T0mShane Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 Yeah, that will help. They refer to me here as a "Transition Caucasian." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 And **** you, you live in Jacksonville. It's not being gentrified, it's being returned to the sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I'll buy the part about me, but complimenting Klacko was way over the top One of the only times Shame has made a coherent point on these boards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I hope Smith read this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clementi49 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 In typical Jets and Geno Smith fasion I'm sure neither will comment on any of this. Polls like this mean absolutely nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 it's an improvement. the next step is to open up the reps and whoever the best QB plays. Why is that so hard? If it's Tajh Boyd then he plays. Why does QB have to be given out like the King of England giving out titles? Because it reflects on the GM? A football team is should be competition, at every position, the best player should play. especially QB. This sounds like a rant b/c i personally have played on a football team where the QB job was given away for political reasons and i never got over it. Probably never will. We sucked. It's a shameful thing to see a rigged competition at the most important position. Fun fact our offense was based around the toss play. The Toss. Pull two guards and friggin toss. Fake Toss Pass was about as exciting as it got. Worst. Coach. Ever. To be honest, I don't think Geno is just going to be handed the job. He'll get plenty of opportunities to win it, and if he and Vick are neck-and-neck by the end of preseason, he will be given the job. But I do believe if Vick clearly outperforms him, Vick will be the starter. I believe you've said before that you think Vick could have a '98 Testaverde-like career resurrection here. I could see that. With the running backs we have, and the speed we've added at receiver, I think Vick can do well on this team. But right now, they need to see if Geno can be the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I think it's unfair to put Geno down that strongly. He was a rookie last year who I don't think the coaching staff had any intention of being the week 1 starter. I think the plan was to let him watch from the sidelines for at least half the season and ease him into the role at some point after that. Instead, he was thrown into the role immediately and he had amongst the very worst weapons in the NFL. He definitely went through some very ugly stretches but I also think he had some very positive moments too. I'm definitely not saying I'm convinced he'll be a good QB. I'm just saying it's way too early to judge that he can't be. This year at least he has some NFL experience and will have some legitimate weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Joe Namath so freaking nailed it. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I believe you've said before that you think Vick could have a '98 Testaverde-like career resurrection here. I could see that. With the running backs we have, and the speed we've added at receiver, I think Vick can do well on this team. Mike Vick is something like the 4th highest paid NY Jets player right now. I find it really hard to believe this uber-cheap Idzik team is going to pay vick 5 mil to hold a clipboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 vick would slot in around 15-20 and would be a massive improvement over geno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 vick would slot in around 15-20 and would be a massive improvement over geno Vick would solidly be in the bottom third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Vick would solidly be in the bottom third. doesn't matter 31 is better than 32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 doesn't matter 31 is better than 32 Not in this case. There is still some element of the unknown with Geno. We know Vick sucks and is not the long term solution at QB for us. There still is a tiny hope Smith can be. Based on that alone, Geno starts the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Not in this case. There is still some element of the unknown with Geno. We know Vick sucks and is not the long term solution at QB for us. There still is a tiny hope Smith can be. Based on that alone, Geno starts the season. im already convinced geno sucks and the light will never go on, so you can understand why i want vick to start. but i will concede we don't yet know just how badly geno will suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 im already convinced geno sucks and the light will never go on, so you can understand why i want vick to start. but i will concede we don't yet know just how badly geno will suck Geno was better in his last four games last year than Vick has played in the last two years. Based on that alone I want no part of Michael Vick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Geno was better in his last four games last year than Vick has played in the last two years. Based on that alone I want no part of Michael Vick. well i don't think you'll see vick, not at the beginning of the season anyway. although i believe vick will outplay geno in preseason, i do think the jets will roll with geno anyway. after game 5 or 6 after geno is stinking up the joint, the pressure will finally be so great that rex will have to put vick in. the jets will go on a run with vick only to miss the playoffs on a heartbreaking week 17 tie-breaker, leaving us all to wonder "what if" the jets had played the better guy from week one. basically, just predict the most painful thing possible for us jets fans and there is a damn good chance that you'll be right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I think it's unfair to put Geno down that strongly. He was a rookie last year who I don't think the coaching staff had any intention of being the week 1 starter. I think the plan was to let him watch from the sidelines for at least half the season and ease him into the role at some point after that. Instead, he was thrown into the role immediately and he had amongst the very worst weapons in the NFL. He definitely went through some very ugly stretches but I also think he had some very positive moments too. I'm definitely not saying I'm convinced he'll be a good QB. I'm just saying it's way too early to judge that he can't be. This year at least he has some NFL experience and will have some legitimate weapons. This is where I'm at. I'm far from sold on the kid, I'm just not sold on him being the worst in the NFL, either. Mike Vick is something like the 4th highest paid NY Jets player right now. I find it really hard to believe this uber-cheap Idzik team is going to pay vick 5 mil to hold a clipboard. And yet, all indications (outside of your cheap-o-meter) are that that's exactly what they're going to do. vick would slot in around 15-20 and would be a massive improvement over geno That would be a QBR range of 83.9-88.8, which is higher than Vick's career mark. No guarantee that he's capable of that, at all. They're gonna bet that Geno can take that step. The way Vick went from completing 44.2% of his passes for a 62.7 passer rating as a rookie, to completing 54.9% of his passes for an 81.6 passer rating in his sophomore year. Geno's rookie season was actually a little better than Vick's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I'm obviously biased but I'm surprised how many of you are ready to write Geno off after one year. The Jets and their fans are historically big over-correctors. We gave Sanchez way too long, so we give Geno way to little time. We got tired of Herm's over the top "players coach" mentality so we went with a strick X's and O's guy that everyone hated in Mangini and when that did work, we went back to the biggest "players coach" we could find. We fired Tannenbaum who never saw a trade or a big contract he didn't like and we brought in someone who's been ultra conservative in Idzik, and now the fans complain that he didn't shell out any huge contracts to big names this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 well i don't think you'll see vick, not at the beginning of the season anyway. although i believe vick will outplay geno in preseason, i do think the jets will roll with geno anyway. after game 5 or 6 after geno is stinking up the joint, the pressure will finally be so great that rex will have to put vick in. the jets will go on a run with vick only to miss the playoffs on a heartbreaking week 17 tie-breaker, leaving us all to wonder "what if" the jets had played the better guy from week one. basically, just predict the most painful thing possible for us jets fans and there is a damn good chance that you'll be right No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 The Jets and their fans are historically big over-correctors. We gave Sanchez way too long, so we give Geno way to little time. We got tired of Herm's over the top "players coach" mentality so we went with a strick X's and O's guy that everyone hated in Mangini and when that did work, we went back to the biggest "players coach" we could find. We fired Tannenbaum who never saw a trade or a big contract he didn't like and we brought in someone who's been ultra conservative in Idzik, and now the fans complain that he didn't shell out any huge contracts to big names this offseason. This x1000000000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 The Jets and their fans are historically big over-correctors. We gave Sanchez way too long, so we give Geno way to little time. We got tired of Herm's over the top "players coach" mentality so we went with a strick X's and O's guy that everyone hated in Mangini and when that did work, we went back to the biggest "players coach" we could find. We fired Tannenbaum who never saw a trade or a big contract he didn't like and we brought in someone who's been ultra conservative in Idzik, and now the fans complain that he didn't shell out any huge contracts to big names this offseason. Even though he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 That's fine and dandy. I was speaking more in terms of camp. See, we've had a million QB competitions and nothing good has come of it. Vick doesn't need a million training camp reps, he'll be ready and we know what he's got. I'd much rather get Geno as much practice as possible, because his improvement is obviously in the best interest of the franchise. Put him on a short leash, throw Vick in if necessary, and then trade up for Mariotta if need be. Schedule is a lot more difficult, so it won't be that far if Geno fails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 The Jets and their fans are historically big over-correctors. We gave Sanchez way too long, so we give Geno way to little time. We got tired of Herm's over the top "players coach" mentality so we went with a strick X's and O's guy that everyone hated in Mangini and when that did work, we went back to the biggest "players coach" we could find. We fired Tannenbaum who never saw a trade or a big contract he didn't like and we brought in someone who's been ultra conservative in Idzik, and now the fans complain that he didn't shell out any huge contracts to big names this offseason. The pendulum of mediocrity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 See, we've had a million QB competitions and nothing good has come of it. Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 The Jets and their fans are historically big over-correctors. We gave Sanchez way too long, so we give Geno way to little time. We got tired of Herm's over the top "players coach" mentality so we went with a strick X's and O's guy that everyone hated in Mangini and when that did work, we went back to the biggest "players coach" we could find. We fired Tannenbaum who never saw a trade or a big contract he didn't like and we brought in someone who's been ultra conservative in Idzik, and now the fans complain that he didn't shell out any huge contracts to big names this offseason. Are you saying we're fickle? Sanchez got too long because of where he was drafted, his contract, and the team's success in his first two years. As a second round pick, Geno probably has just this year to prove he can be a capable starter before they go back to the well. For coaches, we went from a guy who was never a coordinator at any level, to a guy who was a one year honorary coordinator, to a guy who was -at the very least- an excellent coordinator over an extended period of time. I like that progression. GMs? Bradway to Tannenbaum was probably a lateral move, although I think Bradway got skunked even worse than Tannenbaum in the trade market. Idzik might be an over-correction. I like that he doesn't want anyone to get the better of him in a deal, but two years without a single draft day trade might demonstrate an inability to play well with others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Huh? Chad Pennington vs. whomever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Chad Pennington vs. whomever. Ok, so along with Sanchez/Geno last year (which Geno lost), about 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Ok, so along with Sanchez/Geno last year (which Geno lost), about 3. If it's 3, it's 0-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 If it's 3, it's 0-3. One of them rid us of Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Can someone name me a quarterback who showed less than Geno did last year who went on to have a decent career? I can't think of another QB so hated by the press who actually went on to do positive things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Such an utterly useless poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Vick would get hurt by week 3 vs the Bears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
use2Jet Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Im not sure how he can be ranked lower than EJ Manual. Other than that, I think it's warranted based on last year. I think he will improve to the 20 ish range this year, that is what I think he is as a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 And yet, all indications (outside of your cheap-o-meter) are that that's exactly what they're going to do. the indications are being controlled by the Jets and what they want to have happen. When we get to preseason, and they can't hide these guys, there will be a whole new set of indications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 the indications are being controlled by the Jets and what they want to have happen. When we get to preseason, and they can't hide these guys, there will be a whole new set of indications. How come what you think Idzik wants is different than what you think the Jets want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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