which is a good thing barring us having gotten a stud at either position through the draft. 

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4-5 starters? Damn...

 

I would say Success would be 3 starters in this group. 

 

LL

 

 

Special team, back up and developmental players (that might step up in a couple of years while contributing on ST) are vital to having a good team.  These are all areas where the Jets suffered from the draft philosophy of the former GM.

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4-5 starters? Damn...

 

I would say Success would be 3 starters in this group. 

 

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It's not far-fetched the way I see it: Pryor, Amaro, one of the 3 WR's, Dozier, then one of the other 6 guys.

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so its all-pro or nothing for pryor?

 

kind of black and white no?

 

"either the kid is a canton inductee one day or he's a failure!!!!!"

Success being best case and failure being worst case scenario as I see it.

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This draft will be a success if the players are good. It will not be a success if they are bad. 

But what about on a quantifiable level would you consider it successful?  2 players are good? All players good?  I was laying out what I thought it would take for this class to be considered a success.

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It's not far-fetched the way I see it: Pryor, Amaro, one of the 3 WR's, Dozier, then one of the other 6 guys.

Agree. That would be sweet...emphasis on one of the WR's though.

 

Speaks volumes on just how bad our incumbant receivers and secondary are in that we are hoping that a group of extremely questionable day two & three picks hold one or two guys we can consider starting.

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Summary

 

Success: 4-5 starters with 1-2 of those starters being pro-bowl caliber.  Along with 2-3 reliable depth and special teams players. 

 

Failure:  We have a roster full of turds

 

Wild Card:  Tajh Boyd becomes a stud QB.  Which then makes everything above null and void.   

 

 

great way to sum it all up... any number over 4 out of 12 would be an all time great draft. It's super hard to  predict which of the 4 will be those guys but if i had to predict 4 starters something like 

 

rd 1) Pryor

rd 2) Amero

rd 4) Dozier

rd 5) George 

 

I root for Shaq Evans to be Anquan Boldin and McDougle to be awesome but they probably swung and missed on the WR and CB. If we are being totally objective about it.  

 

having written one of these in the last few days Lag I gotta say dam dude you can write em with anyone and should do it more 

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12 picks and probably 7 or 8 WR's who could start immediately for the NYJ and they didn't take a single one.     I want to be positive but that is something I just don't get.   

 

They took punt returner Jalen Saunder over 6'3 4.42 Martavis Bryant and Bruce Ellington, both considered part of the top 8 WR in the draft.  Both were there for the Jets to take with their first two picks in the 4th round.  I'm going to say it again even thought Jets homers don't want to hear it;  Jets management knows something we don't know.

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-Quincy Enunwa seems to be an insurance policy. He is a similar WR to Evans and had the production at the NCAA level to possibly evolve in the NFL. If he intends on sticking, his Special Teams skills better stick out.

I don't feel like this was an insurance pick. This whole draft felt like a need-based draft rather than a BAP draft. Maybe their first two picks were BAP, but the rest of their picks seemed to specifically target needs. When they got to the fourth round, and still hadn't drafted any WRs, they made sure they took two.

But I really doubt they came into the draft planning to take three WRs. I think when they got to their comp picks in the sixth round and saw Enunwa was still there, they thought the value was just too much to pass up. The way they were picking, it's not of of the realm of possibility that they considered him as high as the fourth round. I won't be surprised if this guy surprises.

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I don't feel like this was an insurance pick. This whole draft felt like a need-based draft rather than a BAP draft. Maybe their first two picks were BAP, but the rest of their picks seemed to specifically target needs. When they got to the fourth round, and still hadn't drafted any WRs, they made sure they took two.

But I really doubt they came into the draft planning to take three WRs. I think when they got to their comp picks in the sixth round and saw Enunwa was still there, they thought the value was just too much to pass up. The way they were picking, it's not of of the realm of possibility that they considered him as high as the fourth round. I won't be surprised if this guy surprises.

 

I am not sure.  It certainly seems that way, but the fact that the draft was so deep at WR means it is quite possible that when they got to that point they were the highest ranked players on their board.  Going CB in the 3rd and OG in the 4th sure seems like need, but Dozier is the type of guy some teams might have very high while others don't and McDougle hardly seems like the kind of CB you draft out of need. I'd be interested to know what they really think. 

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I don't feel like this was an insurance pick. This whole draft felt like a need-based draft rather than a BAP draft. Maybe their first two picks were BAP, but the rest of their picks seemed to specifically target needs. When they got to the fourth round, and still hadn't drafted any WRs, they made sure they took two.

But I really doubt they came into the draft planning to take three WRs. I think when they got to their comp picks in the sixth round and saw Enunwa was still there, they thought the value was just too much to pass up. The way they were picking, it's not of of the realm of possibility that they considered him as high as the fourth round. I won't be surprised if this guy surprises.

I think it does look like a need-draft. It's possible that they were all best available on their list, but it's also possible - even somewhat probably - that their best available list order was at least influenced by need. They didn't have the full slate of need everywhere that they had a year ago.

And after round 2 in particular it looks like a combination of need and planning for the future. Like a LB drafted to alleviate the lack of depth in 2014, and hopefully groom into a starter for 2015 and beyond after Harris's deal is up. It's possible he was the highest guy on their board, but would he have been the highest guy on their board if we already had 2 Demario Davises and 2 Bellores locked up for 2-3 more years? We'll never know.

The first 2 WR picks seem iffy to me but I don't know crap about this draft class so I haven't commented much. They only seem iffy because they don't "seem" to be obvious starters, and with a draft so deep at the position I'm sure I have an unrealistic expectation that stud WR prospects would be available through the end of round 5. Obviously that's unrealistic, and most of these obvious-pick names will be out of the league before the end of their second season, but it makes for good banter today.

So I'm still wait & see.

The only thing I don't agree with - yet - is the supposed tragedy of taking Amaro over a WR. If Amaro is everything that some say he could be, he will effectively be a quasi-WR anyway. Looks like he was pretty productive in college no matter what his official listed position was. I doubt New Orleans wishes they passed on Graham for a "true #1 WR prospect" over 6' tall with 4.4 speed, given how productive he's been. They've taken more than a couple of WRs in their drafts in recent years and still the only true stud was the one no one saw coming (Colston, a compensatory 7th round pick, and one of the latest ones at that).

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First two guys are going to be starters, mcdougle has a chance to get a lot of snaps, and the rest are role players/project picks. Dozier is interesting because I don't know what position they are grooming him for. The reason why I'm not ecstatic about the draft is that they really didn't take a lot of guys with upside, especially in the 4th round where there were several raw, athletic guys available. It's solid and I see a lot of contributors. We'll have lots of competition in camp for corner and receiver roster spots, which is a good thing barring us having gotten a stud at either position through the draft.

Yeah, because "raw" guys have been great to this organization. Players such as Du****ingCasse n Hill have been great contributors...to bench warming.

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I would consider this draft a success if pryor and amaro continue playing in the pros as they have done in college. along with at least 3 out of the other 10 becoming starters, good role players, or good contributors in one fashion or another. and another 2 or 3 of the developemental guys showing promise. that would give the draft better than a 50% rate of success, which is what you aspire to do. if 5 guys go in the garbage bin, and 7 are contributors in one way or another, that's a good draft

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