#27TheDominator Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Rex is now THE reason the Jets offense stinks? It's as if we had a decent offense ever in the decade before Rex came. If it weren't for Rex, Pennington would never have hurt his shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
use2Jet Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Rex is now THE reason the Jets offense stinks? It's as if we had a decent offense ever in the decade before Rex came. This reminds me of an old saying.... If u r not a part of the solution, u r a part of da problemo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostOfGlennFoley Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Man beat Manning and Brady in Consecutive weeks and managed to beat the Saints with a starting line-up of of Nelson, Kerley, Salas, and Sudfeld. Say what you will about his clock management or his team discipline, but the man is nearly unparalleled as a strategist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Jets77 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Man beat Manning and Brady in Consecutive weeks and managed to beat the Saints with a starting line-up of of Nelson, Kerley, Salas, and Sudfeld. Say what you will about his clock management or his team discipline, but the man is nearly unparalleled as a strategist. LOL A strategist? C'mon bro your trying waaaay too hard now. And beating the Saints when their on the road is hardly a feat. Guy is fighting for his job for a reason. When hes gone he'll never get another HC gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 If it weren't for Rex, Pennington would never have hurt his shoulder. Rex is THE reasons McCariens couldn't catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 2 words when I think of Rex.... Curtis Conway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 This reminds me of an old saying.... If u r not a part of the solution, u r a part of da problemo On the other end of the spectrum, guys like Sean Payton, Mike McCarthy and John Fox are considered geniuses. Was Bill Belichick "part of the problem" for New England's pre-Brady offensive woes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 LOL A strategist? C'mon bro your trying waaaay too hard now. And beating the Saints when their on the road is hardly a feat. Guy is fighting for his job for a reason. When hes gone he'll never get another HC gig. Common refrain from the Negative Nancies, but it's baseless bullsh*t speculation. It's incredibly more likely that he'd be scooped up immediately by a team with an offense in place, but struggling defensively. Or a team seeking a defensive identity. Or a franchise looking to boost their national profile - because Rex will absolutely get your team attention. Yeah, he'll have plenty of opportunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Common refrain from the Negative Nancies, but it's baseless bullsh*t speculation. It's incredibly more likely that he'd be scooped up immediately by a team with an offense in place, but struggling defensively. Or a team seeking a defensive identity. Or a franchise looking to boost their national profile - because Rex will absolutely get your team attention. Yeah, he'll have plenty of opportunities. Actually I think a lot of his future prospects - even if he gets fired after the season - still depends on HOW bad the team finished to get him fired. If we go 8-8 again and he gets fired, he'll get another HC gig. Probably even 7-9. Or even 6-10 if it's determined that it's largely from too many injuries but (understandably) a pair of 8-8 and 6-10 records apiece will probably get you fired anyway. Even from an owner who supposedly thinks he's the cat's meow. If we go 4-12 or only win 5-6 games with a healthy roster, it's possible he won't get another shot. But the NFL loves retread coaches, and despite the negative attention he's gotten for himself at times, none of it involved booze/drug rumors or severe personality issues where just about every coach+player hates him, so you never know. His personality certainly isn't a match for every owner or GM with a HC vacancy. But IMO there aren't enough top-notch HC candidates every single year to think he wouldn't get another shot even if he gets fired here so I think he gets another shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 Exactly Sperm -as in all the major sports head coaches mainly gets recycled. Teams are afraid to go with a brand new candidate Rex would get another job eventually. That does not mean he is a very good head coach though as we all know. If we go 4-12 or only win 5-6 games with a healthy roster, it's possible he won't get another shot. But the NFL loves retread coaches, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Exactly Sperm -as in all the major sports head coaches mainly gets recycled. Teams are afraid to go with a brand new candidate Rex would get another job eventually. That does not mean he is a very good head coach though as we all know. If we go 4-12 or only win 5-6 games with a healthy roster, it's possible he won't get another shot. But the NFL loves retread coaches, Plus it could be perceived as easier to have him on a shorter leash than a new coach. Ryan has a track record, and if he seems to be repeating the bad parts of that track record (and it results in poor records) then he may get yanked faster (1-2 years) than a first-time coach that a GM still has optimism for (still learning, roster/QB was crap when he was hired, etc.). At the same time, look at Norv Turner. 7 years as HC with Washington manages 1 playoff appearance before getting fired. Then goes to Oakland and goes 5-11 then 4-12 before getting fired. Then San Diego hires him to take over a team that went 14-2 the prior year and, on paper, arguably had the NFL's strongest roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Actually I think a lot of his future prospects - even if he gets fired after the season - still depends on HOW bad the team finished to get him fired.If we go 8-8 again and he gets fired, he'll get another HC gig. Probably even 7-9. Or even 6-10 if it's determined that it's largely from too many injuries but (understandably) a pair of 8-8 and 6-10 records apiece will probably get you fired anyway. Even from an owner who supposedly thinks he's the cat's meow.If we go 4-12 or only win 5-6 games with a healthy roster, it's possible he won't get another shot. But the NFL loves retread coaches, and despite the negative attention he's gotten for himself at times, none of it involved booze/drug rumors or severe personality issues where just about every coach+player hates him, so you never know.His personality certainly isn't a match for every owner or GM with a HC vacancy. But IMO there aren't enough top-notch HC candidates every single year to think he wouldn't get another shot even if he gets fired here so I think he gets another shot. He was 8-8 last year with a terrible roster. The talent he had on the offensive side of the ball was quite possibly the worst in the league. His defenses are generally built from the CBs in (presumably because he has no clue how important passing is in today's NFL), and last year he might've had the worst pair of CBs in the league for 3/4's of the season. Still, he managed to get his team to .500 with a really bad rookie QB. The latest refrain from his staunchest opponents, after discovering that calling him the worst coach in the universe didn't work, is that he'll always have the team mired in that 6-9 win zone. That his defenses will always be good enough to keep the team from getting a high draft pick (or, they fear, getting him fired). This is meant as some sort criticism. Somehow it's a bad thing that the coach is so good at something that six wins is probably his floor. While I think it's ridiculously silly to use that against the guy, I also think it's probably true (the win floor, not the ceiling). I really don't see a Rex Ryan team going 4-12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Common refrain from the Negative Nancies, but it's baseless bullsh*t speculation. It's incredibly more likely that he'd be scooped up immediately by a team with an offense in place, but struggling defensively. Or a team seeking a defensive identity. Or a franchise looking to boost their national profile - because Rex will absolutely get your team attention. Yeah, he'll have plenty of opportunities. Jerry Jones will snap him right up. Then again, Herm wasn't even unemployed yet when he got his next job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 The latest refrain from his staunchest opponents, after discovering that calling him the worst coach in the universe didn't work, is that he'll always have the team mired in that 6-9 win zone. That his defenses will always be good enough to keep the team from getting a high draft pick (or, they fear, getting him fired). This is meant as some sort criticism. Somehow it's a bad thing that the coach is so good at something that six wins is probably his floor. While I think it's ridiculously silly to use that against the guy, I also think it's probably true (the win floor, not the ceiling). I really don't see a Rex Ryan team going 4-12. He's got six first round picks on defense. He better find a way to squeeze a six win defense out of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Common refrain from the Negative Nancies, but it's baseless bullsh*t speculation. It's incredibly more likely that he'd be scooped up immediately by a team with an offense in place, but struggling defensively. Or a team seeking a defensive identity. Or a franchise looking to boost their national profile - because Rex will absolutely get your team attention. Yeah, he'll have plenty of opportunities. And thus was baseless bullsh*t speculation defeated by a different kind of baseless bullsh*t speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 That list is kind of ridiculous because that dude has Jim Harbaugh at like number 3, ahead of his brother who actually beat him in a Super Bowl. But based on these rankings there I would put Ryan ahead of Marvin Lewis, who's never won a playoff game, Bruce Arians, Jeff Fisher and Mike Smith, another one who can't win postseason games. That puts Ryan at 12th for me. With a case that can be made for 11 as I think everyone and their mother overrates John Fox, but he's got two SB appearances with two different teams so I'll let it go for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 He's got six first round picks on defense. He better find a way to squeeze a six win defense out of that. Yeah, and the two from last year - one was the defensive rookie of the year, and the other was the defensive rookie of the month of December. Pretty sure that had nothing to do with coaching, though, because all first rounders are great. That's why all the other teams who took a defensive player in the first round had the DROY, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 And thus was baseless bullsh*t speculation defeated by a different kind of baseless bullsh*t speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Yeah, and the two from last year - one was the defensive rookie of the year, and the other was the defensive rookie of the month of December. Pretty sure that had nothing to do with coaching, though, because all first rounders are great. That's why all the other teams who took a defensive player in the first round had the DROY, too. Defensive Rookie of the Month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 And thus was baseless bullsh*t speculation defeated by a different kind of baseless bullsh*t speculation. As others have noted, my speculation is based on the fact that that the NFL loves retread head coaches, and Rex's record is plenty good enough to get himself another shot. He's far more likely to get another HC gig than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Defensive Rookie of the Month. I'm pretty excited about Milliner. He struggled mightily for 3/4's of the season and came on very strong at the end of the year. It's not easy to play CB in Rex's defense, but Rex got all tough on him (the way you require your head coaches to be) with benchings, and the kid responded extremely positively. That award was quite the acheivement when you consider where he was at the start of the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 As others have noted, my speculation is based on the fact that that the NFL loves retread head coaches, and Rex's record is plenty good enough to get himself another shot. He's far more likely to get another HC gig than not. Jim Caldwell got another job. Rex won't even be done packing up his pretzel M&Ms before he gets an offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I'm pretty excited about Milliner. He struggled mightily for 3/4's of the season and came on very strong at the end of the year. It's not easy to play CB in Rex's defense, but Rex got all tough on him (the way you require your head coaches to be) with benchings, and the kid responded extremely positively. That award was quite the acheivement when you consider where he was at the start of the month. I like Milliner and, as Jets fans, we need to pray that he's the goods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 As others have noted, my speculation is based on the fact that that the NFL loves retread head coaches, and Rex's record is plenty good enough to get himself another shot. He's far more likely to get another HC gig than not. I guess I'd counter by reminding you and the "others" that Rex was passed over by the team that knew him best (and which has a better record than most at evaluating talent), or that most NFL owners are boring old scolds who won't cotton to a toe-sucking loudmouth being the public face of their franchise. Then I guess I'd suggest that my unsupported argument of words words words was unassailably objective and that your unsupported argument of words words words was "baseless bullsh*t speculation." Then I'd sit back and pop the bubbly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I guess I'd counter by reminding you and the "others" that Rex was passed over by the team that knew him best (and which has a better record than most at evaluating talent), or that most NFL owners are boring old scolds who won't cotton to a toe-sucking loudmouth being the public face of their franchise. Then I guess I'd suggest that my unsupported argument of words words words was unassailably objective and that your unsupported argument of words words words was "baseless bullsh*t speculation." Then I'd sit back and pop the bubbly. Before he was hired by the Jets, he wasn't a former head coach with a number of playoff wins under his belt - the kind of guy who typically lands another head coaching job in the NFL. I guess we'll eventually find out, unless we get really lucky and Rex is named head coach for life here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I guess we'll eventually find out, unless we get really lucky and Rex is named head coach for life here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 In the immortal words of the above highly-paid ESPN expert after the Doug Brien game, it's better to kick a FG on 3rd down so if you miss it or fumble the snap you can simply kick it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I see the Rex debate is evolving just splendidly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Jerry Jones will snap him right up. Then again, Herm wasn't even unemployed yet when he got his next job. The fact that the Jets got a 4th round pick for that dipsh*t still has to be one of the most hysterically ridiculous things imaginable. That alone makes it difficult for any Jets' fans to have too much hate for Bradway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 The fact that the Jets got a 4th round pick for that dipsh*t still has to be one of the most hysterically ridiculous things imaginable. That alone makes it difficult for any Jets' fans to have too much hate for Bradway. D'Rob, McCariens, Jolly, Nugent - off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 D'Rob, McCariens, Jolly, Nugent - off the top of my head. I did emphasize too much, did I not? I certainly never said none. After all, he's still the one (along with Tanny) who gave Penny that ridiculous freakin' contract of his, so obviously I don't have too much love for the guy either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 The fact that the Jets got a 4th round pick for that dipsh*t still has to be one of the most hysterically ridiculous things imaginable. That alone makes it difficult for any Jets' fans to have too much hate for Bradway. The previous price for tampering with another team's HC was a whole lot higher than a mid-4th round pick. We got the better end of the deal (Leon Washington), but Bradway got fleeced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Doug Jolley was a beast in Madden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 The previous price for tampering with another team's HC was a whole lot higher than a mid-4th round pick. We got the better end of the deal (Leon Washington), but Bradway got fleeced. Was there any precedent for tampering with a sh*tty coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenoandtheJets Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Rex Ryan is #16 as a head coach overall in NFL which is just the right ranking to be because he hasn't done anything the past 3 seasons. Rex Ryan as a defensive genius is probably top 10 in the NFL because the Jets defense linebackers always excel in his defensive system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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