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Outside linebacker concerns?-- Jets bring in Quentin Groves for a looksie


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#1 Greenseed4

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 11:47 AM

 

Free agent OLB Quentin Groves worked out for the Jets on Monday.

Groves was cut by the Browns last month and has also had workouts with the Patriots, Redskins, and Titans since. The Jets are banking on soon-to-be 34-year-old Calvin Pace and boom-bust Quinton Coples to man their starting edge rusher spots. They also seriously lack depth. Groves would by no means start,
but he'd be a top reserve and contribute on special teams for Gang Green.

 

I guess depth couldn't hurt. 

 

But what does this say about the current state of the roster? Unlike most Jets fans, I actually don't mind Garrett McIntyre.  He is a solid player.  He gets production (albeit in unspectacular fashion) but he isn't a liability, and he handles his business.

  

I like Pace and don't worry as much about his age as others, but perhaps I should.  The fact that his biggest knock isn't what he's doing wrong, but how much longer he can continue doing right is a good problem to have.

 

However, if both McIntyre and Pace were to be on the field at the same time for 16 games I could see how we could have problems.  They both play the study, hold-the-fort role, and provide little spark in the pass rush.  At least, not the exciting Demarcus-Ware/Von Miller type of pass rush we all drool over.  Theirs is more of the mop-up variety.  

 

That's where Antwan Barnes comes in, but he's only played 16 games once in his 8 years of playing.  If Coples could turn into a pass rushing freak we would all go bananas, but I see him more as a jacked up hold-the-fort type of guy, a younger Pace if you will.  Not a bad thing, just not the spark most fans expect from a player of his draft status.  

 

We've got the Fuggers, and Cunningham,Troy Davis and new draft picks IK-E and Trevor Reilly.  Seems interesting on the eve of training camp to bringing in a throw around like Quentin Groves.

 

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#2 Villain The Foe

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 12:28 PM

Who the hell is Quentin Groves? 


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 12:35 PM

Checking in on guys that are on the street does not necessarily mean anything.  They are kicking the tires. Groves is an older guy and was hurt last year.  It is good to know what is out there.  The Browns have Mingo, Kruger and Sheard. He is probably a potential guy to fit in the Barnes, McIntyre vet slot. 

 

Who the hell is Quentin Groves? 

 

Watch the tape.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 01:00 PM

Who the hell is Quentin Groves? 

 

He was a sack specialist at Auburn on all the major watch lists (Chuck Bednarik, Bronko Nagurski Award, Ted Hendricks Award) and was drafted in the 2nd round (52 overall) by the Jaguars in 2008.  

 

He hasn't amounted to much in the league. He's the guy who played DE in college but projected to OLB in the pros, and never quite found his fit. The size is there, and the speed is right.  But he hasn't taken the league by storm just yet.  Just like all of the other college DEs who haven't yet translated to OLB in the pros.     


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 01:06 PM

He was a sack specialist at Auburn on all the major watch lists (Chuck Bednarik, Bronko Nagurski Award, Ted Hendricks Award) and was drafted in the 2nd round (52 overall) by the Jaguars in 2008.  

 

He hasn't amounted to much in the league. He's that guy who plays DE in college and projects to OLB in the pros, but never quite finds his fit but has the size and the speed to do something, maybe.    

 

As opposed to Quentin Moses who was a sack specialist at Georgia and is one of the guys all the workout warrior haters wanted.  Production is all that matters!  40 times are irrelevant! He was a bust even by Gholston standards, though only the first pick in the 3rd round.  The reason?  He was a speed rusher that ran 4.82. I always got Groves mixed up with him. 


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 01:08 PM

As opposed to Quentin Moses who was a sack specialist at Georgia and is one of the guys all the workout warrior haters wanted.  Production is all that matters!  40 times are irrelevant! He was a bust even by Gholston standards, though only the first pick in the 3rd round.  The reason?  He was a speed rusher that ran 4.82. I always got Groves mixed up with him. 

Wasn't Moses touted as a potential top 10 pick at the start of his senior year? Or that he might have been had he come out the prior year, or something like that?

 

Or am I thinking of someone else?


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 01:38 PM

Wasn't Moses touted as a potential top 10 pick at the start of his senior year? Or that he might have been had he come out the prior year, or something like that?

 

Or am I thinking of someone else?

 

Yeah Moses had double digit sacks as a junior and he was all the rage.  I saw him listed as THE top prospect going into his senior season. He did nothing as a senior and "it was because he was constantly double-teamed."  Then he ran and I figured that was it.  People were still making excuses - the Clowney excuse, that he took the year off so he wouldn't get hurt, the Coples excuse that he was a little lazy, but had all the raw potential.  He was the first pick in the 3rd round and he didn't even make it out of camp.  With the Raiders!


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 01:55 PM

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 02:12 PM

Barnes a possible cut victim due to his injury?


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 03:04 PM

Barnes a possible cut victim due to his injury?


He's been out a long time with that injury, got hurt very early last season. We have so many in camp it's going to be a cut fest.
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Posted 22 July 2014 - 06:44 PM

Checking in on guys that are on the street does not necessarily mean anything.  They are kicking the tires. Groves is an older guy and was hurt last year.  It is good to know what is out there.  The Browns have Mingo, Kruger and Sheard. He is probably a potential guy to fit in the Barnes, McIntyre vet slot. 

 

 

Watch the tape.

 

this is what came when I put in Quentin Groves highlights.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 07:35 PM

The more I look at our linebackers the more I think of an old TV with rabbit ears on it.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 07:43 PM

did they sign him or work him out ?


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 07:55 PM

i hope that kid we got in the 7th rnd  becomes good he had a high grade and I think  with time he is going to be good


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 10:07 PM

this is what came when I put in Quentin Groves highlights.

 

Circus!

 

I can't believe they went to the trouble of computer generating Quentin Groves talking to a prostitute on a cell phone. 


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 07:42 AM

The more I look at our linebackers the more I think of an old TV with rabbit ears on it.

 

lol

 

All I can say is this guy's been on 4 pretty awful teams in 6 years:

Jacksonville 2008-2009

Oakland 2010-2011

Arizona 2012

Cleveland 2013

 

Yeesh.  No wonder the guy was visiting hookers.  After seeing others paying and screwing him...

 

Another way of looking at it is that over the past 6 years these are the types of teams interested in Quentin Groves. 

 

Camp fodder.


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 08:48 AM

Have always liked this player from Auburn days - he would make plays without much help (this was a couple years before the Cam Newton phenomenon and the team Groves played on was not loaded at all).

 

in general the fans might be too excited for these late round picks. 12 guys someone's gonna get cut or end up on the psqad. In other words if IK or Trevor can't beat out Quentin Groves or Jermaine Cunningham, then they don't deserve a roster spot. 


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