Gastineau Lives Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 We're not going to the Super Bowl this year. We don't have a proven QB this year. Take 8-8 and shut up until the Super Bowl run of 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted July 15, 2014 Author Share Posted July 15, 2014 They brought in two free agents and drafted three more, in addition to Kerley, Nelson, and Hill. They certainly have some talent to evaluate. Did you really like the way Tannenbaum did business better? Somewhat, but it's not as if I don't also recognize the downside to his approach. I would prefer a more balanced approach, I think we've swung way too far in the opposite direction. BTW, let's not re-write history here. Tannenbaum built a team that won 4 playoff games in 2 years, 2 of those being against Peyton Manning and Tom Brady on the road, back to back. So let's not pretend that he didn't accomplish anything when he was, in fact, one of the most successful GMs in our history. I know it has fallen out of fashion to say that, but it's true. You don't like his approach? I get it, I'm with you to some extent, but for all his weaknesses he did accomplish a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Idzik is saving cap space for Orakpo next year. Book it. Save those pennies. http://www.patspulpit.com/2014/3/7/5482370/nfl-salary-cap-could-keep-increasing-by-even-more-than-we-thought When the salary cap jumped from $123 million to $133 million last week, some suggested it could move to $140 million in 2015 and $150 million in 2016. Think higher. One source with knowledge of the process (but not the same source who was on the money — pun lame but intended — when providing info about the 2014 cap) tells PFT that the cap could spike to $145 million in 2015 and a whopping $160 million in 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Somewhat, but it's not as if I don't also recognize the downside to his approach. I would prefer a more balanced approach, I think we've swung way too far in the opposite direction. BTW, let's not re-write history here. Tannenbaum built a team that won 4 playoff games in 2 years, 2 of those being against Peyton Manning and Tom Brady on the road, back to back. So let's not pretend that he didn't accomplish anything when he was, in fact, one of the most successful GMs in our history. I know it has fallen out of fashion to say that, but it's true. You don't like his approach? I get it, I'm with you to some extent, but for all his weaknesses he did accomplish a lot. Yes, but we are living with the consequences of that method. He did put together championship caliber teams, but he did that and put them in the hands of Mark Sanchez. Going all-in and losing is not something to be celebrated. Because of his "success," we had to completely start over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Somewhat, but it's not as if I don't also recognize the downside to his approach. I would prefer a more balanced approach, I think we've swung way too far in the opposite direction. BTW, let's not re-write history here. Tannenbaum built a team that won 4 playoff games in 2 years, 2 of those being against Peyton Manning and Tom Brady on the road, back to back. So let's not pretend that he didn't accomplish anything when he was, in fact, one of the most successful GMs in our history. I know it has fallen out of fashion to say that, but it's true. You don't like his approach? I get it, I'm with you to some extent, but for all his weaknesses he did accomplish a lot. Did he? Or did he just throw a sh*tload of money around and get lucky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Did he? Or did he just throw a sh*tload of money around and get lucky? Rather be lucky than good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 don't piss on trader mike's grave! he got the weaponZZZ but forgot to buy a guy who knew how to shoot em!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Somewhat, but it's not as if I don't also recognize the downside to his approach. I would prefer a more balanced approach, I think we've swung way too far in the opposite direction. BTW, let's not re-write history here. Tannenbaum built a team that won 4 playoff games in 2 years, 2 of those being against Peyton Manning and Tom Brady on the road, back to back. So let's not pretend that he didn't accomplish anything when he was, in fact, one of the most successful GMs in our history. I know it has fallen out of fashion to say that, but it's true. You don't like his approach? I get it, I'm with you to some extent, but for all his weaknesses he did accomplish a lot. Like every executive, Tanny had his faults. At the end of the day he did trade away too many draft picks. However, I have no problem with trading some picks to acquire proven NFL talent as he did with Cro and (at the time) Holmes. It's the same way Idzik added Ivory and there's nothing wrong with it. Tanny's biggest mistake was not having somebody to replace Sanchez, which is the same exact mistake that was made by Tuna with Vinny/Mirer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
use2Jet Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Did he? Or did he just throw a sh*tload of money around and get lucky? Tanny lucky, Rex great!!! Can't make this sh !t up!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Somewhat, but it's not as if I don't also recognize the downside to his approach. I would prefer a more balanced approach, I think we've swung way too far in the opposite direction. BTW, let's not re-write history here. Tannenbaum built a team that won 4 playoff games in 2 years, 2 of those being against Peyton Manning and Tom Brady on the road, back to back. So let's not pretend that he didn't accomplish anything when he was, in fact, one of the most successful GMs in our history. I know it has fallen out of fashion to say that, but it's true. You don't like his approach? I get it, I'm with you to some extent, but for all his weaknesses he did accomplish a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Did he? Or did he just throw a sh*tload of money around and get lucky? I wouldn't call it luck. I would call it throwing a ton of money at a problem with no long term plan or thought of how to pay the bill for what he's done. Thing is, the consequences outlasted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Rather be lucky than good. There's something to be said for this. If Belichick didn't stumble over a pile of gold in the sixth round he'd be coaching high school somewhere right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
use2Jet Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Offense schmoffense! Offense is overrated! Viva la Rex defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Reverse troll gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Offense schmoffense! Offense is overrated! Viva la Rex defense Oh shut the **** up already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 lol at mehtatroll tanny withdrawl is a bitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Tanny lucky, Rex great!!! Can't make this sh !t up!!! The luckiest he got was getting Rex cause Mangini was coaching that D straight to the top 19! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Drafts: 1 TE, 3 WRs, 1 OT, 1 QB Signs: Starting RB, Starting WR, Starting Caliber QB, WR Resigns: Starting TE OFFENSE SCHMOFFENSE!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
use2Jet Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Oh shut the **** up already. Is that nice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I wouldn't call it luck. I would call it throwing a ton of money at a problem with no long term plan or thought of how to pay the bill for what he's done. Thing is, the consequences outlasted him. Yeah, but name one franchise in the free agent era that's been able to sustain success without a top tier QB. Teams always pay the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Is that nice? It wasn't meant to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
use2Jet Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 It wasn't meant to be. I thought we were pals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I'm sure Johnson is heart broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
use2Jet Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 The luckiest he got was getting Rex cause Mangini was coaching that D straight to the top 19! No doubt, he went from an up and coming GM with a 9-7 team and a ton of payroll flexibility, to 6-10 and out of the league forever in cap hell, Thanks Rex! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
use2Jet Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I'm sure Johnson is heart broken. This is true, every WR in the NFL is dying to play with Geno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Yeah, but name one franchise in the free agent era that's been able to sustain success without a top tier QB. Teams always pay the bill. Steelers and Ravens of late. Unless you're going to call Big Ben top tier, I certainly wouldn't call Flacco that though. And argument could be made that the current Seahawks have a good, but not top tier QB. Same argument could be made about the current 49ers. I wouldn't call Kaepernick top tier. And, by "sustain success," I'm not talking dynasty, I'm talking about being around longer than backing into the playoffs and playing two solid games before getting destroyed and then making the playoffs and then playing two good games before getting destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clementi49 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Could be a smoke screen. Well I would hope. Andre is my favorite WR in the league. But over paying for a 34 year old means we are semi going for it which isn't really in the gameplan honestly of getting young hungry guys cheaply. Aka Seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clementi49 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 As much as he is the punch line here. Rex is still widely respected in this league. Vick Decker CJ are proven players. It's not that unattractive to be honest as a destination. I know this will be said is wrong. But it's not as bad as people say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 No doubt, he went from an up and coming GM with a 9-7 team and a ton of payroll flexibility, to 6-10 and out of the league forever in cap hell, Thanks Rex! Sure. They were certainly up and coming! Favre, Jenkins, Thomas Jones and Faneca were right at the prime age for NFL players, right? Poised for success for years to come! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
use2Jet Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Sure. They were certainly up and coming! Favre, Jenkins, Thomas Jones and Faneca were right at the prime age for NFL players, right? Poised for success for years to come! Of course you leave out brick, mangold, Revis, Harris, Keller they all were old and stinky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Of course you leave out brick, mangold, Revis, Harris, Keller they all were old and stinky Revis is the only one of those players that is special and he wasn't under Mangini. Mangold is excellent but not exactly at an impact position. Harris and Keller are barely above average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Drafts: 1 TE, 3 WRs, 1 OT, 1 QB Signs: Starting RB, Starting WR, WR Resigns: Starting TE OFFENSE SCHMOFFENSE!!!!!!! Don't forget, they signed the top free agent QB as well. Such neglect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Revis is the only one of those players that is special and he wasn't under Mangini. Mangold is excellent but not exactly at an impact position. Harris and Keller are barely above average. Oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 as said earlier, this is spin and managing your message he wouldn't come here for 16 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Somewhere out there is an alternate universe where the Jets have Peyton Manning and Andre Johnson going into this season. I try not to think too hard about it because that would cause a paradox in the space time continuum where I wind up being one of those jizz moppers that Randall talks about in Clerks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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