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Jolot

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Still doesn't top Herm , going out to dinner with Dungy the night before the chiefs-colts playoff game and telling him I'm going to run Larry Johnson at you 35 times...and then doing just that.

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Jettington

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Was Pettine insinuating the Nick Saban gave Bill Belichick the Jets playbook? According to NYDN reporter Armstrong, Saban denied ever giving it to anyone and said he wouldn't. Saban doesn't seem like the guy who would pull a move like that, he has his own success, even if he was pressured to do so I doubt it would have any affect on him.

 

I want to know what the facts are here, people are just assuming what Pettine said was correct, why are we assuming this? Saban denied it and according to Armstrong's twitter, the playbook is still on Saban's desk in Alabama.

 

What's to stop any player from making photo copies of playbooks then giving them to opposing team when they get released? Any Jets defensive player or coach could have made copies of the plays and given them to Belichick at some point.

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Still doesn't top Herm , going out to dinner with Dungy the night before the chiefs-colts playoff game and telling him I'm going to run Larry Johnson at you 35 times...and then doing just that.

 

To be fair, Herm ran LJ 35 times at everyone.

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lol you rex haters are hilarious how would having a playbook even benefit an opposing coach?

 

 

Really?  How would it?  IDK.  I fake all my knowledge of football?  I am mostly into baseball and soccer.

 

 

amazing

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1st off: Rex shouldnt have gave out the playbook but in another sense maybe he really did to see who the mole was; in any case that 2012 year was bad all the way around...

 

2nd off: This makes the Patz look even worse than before being catch cheating because now it seems they have been secretly gaining plays from teams from other coaches

 

3rd off: Rex is so awesome to not only defend the Jets but also to tell Pettine to SHUT UP & that theres no true gain to stiring the NFL pot! Pettine seems like by doing this he's being big headed and all up on his new coaching job forgetting what Rex taught him.. Dont you know not to bite the hand that feeds you!

 

::GoJets:

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remember spygate ?  the issue wasn't taping hand signals, it was taping them for use that same day

 

it's ok in the NFL to tape hand signals, even to this day, as long as it isn't for that days game

 

so to think a playbook is some revelation of information nobody else has is just getting outraged for the sake of it

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Quite a few Jet fans are great at what you just did. Which is why its tough to hold a convo with us.

I think that has more to do with how we overreact to, and jump to ridiculous conclusions over every little thing we read or hear.

You know, like insinuating that Rex gives away gameplans for the hell of it, based on a quote from an article that makes no such claim.

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SickJetFan

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curious how this nonFootBall story comes out when minicamp over, draft over, FA over, nothin......for a while

 

Nice way to drum up them rivelry juices jersey sales for a long stretch here w/o football huh

 

wonder if Rex, BB, and MP and some NFL publicists are giggling about now

 

bunch of whores

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SenorGato

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Sounds like Pettine has a little Mangini in him. Maybe this is just his excuse why the Pats dropped so damn many points on them when he called the plays.  Rex seems to have a decent enough handle on them.

 

FWIW:

 

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/06/rex_ryan_calls_mike_pettines_s.html

 

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He added "(Pettine) needs to learn to be quiet. Absolutely.''

 

 

Rex still finds a way to feed the trolls lol. Love this guy. 

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Rex taking the high road:

 

http://espn.go.com/newyork/nfl/story/_/id/11107433/new-york-jets-playbook-new-england-patriots-possession-mike-pettine-says

 

 

Rex Ryan defends Bill Belichick

 

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- An irritated Rex Ryan said Thursday that every game between the New York Jets and New England Patriots has been won or lost fairly, and he refuted the idea that Alabama coach Nick Saban gave a Jets defensive playbook to Patriots coach Bill Belichick.

"I get it, because I gave a defensive playbook to Nick Saban when he came here and spent four or five days with us," Ryan said. "One thing I know for a fact: No. 1, I think it's disrespectful to New England to say, 'Oh, they did this.' I can tell you every single game we've ever had with New England has been decided on the field."

 

Ryan was responding to an MMQB.com interview with Cleveland Browns coach Mike Pettine, Ryan's defensive coordinator from 2009 to '12; Pettine said the Patriots might have a playbook through Saban.

 

"I don't understand what he's trying to gain by it, but that's up to Mike," Ryan said.

 

Ryan may have started his tenure with the Jets by saying he wasn't going to kiss Belichick's rings, but on Wednesday, after the final practice of the team's mandatory minicamp, he staunchly defended his longtime foe.

 

"To discredit somebody like Belichick, who is a real coach, studies his butt off, is ridiculous," Ryan said.

 

Saban, who is on vacation, denied the report through Jeff Purinton, one of Alabama's associate athletic directors. Saban said that he didn't send Belichick a playbook and wouldn't in any situation. He added that the playbook Ryan gave him is still in his office at Alabama, and that Ryan and Belichick are both friends of his and that he would never consider doing something like that to either coach.

 

The issue arose earlier when MMQB.com published the interview with Pettine.

 

At Wes Welker's wedding in June 2012, Patriots quarterback Tom Brady bragged to Mike Smith, another former Jets assistant, that the Patriots may have a copy of New York's playbook, according to Pettine. Smith and Welker were college roommates at Texas Tech, where Smith currently serves as co-defensive coordinator.

 

"It didn't shock me because Rex would give them out like candy anyway," Pettine told the website. "He gave one out to Saban, and I was like, 'Don't you know Saban and Bill are pretty good friends? I have a feeling it's going to end up in New England.'"

 

Ryan has always spoken highly of Saban, and has spoken on at least one occasion at a coaches' clinic at Alabama. But Saban and Belichick are extremely tight; Saban was Belichick's defensive coordinator with the Browns from 1991 to '94.

 

What would possess Pettine to reveal such sensitive information? In the MMQB.com profile, he explains why he prefers not to have a thick playbook, saying he doesn't like to include "graduate-level information" because of the possibility it could end up in enemy hands.

 

"We know in places like New England, it's only a matter of time that they somehow mysteriously end up with our playbook," Pettine said.

 

Jets defensive coordinator Dennis Thurman said he had never heard of a playbook falling to an opponent, and wasn't sure it would necessarily help win a game.

 

"You got to know what you're looking at," Thurman said. "You have to decode it, but I don't think so."

 

When Belichick was asked about the story Thursday, he replied, "Talk to Mike Pettine. I don't know."

 

Ryan was clearly not happy that he had to spend the better part of his last news conference of the offseason responding to what a former coach of his said. How is his relationship with Pettine at the moment?

 

"It's in a bad spot right now," Ryan said and laughed. "Like, 'Really dude, seriously?' "

 

Ryan went on to say he was proud of Pettine for rising to a head-coaching job, in the big picture. In the short term, however, the assertion that there is some kind of gamesmanship on Belichick's part raises the specter of Spygate, when the Patriots taped Jets practice in 2007.

 

"I think it's disappointing because it sends a message that, 'Oh, here it goes again,'" Ryan said.

 

Ryan said the playbook wouldn't help much anyway since it changes every single game. The way to prepare against an opponent isn't with an old playbook but through film study, according to the coach.

 

The Jets have won four of the 11 games against the Patriots since Ryan started coaching New York in 2009, including a playoff win in New England. The Jets have been blocked from the AFC East title by the Patriots in the Ryan era, and the two times the team made the postseason, it was with the wild card in 2009 and '10.

 

Still, Ryan wouldn't hear that the Patriots had an unfair advantage for any of their wins.

 

"The times they beat us, they've outperformed us," Ryan said.

 

Jets former special teams coach Mike Westhoff worked with Pettine under Ryan and said the story didn't mean much, but Pettine's betrayal of his former head coach did. Westhoff spoke to Michael Kay on ESPN 98.7 FM.

 

"First of all I'm very disappointed in Mike Pettine for his phraseology," Westhoff said. "Rex doesn't give out a notebook like it's candy c'mon Mike. Take care of things in Cleveland leave us alone."

 

"You make people angry with off the cuff stupid statements. I just think that's not necessary."

 

Westhoff said he spoke to Ryan on Thursday and that the coach was bothered by what Pettine said. Ryan brought Pettine to the Ravens staff when he was a high school coach so that he could log video for the team. It's the NFL equivalent of being discovered on YouTube like Justin Bieber.

 

"He was upset with the fact that Mike was so casual in talking about how Rex would give it out like candy," Westhoff said. "That did bother him. I think he felt like he had a good relationship with Mike he was very helpful to Mike in his career.

 

"Mike's a head coach right now. Had he not been a defensive coordinator with Rex would that have happened? Probably not. He probably wouldn't have got that job and he probably wouldn't have jumped from high school to the Cleveland Browns."

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Was Pettine insinuating the Nick Saban gave Bill Belichick the Jets playbook? According to NYDN reporter Armstrong, Saban denied ever giving it to anyone and said he wouldn't. Saban doesn't seem like the guy who would pull a move like that, he has his own success, even if he was pressured to do so I doubt it would have any affect on him.

I want to know what the facts are here, people are just assuming what Pettine said was correct, why are we assuming this? Saban denied it and according to Armstrong's twitter, the playbook is still on Saban's desk in Alabama.

What's to stop any player from making photo copies of playbooks then giving them to opposing team when they get released? Any Jets defensive player or coach could have made copies of the plays and given them to Belichick at some point.

And if you can't trust Nick Saban, who can you trust?

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And if you can't trust Nick Saban, who can you trust?

So should we just assume Saban gave the playbook to Belichick? Why, because it seemed like Pettine suggested it? Saban claims to still have it, he can easily prove not giving it to Belichick.

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In the article:

 

 

Rex still finds a way to feed the trolls lol. Love this guy. 

 

 

 

Rex Ryan calls Mike Pettine's suggestion that Patriots had Jets playbook 'disrespectful' and 'ridiculous'

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Mike Pettine's mentor Rex Ryan called Pettine's suggestion that the Patriots may have obtained copies of the Jets' playbook "disrespectful'' and "ridiculous.''

In an interview with Greg Bedard of themmqb.com, Pettine, the Jets' defensive coordinator under Ryan from 2009-12, suggested that the Patriots somehow ended up with copies of the Jets defensive playbook.

 

Pettine also theorized that they may have gotten it from Belichick's close friend Nick Saban, the Browns defensive coordinator under Belichick from 1991-94 and currently Alabama's head coach.

 

"One thing I know for a fact, No. 1, it's disrespectful to New England," Ryan said after minicamp Thursday, via Kimberly Martin of Newsday.

 

Ryan, Pettine's mentor from their years together in Baltimore and New York, called the accusation "ridiculous" several times and then added, "Everyone needs to talk to Mike Pettine because he's got all the answers. ... I don't understand what he's trying to gain by it."

 

He added "(Pettine) needs to learn to be quiet. Absolutely.'' He also said he was "ticked off'' by the accusation that the Patriots had an unfair advantage.

 

Belichick seemed equally perturbed when asked after practice Thursday if the Patriots have ever possessed a Jets playbook.

 

"Go talk to Mike Pettine,'' Belichick told reporters. "I don't know."

 

An Alabama spokesman told cleveland.com that the playbook Ryan gave to Saban is in his office. He said didn't send a playbook to anyone and wouldn't do so under any circumstance.

Ryan spoke at one of Alabama's coaching clinics a few years back and he and Saban are friends.

 

Pettine's insinuation was tucked into an explanation of why he keeps his playbook nice and slender.

 

"I don't put a lot of graduate-level information in it," he said. "We know in places like New England, it's only a matter of time that they somehow mysteriously end up with our playbook."

Pettine told the story of how Tom Brady bragged to Jets outside linebackers coach Mike Smith at Wes Welker's wedding that the Patriots may have had copies of some of the Jets' defensive playbooks. Smith and Welker were college roommates as Texas Tech.

 

"It didn't shock me because Rex would give them out like candy anyway," Pettine says. "He gave one out to Saban and I was like, 'Don't you know Saban and Bill are pretty good friends? I have a feeling it's going to end up in New England.' "

 

Of course, after Spygate and all, Belichick doesn't take too kindly to suggestions of subterfuge.

 

 

I had to post the whole article, Gato. I think more people will read it, and frankly it's a funny read.

 

Rex and Beli seem to be giving Pettine the "he broke the code" treatment. It's starting to look like the dude has ostracized himself by talking too much. 

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I had to post the whole article, Gato. I think more people will read it, and frankly it's a funny read.

 

Rex and Beli seem to be giving Pettine the "he broke the code" treatment. It's starting to look like the dude has ostracized himself by talking too much. 

 

Yeah, it's really saying something when Rex of all people is telling you to "learn to be quiet".

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#27TheDominator

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I think that has more to do with how we overreact to, and jump to ridiculous conclusions over every little thing we read or hear.

You know, like insinuating that Rex gives away gameplans for the hell of it, based on a quote from an article that makes no such claim.

 

Doesn't Pettine say EXACTLY that? 

 

 

"It didn't shock me because Rex would give them out like candy anyway," Pettine says.

 

 

So should we just assume Saban gave the playbook to Belichick? Why, because it seemed like Pettine suggested it? Saban claims to still have it, he can easily prove not giving it to Belichick.

 

There are things called copy machines and scanners.  

 

I had to post the whole article, Gato. I think more people will read it, and frankly it's a funny read.

 

Rex and Beli seem to be giving Pettine the "he broke the code" treatment. It's starting to look like the dude has ostracized himself by talking too much. 

 

Yeah, I tried to post it yesterday, but kept getting a "you can't post that extension" error message or something.  I don't think it was from ESPN though. 

 

This should tell you everything you need to know about Pettine. LOL

 

Yeah, that is pretty rough coming from your mentor.  Friggin guy was a HS coach and owes Rex a great deal.

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