BroadwayJoe12 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 You know what? You guys are right. With no sarcasm here, I've been beating on these Jets too much. I hate the coach and want him gone and it's infected my entire thought process. As a concession, I'm gonna take a break from the ol' JN so I don't squash these feeble attempts at optimism that are springing up from the misguided and contrarian set. I shall return at some point, though. Oh, I shall return. A half-assed T0m is better than no T0m. But hey, if a week off is what takes to recharge the ol' batteries and bring back the "man" that gave us by all means, rest up big guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSJets Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 You know what? You guys are right. With no sarcasm here, I've been beating on these Jets too much. I hate the coach and want him gone and it's infected my entire thought process. As a concession, I'm gonna take a break from the ol' JN so I don't squash these feeble attempts at optimism that are springing up from the misguided and contrarian set. I shall return at some point, though. Oh, I shall return. Fair enough...see you in February Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 You know what? You guys are right. With no sarcasm here, I've been beating on these Jets too much. I hate the coach and want him gone and it's infected my entire thought process. As a concession, I'm gonna take a break from the ol' JN so I don't squash these feeble attempts at optimism that are springing up from the misguided and contrarian set. I shall return at some point, though. Oh, I shall return. Oh no! You're not getting off that easy! You get back here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 The soft label has been surfacing which scares me. Jace running up a bar tab on a stolen credit card was enough to make me think this kid isn't what he needs to be between the ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roscoeword Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 good post. It made me realize that maybe Sanchez never got better because there was never a viable back-up for him. At first I didn't buy it, since I knew Sanchez was not slouching - but perhaps psychologically, without realizing it, you work harder when you are competing for the position, and Sanchez was never competing with anyone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Jace running up a bar tab on a stolen credit card was enough to make me think this kid isn't what he needs to be between the ears. He's had a few borderline "huh?" quotes so far this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I really chased T0m off? So, this is what happens when you have competition... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 and zach is pushing amaro that's a good thing Bugg is pushing Tom Shane. Some say Shane is on the bubble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 good post. It made me realize that maybe Sanchez never got better because there was never a viable back-up for him. At first I didn't buy it, since I knew Sanchez was not slouching - but perhaps psychologically, without realizing it, you work harder when you are competing for the position, and Sanchez was never competing with anyone... It's hard to believe he didn't get better since apparently the prerequisite was being self-deprecating and not thinking you're the best. Such seems to be the thought of late. It's also possible that Sanchez wasn't good because he isn't good. Also note in camp this year he's going up against Philadelphia's 2nd team defense (largely, if not mostly, 7-on-7 at that: no pass rush). Philadelphia's 1st team defense was 32nd vs the pass last year and he's going up against their 2nd unit (think how bad the Jets' unit was in 2013; they were 22nd). Further, the picks he throws in certain drills (e.g. 4-on-3 red zone) don't show up in his stats, and he threw a couple in those drills yesterday alone. I get the idea, and there is some truth to it for a lot of players all over the field, but being in a real competition doesn't automatically mean he would have won any real competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 good post. It made me realize that maybe Sanchez never got better because there was never a viable back-up for him. At first I didn't buy it, since I knew Sanchez was not slouching - but perhaps psychologically, without realizing it, you work harder when you are competing for the position, and Sanchez was never competing with anyone... Doesn't matter how hard Sanchez worked, he was never going to become a better QB. He's competing for the # 2 job in Philadelphia and still looks awful. Sometimes QB's are just bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Ya mean like Sheldon Richardson? And Damon Harrison...dude was a dominant force in the league for years when Rex insisted they sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 It's also possible that Sanchez wasn't good because he isn't good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Good post. Idzik is the bestest. Rex is a glorified cheerleader. LOL Your a hack of a Tom Shane impersonator. Go back to going against the grain and calling people butthurt. I miss defending you from banishment in the mod lounge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeSpenceBlockedPunt Posted July 31, 2014 Author Share Posted July 31, 2014 Another way to look at the impact "competition" is having on player performance is to consider that in prior years we had such little depth that there were no consequences for poor on field performance. Sanchez would turn the ball over repeatedly killing our chances and it took forever to have him face the consequences. Same thing thus for for Q. It's been a consistent stream of "could be's" and excuses but he still got to go out there because there really was no one else. I think what Idzik is saying is that if you don't compete every day and perform there will now be consequences to your poor performance - sitting and watching. With that looming over players heads they play better. And with that looming over players heads the players behind the starters keep pushing to improve and be ready to be next guy up. The net result is that everyone plays better. Again...I love that there are now consequences. Play bad...sit. Play good...play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 This seems to be more of a change in organizational philosophy than necessarily having viable options at every position. They benched Geno last year for McElroy and Dee Milliner for Darrin Walls. I do not believe that the team had much confidence in those players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 It's like if you hold professionals accountable for stuff, it incentivizes them to be more careful. Crazy, yet innovative. That it took Rex only 5 seasons to come to such a revelation is most impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Does finally appear that the adults are in charge. couple more years to clean up the books but it looks like idzik is going about it the right way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 It's like if you hold professionals accountable for stuff, it incentivizes them to be more careful. Crazy, yet innovative. That it took Rex only 5 seasons to come to such a revelation is most impressive. Yeah, I'm glad Rex doesn't tell Idzik to trade away entire draft classes the way he used to tell Tannenbaum to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Yeah, I'm glad Rex doesn't tell Idzik to trade away entire draft classes the way he used to tell Tannenbaum to do it. Tannenbaum was chasing the dragon every year. Minimal picks + Rex stressing defense in the draft = the current rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Tannenbaum was chasing the dragon every year. Minimal picks + Rex stressing defense in the draft = the current rebuild. The new guy stresses defense in the draft every bit as much as the old guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Bugg is pushing Tom Shane. Some say Shane is on the bubble. It is hard to really say anything good or bad is happening until the first preseason game.What you're left with is looking at last year, and reading the entrails of the latest postive and usually over the top statements of players and the HC. The former despite the supposedly All World December is really awful, the later entirely ridiculous, And wrap your head around the fact that the hard-hitting top pick safety has already sustained a concussion. And while they're calling it minor. appears to be worse than anyone is saying. There is no timetable for Pryor's return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Yeah, I'm glad Rex doesn't tell Idzik to trade away entire draft classes the way he used to tell Tannenbaum to do it. I don't get the sarcasm. I was being serious. It only took Rex 5 years to grasp the concept of accountability. Another 5 and who knows? Maybe he goes all Copernicus on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Thats awesome to hear about Geno. Not cool about Jace. He kind of looks like a bonehead. Oh God. Visions of Johnny and Lam.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Your a hack of a Tom Shane impersonator. Go back to going against the grain and calling people butthurt. I miss defending you from banishment in the mod lounge. I was crushing Rex long before T0mshane. Don't be so butthurt about it. GFY you are dumb and stupid and idiot and I am morally superior to you, your dog and the extra bacon you probably ate on your extra bacon sandwich for lunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Thats awesome to hear about Geno. Not cool about Jace. He kind of looks like a bonehead. They don't come any dumber than Gronk, and he figured it out. Amaro will too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 The new guy stresses defense in the draft every bit as much as the old guy. Yup, but the new guy also stresses making more than 3 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I was crushing Rex long before T0mshane. Don't be so butthurt about it. GFY you are dumb and stupid and idiot and I am morally superior to you, your dog and the extra bacon you probably ate on your extra bacon sandwich for lunch. HEY!!! Don't you dare talk about bacon like that!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 It is hard to really say anything good or bad is happening until the first preseason game.What you're left with is looking at last year, and reading the entrails of the latest postive and usually over the top statements of players and the HC. The former despite the supposedly All World December is really awful, the later entirely ridiculous, And wrap your head around the fact that the hard-hitting top pick safety has already sustained a concussion. And while they're calling it minor. appears to be worse than anyone is saying. There is no timetable for Pryor's return. He's been on the field, practicing, all day today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 He's been on the field, practicing, all day today. Full contact or simply walking through?Any restrictions? If not, that's a big positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Full contact or simply walking through?Any restrictions? If not, that's a big positive. Just said on the field. Doubtful it's full contact on his first day back. That would be pretty stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 It is hard to really say anything good or bad is happening until the first preseason game.What you're left with is looking at last year, and reading the entrails of the latest postive and usually over the top statements of players and the HC. The former despite the supposedly All World December is really awful, the later entirely ridiculous, And wrap your head around the fact that the hard-hitting top pick safety has already sustained a concussion. And while they're calling it minor. appears to be worse than anyone is saying. There is no timetable for Pryor's return. Agreed Too much hype in TC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Pryor on the field with a red jersey. Still not cleared for contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Pryor on the field with a red jersey. Still not cleared for contact. The NFL has such tight restrictions when it comes to head injuries (read: please don't sue us!), that it's impossible to read anything into this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 The NFL has such tight restrictions when it comes to head injuries (read: please don't sue us!), that it's impossible to read anything into this. He was cleared for physical activity but not contact. So that's progress. Hopefully he is back in a few days. Pryar was restricted to team drills only today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Agreed Too much hype in TC. Nobody is hyping the Jets. Nobody. The best compliment I've heard is a possible Wild Card team. Players talking doesn't mean hype. It's just talk that has zero impact on anything Football related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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