CotcheryifyouCan Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 welp hopefully he comes back by week 2. wallis, paterson, wilson, patrick, and dowling need to step it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 We are in for a world of pain. We need to make a real trade. Don't know whats possible, but we have to. We can't limp into the season with zero real corners. Quality CB's are very difficult to find at this point. Teams don't cut those guys loose...anticipating we play a lot more zone this year(we must)...but not signing one of the FA's looks like it's coming back to haunt us. Not sure why we didn't address the oline either...as that's probably our weakest unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Quality CB's are very difficult to find at this point. Teams don't cut those guys loose...anticipating we play a lot more zone this year(we must)...but not signing one of the FA's looks like it's coming back to haunt us. Not sure why we didn't address the oline either...as that's probably our weakest unit. you build thru the draft,silly. and hope the 5th and 6th rounders pan out in a hurry.no need to pay the going rate for a good olineman or cb. we need that money to pay the defensive line and kerley in a few years.idzik is sticking to his plan come hell or high water.he is building a contender for years to come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 you build thru the draft,silly. and hope the 5th and 6th rounders pan out in a hurry.no need to pay the going rate for a good olineman or cb. we need that money to pay the defensive line and kerley in a few years.idzik is sticking to his plan come hell or high water.he is building a contender for years to come We just need to go to the elite QB store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlairThomasFaurotNagle Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Idzik has the ignored the CB position in the draft and free agency and now it's coming back to bite gang green in the tuchas. Didn't draft dequeze dennard or Kyle fuller. Didn't sign darrelle revis who is now playing for you know who. This guy is a disaster. Fire him before Rex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Idzik has the ignored the CB position in the draft What Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 U guys remember when we spent a ton of money and we were competitive indefinitely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Ok I see the agendas are back out in full force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Thanks for that!!! Sadly, that list is scary bad. You might be able to get decent production from Samuel for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 it was pure pride on Woody's part to trade Revis and then not revisit bringing him back. The guy is one of the greatest CBs of all time, and now he's playing for a bitter rival. When that game happens, it's gonna be terrible to see Revis in Pats colors. It all could have been avoided. The Jets have 30 mil in cap space and no healthy cornerbacks. So the answer to a future high ankle sprain and a torn ACL is to preemptively bring in a guy for 12M who already had a torn ACL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 U guys remember when we spent a ton of money and we were competitive indefinitely I think we still have that AFC championship game participation trophy. Oh nope, we traded sanchez. Now we have nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 So the answer to a future high ankle sprain and a torn ACL is to preemptively bring in a guy for 12M who already had a torn ACL? Let's be honest, he was going to bring that up regardless, whether it's our first loss or against the patriots. It was going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 So the answer to a future high ankle sprain and a torn ACL is to preemptively bring in a guy for 12M who already had a torn ACL? Yes. Spending money in free agency prevents injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Revis is a pain in the rear end to deal with, not a big fan of his personality at all...but no one here would be bitching if he were still on our roster for what he's being paid by the Pats. The guy can still play football at a high level...finding those types of CB's, especially ones that are given the Jordan rules...are difficult if not impossible to find. And the "how did insert Super Bowl team here" manage to win the Super Bowl without Darrelle Revis is a bs argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Let's be honest, he was going to bring that up regardless, whether it's our first loss or against the patriots. It was going to happen. We'll hear about it a dozen more times I'm sure. Jumping out ahead of pointing out the absurdity too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted August 10, 2014 Author Share Posted August 10, 2014 Revis is a pain in the rear end to deal with, not a big fan of his personality at all...but no one here would be bitching if he were still on our roster for what he's being paid by the Pats. The guy can still play football at a high level...finding those types of CB's, especially ones that are given the Jordan rules...are difficult if not impossible to find. And the "how did insert Super Bowl team here" manage to win the Super Bowl without Darrelle Revis is a bs argument. Just turned 29. At 12 mill, we could have had him for the remainder of his prime.. another what.. 2 or 3 years? Now we have to see him twice on Sundays. Great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 We waste a lot of high draft picks on projectional players McDougle was labeled injury prone yet we used a 3rd on him he would have been there in the 7th round Dee Milliner was often injured in college as well a 3rd is a high round pick? Milliner oft injured in college - where are you getting this stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Just turned 29. At 12 mill, we could have had him for the remainder of his prime.. another what.. 2 or 3 years? Now we have to see him twice on Sundays. Great. Jets need more guys that you can pencil in every season that you don't have to worry about. Revis was one of those guys... sh*t, even Mangold and Brick aren't those types of guys anymore...and no one was brought in/drafted to push them. The line right now is in worse shape than the secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted August 10, 2014 Author Share Posted August 10, 2014 Jets need more guys that you can pencil in every season that you don't have to worry about. Revis was one of those guys... sh*t, even Mangold and Brick aren't those types of guys anymore...and no one was brought in/drafted to push them. The line right now is in worse shape than the secondary. I disagree. Our corner situation is bad. Real bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I disagree. Our corner situation is bad. Real bad. You can salvage a bad secondary. Bad oline with a young QB and the team can't function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Not sure about the hands (isn't Enunwa the guy who basically has to re-learn how to catch?), but agreed on the rest. I remember Waldman saying he had a ton of upside. Somewhat decent hands although not the best of them so he body catches a lot of stuff. But he did not drop many and atlest not sitters unlike some other rookie WR on our team. Enunwa biggest handicap was his route running. Too raw. I think in college he was a good end zone target. Very physical too which help him in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 The other other CB was a question mark yesterday and it's a question mark today. Nothing has changed except we don't get to see if McDougle would have become a player. So now Idzik not only has nobody at that spot, but he doesn't even have a potential somebody. Forgive me for not doing a happy pee pee dance with 21 mil in cap space, two thirds (half?) of the top ten CB's in football available and nothing to show for it. Even if Milliner is healthy, we are (probably) getting raped by teams with competent passers and decent receivers. Eventually, Idzik is going to have to jump on the carousel. That ****er is going to go around and around whether he thinks he has a Super Bowl team, a franchise QB or not. Are/were we trying to win this year? That is the question. You can try and improve your team without going all out for a Super Bowl run. Especially when you have 50mil in cash in free agency. It is pure arrogance to believe you can draft so incredibly well that you can spend the minimum amount allowable and field a competitive football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 If dee comes back by the opener he gets my v Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Vote for the dexter mcdougle toughness and leadership award, damn my iPhone just screwed up a bad attempt at a joke, karma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Idzik should have just bought the crystal ball from the place where some of the JETS posters apparently did. But he was too cheap to spend on a crystal ball and here we are. Thanks idzik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 On the drive home from work I heard IRA from s.i. Say we should trade for Joseph from the texans ....I've heard worse ideas, what do you guys think ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Free agent options: Asante Samuel Darius Robinson Brandon Hughes Quentin Jammer Jason Allen Justin Rogers Dunta Robinson Jabari Greer Corey Webster Curtis Brown Michael Adams Jammer and Robinson and hope for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Idzik should have just bought the crystal ball from the place where some of the JETS posters apparently did. But he was too cheap to spend on a crystal ball and here we are. Thanks idzik. You don't need a crystal ball to know you have absolute garbage at one CB position. What you need is a crystal ball to predict that a fourth or fifth round CB you like enough to take in the third round coming off a season in which he played three games is going to be your new starting CB at some point, crystal enough to pass on already established NFL players at that position because you're afraid to overspend on a team which is being underspent on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 The other other CB was a question mark yesterday and it's a question mark today. Nothing has changed except we don't get to see if McDougle would have become a player. So now Idzik not only has nobody at that spot, but he doesn't even have a potential somebody. Forgive me for not doing a happy pee pee dance with 21 mil in cap space, two thirds (half?) of the top ten CB's in football available and nothing to show for it. Even if Milliner is healthy, we are (probably) getting raped by teams with competent passers and decent receivers. Eventually, Idzik is going to have to jump on the carousel. That ****er is going to go around and around whether he thinks he has a Super Bowl team, a franchise QB or not. Are/were we trying to win this year? That is the question. You can try and improve your team without going all out for a Super Bowl run. Especially when you have 50mil in cash in free agency. It is pure arrogance to believe you can draft so incredibly well that you can spend the minimum amount allowable and field a competitive football team. stop with the nonsense. idzik knows what he is doing. he was a secretary or some sh*t on a team that won the superbowl the following year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 it was pure pride on Woody's part to trade Revis and then not revisit bringing him back. The guy is one of the greatest CBs of all time, and now he's playing for a bitter rival. When that game happens, it's gonna be terrible to see Revis in Pats colors. It all could have been avoided. The Jets have 30 mil in cap space and no healthy cornerbacks.It's on Woody, period. You cannot let your business suffer over a personal slight.Revis wasn't going to be a long term deal, only a 1 year one. There was no downside, unless your owner is a silly goose. And he is. As someone else said, like up all the FAs, see who is in shape, who's not, and pick 2. Or wait for the final cuts in about 3 weeks. Or both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 You don't need a crystal ball to know you have absolute garbage at one CB position. What you need is a crystal ball to predict that a fourth or fifth round CB you like enough to take in the third round coming off a season in which he played three games is going to be your new starting CB at some point, crystal enough to pass on already established NFL players at that position because you're afraid to overspend on a team which is being underspent on. Crystal ball never predicts it just clearly shows you the future. I do understand the argument that the 3rd and 4th round selections in this year draft apart from Douzable did not make value sense. But they scouted a player who was able to showcase his skills albeit briefly and show they did pick up some good talent. Most fans and even you are implicitly agreeing that he was starter material in his rookie year. Not too shabby for a 3rd round pick. As far as injuries go you cannot predict the future. Two years ago Mike Evans had a knee injury that kept him out the entire season and the very next season he came back and lit it up so much so as to justify being picked #7. So you can never tell as far as physical injuries are concerned. So the rest of you argument falls apart. JETS tried to get young at this position and build the right way. They even got a starter caliber corner in the 3rd round but it didnt pan out the way they thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Crystal ball never predicts it just clearly shows you the future. I do understand the argument that the 3rd and 4th round selections in this year draft apart from Douzable did not make value sense. But they scouted a player who was able to showcase his skills albeit briefly and show they did pick up some good talent. Most fans and even you are implicitly agreeing that he was starter material in his rookie year. Not too shabby for a 3rd round pick. As far as injuries go you cannot predict the future. Two years ago Mike Evans had a knee injury that kept him out the entire season and the very next season he came back and lit it up so much so as to justify being picked #7. So you can never tell as far as physical injuries are concerned. So the rest of you argument falls apart. JETS tried to get young at this position and build the right way. They even got a starter caliber corner in the 3rd round but it didnt pan out the way they thought. how in the world did they get a starting caliber player in the 3rd round when he hasn't played 1 meaningful game yet? potential?maybe. starting caliber? come on,man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 how in the world did they get a starting caliber player in the 3rd round when he hasn't played 1 meaningful game yet? potential?maybe. starting caliber? come on,man When you have a bunch of mediocre CBs on the roster some who wouldn't be on any team if they weren't on the Jets that's how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Just out of curiosity, do you guys really think this team as currently constructed were real contenders to win the SB bowl this season? I Before or after these injuries, I thought we had a puncher's chance at a wildcard spot and we had to hope we get hot in the playoffs. But in any scenario, we weren't winning sh*t unless Geno took a major step forward and this shabby O-line performed better. That's still the case now. Geno is the major question mark on this team and this season is all about figuring out if he's capable of being a franchise qb. Seriously look at the teams during Rex's entire tenure here and two things become obvious. 1) He can field a top 5/10 defense each season with a lot of moving parts. Our pass defense was bad last year and we were really bad at forcing turnovers and we still managed to overachieve in wins at the end of the day with a turnover happy QB. Our pass defense is probably going to be bad again this year, but our run defense is still built to be very good. 2) Except for one year, the Jets field bottom ten offenses.consistently. Whether we go anywhere as a franchise still hinders on if our offense can ever get its sh*t together. These two injuries suck hard and I'm disappointed, but keep in mind that we've already fielded top 3-5 defenses before and still haven't won anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Crystal ball never predicts it just clearly shows you the future. I do understand the argument that the 3rd and 4th round selections in this year draft apart from Douzable did not make value sense. But they scouted a player who was able to showcase his skills albeit briefly and show they did pick up some good talent. Most fans and even you are implicitly agreeing that he was starter material in his rookie year. Not too shabby for a 3rd round pick. As far as injuries go you cannot predict the future. Two years ago Mike Evans had a knee injury that kept him out the entire season and the very next season he came back and lit it up so much so as to justify being picked #7. So you can never tell as far as physical injuries are concerned. So the rest of you argument falls apart. JETS tried to get young at this position and build the right way. They even got a starter caliber corner in the 3rd round but it didnt pan out the way they thought. Like a wise man once said. "Those three game tapes must have been the greatest trilogy since Star Wars". I'm just saying the crystal scrotum swings both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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