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Why Not Keep Gates Instead Of Hill?


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#1 kelticwizard

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 02:35 PM

They don't show the Jets preseason games up here, so all I know is from this board and news reports.  Both Hill and Gates are burners, (both have been timed at 4.31 40 yard dash), who are on the team to try to take the top off the defense.  Both have been with the team for awhile and have been disappointing, both came to training camp expected to show something if they plan to stay on the team.  Well, Hill has 3 catches for 42 yards and Gates has 6 catches, (2nd most on the team) for 116 yards, (most on the team by far).  In other words, two young fast receivers had to come through to be on the team, and one has and the other hasn't.  Why not keep Gates?


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 02:38 PM

Salas before both of them and it's not close.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 02:41 PM

why not eat snot instead of poo?


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 02:44 PM

gates blows. and who says they both cannot go?
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Posted 29 August 2014 - 02:49 PM

Good question. I think it really comes down to the Jets have so much more invested in Hill in draft picks. So if they are equal in suckage you might as well give Hill one more shot. Plus Gates has looked decent in preseason before just to lay an egg in regular season.
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Posted 29 August 2014 - 03:01 PM

One thing I don't remember being discussed here that I was thinking about: Lets assume Barnes stays on the PUP list. Why not carry the extra WR - and keep both Hill and Salas - and if Hill is still crap after 6 weeks cut him to make room for Barnes.
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Posted 29 August 2014 - 03:03 PM

Gates = Clowney

 

Hill = Ryan Leaf.

 

Poo=Piss

 

Salas is better than Gates and Hill. Salas should be kept on the starting 53. 


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 03:04 PM

For the time he has been on the Jets, Gates has been a "project", which is to say he was lousy.  The last few games he played last season he actually showed a glimmer of coming around, catching a couple of first down passes his last game before getting injured.  As they took him off the field, I remember thinking to myself, "This guy is useless for the whole time he's been here, the last few games he finally shows something and it looks like he's all done here."  He gets an invite to training camp-certainly his last chance as a Jet-and statistically he's better than any other receiver.  If Hill isn't coming around, why not give the burner job to the guy who performed well?


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 03:14 PM

Gates is terrible. He caught one ball and mean mugged the camera. I. HATE. HIM.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 03:16 PM

IF Salas is so great than why are his contributions mostly with the 2's.

 

If Gates is so great that why are his contributions with 2's and 3's.

 

Hill is the only WR that has played mostly with the 1's.

 

As i said in another thread, Salas has been a training camp standout. Always love those underdog making it to the team stories. But if you look at his performance in the pre-season how much of it was playing against the 1's  ? Then the light hits you and suddenly you realize the feel good story has a not so high ceiling.

 

Gates has even a lower performance grade than that.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 03:18 PM

IF Salas is so great than why are his contributions mostly with the 2's.

If Gates is so great that why are his contributions with 2's and 3's.

Hill is the only WR that has played mostly with the 1's.

As i said in another thread, Salas has been a training camp standout. Always love those underdog making it to the team stories. But if you look at his performance in the pre-season how much of it was playing against the 1's ? Then the light hits you and suddenly you realize the feel good story has a not so high ceiling.

Gates has even a lower performance grade than that.


Hill hasn't been exclusively with the 1s, and despite the level of competition, Salas has demonstrated an ability to box out defenders and catch the ball with his hands. Something Hill has yet to grasp. Like a football.
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Posted 29 August 2014 - 03:22 PM

Gates has always been getting these injuries -not able to stay on the field besides his actual play 


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 03:22 PM

For the time he has been on the Jets, Gates has been a "project", which is to say he was lousy. The last few games he played last season he actually showed a glimmer of coming around, catching a couple of first down passes his last game before getting injured. As they took him off the field, I remember thinking to myself, "This guy is useless for the whole time he's been here, the last few games he finally shows something and it looks like he's all done here." He gets an invite to training camp-certainly his last chance as a Jet-and statistically he's better than any other receiver. If Hill isn't coming around, why not give the burner job to the guy who performed well?


Some would say Hill was showing flashes too before injuries derailed him. This is especially true before he got clobbered in that one game earlier in the season.

I'd rather see them give Hill one more shot between the 2. At least they don't have multiple draft picks invested in Gates
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Posted 29 August 2014 - 03:25 PM

Hill hasn't been exclusively with the 1s, and despite the level of competition, Salas has demonstrated an ability to box out defenders and catch the ball with his hands. Something Hill has yet to grasp. Like a football.

 

Actually most of the time unless you count the last pre-season game.

 

Salas has had an impressive camp but most of the pre-season action is against 2's.

 

And while Salas is a feel good story his talent level and upside is not as high as Hill's.

 

 

In another note not sure how Haakim looked yesterday most of the game but does he even deserve a place as a returner.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 03:27 PM

Gates has always been getting these injuries -not able to stay on the field besides his actual play 

 

I had said before the training camp even started that i wont be surprised if Gates had a strong showing at the training camp. Because remember he and Powell were the feel good stories of last year's training camp. Powell ended up showing something whil Gates fizzled out and then got injured.

 

But his performance in the training camp while good was not as great as it was last season. So i do not see him making it. Would be a big surprise based on pure WR ability.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 03:33 PM

Actually most of the time unless you count the last pre-season game.

Salas has had an impressive camp but most of the pre-season action is against 2's.

And while Salas is a feel good story his talent level and upside is not as high as Hill's.


In another note not sure how Haakim looked yesterday most of the game but does he even deserve a place as a returner.


Hill looked terrible against the 2s last night. Untapped potential = lack of production. I recognize it, I was talking up Hill as the projected starter opposite Decker when training camp first began. He's played his way off the roster, imho.

Meanwhile, if Salas can be a Chrebet-like guy, coming in as a fourth receiver and moving the chains once in a while, maybe spot starting here and there, he's doing more than Hill can. Again, Hill is still struggling to catch the ball with his hands, or use his big frame to box out defenders. Not sure how long they're supposed to wait for that light to go on.

And Hakim looks fast as hell, but not like a smart returner. He does, however, look like a demon on the coverage units. Wallace Wright had a long (it seems) career here listed as a WR, but working exclusively on specials. Hakim may be able to like up wide once in a while, though, just to take the top off the defense.
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Posted 29 August 2014 - 03:37 PM

Actually most of the time unless you count the last pre-season game.

 

Salas has had an impressive camp but most of the pre-season action is against 2's.

 

And while Salas is a feel good story his talent level and upside is not as high as Hill's.

 

 

In another note not sure how Haakim looked yesterday most of the game but does he even deserve a place as a returner.

 

Feel good story? This guy was drafted in the same round that Idzik has spent his highest WR picks on thus far. This is a 6'2 210 lb wide receiver that actually knows how to play the position. Don't make him out to be Rudy.
 


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 03:40 PM

Part of a receiver's job is to out and get the ball- help your QB out-Hill has not shown any ability to do that- Salas has and he is  a former 4th round pick as Gastineau mentioned not  a walk on


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 03:41 PM

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F*CK. NO.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 03:43 PM

why not eat snot instead of poo?


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 03:44 PM

Hill sucks. He has not progressed. Salas can catch and knows how to block out to make a catch.  If a receiver's game only depended on speed and not catching then Hill is uncuttable. HOWEVER, a wide receiver has to CATCH THE BALL and hill does not. Therefore, cut his ass. 


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 03:48 PM

Feel good story? This guy was drafted in the same round that Idzik has spent his highest WR picks on thus far. This is a 6'2 210 lb wide receiver that actually knows how to play the position. Don't make him out to be Rudy.
 

 

 

Salas has and he is  a former 4th round pick as Gastineau mentioned not  a walk on

 

 

Did we pick him. No. He was drafted by Rams and has had stops at New England and Philly along the way.  We signed him mid season when we needed warm bodies at the WR position. Not exactly a stellar career till date. So yeah he is a feel good story. For me he is.  But even the coaches do not have him rolling with the 1's. All his numbers are against the 2's in pre-season.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 03:53 PM

Did we pick him. No. He was drafted by Rams and has had stops at New England and Philly along the way. We signed him mid season when we needed warm bodies at the WR position. Not exactly a stellar career till date. So yeah he is a feel good story. For me he is. But even the coaches do not have him rolling with the 1's. All his numbers are against the 2's in pre-season.


The last GM picked him, not this one. And Rex was never really on board with the selection. Not sure if Hill has any allies in management at this point.

As for the coaches, Rex has said Salas is in looks to be in pretty good shape. No such words for Hill.
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Posted 29 August 2014 - 03:59 PM

What is the difference anyway where or if the person is drafted- who can make plays and who has not shown the ability to make plays- Hill is in the second category


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