Jump to content

  •  

Welcome to JetNation.com


Sign In  Log in with Facebook Log in with Twitter

Create Account
Welcome to JetNation.com, your home for New York Jets talk. We are an independent site, which means we aren't affiliated with the NY Jets or SNY. The opinions here are never censored. We want you to join in on the conversation, but don't worry this is a simple and FREE process. Be apart of JetNation.com by signing in or creating an account. When you create an account, you can also opt to use your existing Facebook or Twitter login.
  • Start new topics and reply to others
  • Subscribe to topics and forums to get email updates
  • Get your own profile page and make new friends
  • Send personal messages to other members.
Also be sure to check us out on Facebook and Twitter.
 
Guest Message by DevFuse

Photo
- - - - -

Jets need Rex to be at his best


  • Please log in to reply
69 replies to this topic

#1 JetNation

JetNation

    Transition Player

  • Members
  • 5,997 posts

Posted 02 September 2014 - 09:43 AM

Rex Ryan

Last season, Jets Head Coach Rex Ryan led his team to an improbable 8-8 finish.  Improbable for a myriad of reasons.  He had a rookie quarterback who wasn’t ready.  He had a rookie cornerback who wasn’t ready.  He converted Quinton Coples, who was supposed to be one of  his best pass-rushers from DE to OLB on short notice. That, and an ankle injury during the pre-season meant that Coples also wasn’t ready.  His best receiver, Santonio Holmes was coming back from a major injury and when the games started, and he too wasn’t ready.  The pundits called the Jets the worst team in the NFL and said that a three win season wasn’t out of the question.  Ryan used those predictions to light a fire under  his team, and somehow managed to scheme the Jets’ to a .500 finish.  That was good enough to convince owner Woody Johnson to bring  Ryan back for another season. However, as challenging as last season was for Ryan, this season may prove to be even more difficult.

General Manager John Idzik improved the offense by adding wide receiver Eric Decker, quarterback Michael Vick, and running back Chris Johnson.  He also drafted a pass-catching tight end in Jace Amaro.  However, despite those upgrades, it’s the defensive side of the ball that has the fans worried for a change.  Injuries and a bizarre incident with CB Dimitri Patterson that led to his release leaves the Jets with a patchwork secondary and only one week of practice to break in a couple of last-minute additions (CB’s Phillip Adams and Leon McFadden).

Ryan has built a reputation in the NFL as a defensive genius.  Since taking over as co-ordinator for the Baltimore Ravens in 2005, last year was the first time a Rex Ryan defense finished out of the top-10 when the Jets came in 11th overall.  Even with that on his resume, and despite his public support for his players, Ryan knows that the Jets’ beleaguered secondary is going to have their work cut out for them.  From weeks 2-7 the Jets will face Aaron Rodgers, Jay Cutler, Matthew Stafford, Philip Rivers, Peyton Manning, and then on four days rest, Tom Brady in New England.  Ryan doesn’t know when second year CB Dee Milliner will be back, and he doesn’t know how converted safety Antonio Allen is going to hold up in  his place.  This could also be the first extensive action at CB for Darrin Walls depending on what Ryan does when Milliner finally does return from his high ankle sprain.  All of this, with the Jets’ schedule, is going to be a monumental challenge.

So with all of the uncertainty already surrounding the Jets, and with time running out before 1p.m. on Sunday, one of the few things we do know, is that the Jets need Ryan to be at the top of his game to face the week 2-7 gauntlet, and unlike last year, the youngsters better be ready.

 

 



View the full article
  • 0

#2 JiF

JiF

    Say yer prayers Varmint!

  • Members
  • 39,137 posts
  • LocationSomewhere between Heaven and Hell

Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:03 PM

Rex homerism aside, how is this different than any other season other than 2010? 

 

He took over the worst offense in the league, lost his best player on both sides of the ball and won 9 games and went to the AFC Champ Game.  They finally fielded an above average roster in 2010, the only time in his career and with that solid of a roster, he  took that win total to 11 and beat two HOF'ers on the road to get back to the AFC Champ game.  From there on, his teams have sucked, he's had the worst starting QB in the league and its been all on him to get the most out of it.  Here were are in 2014 and nothing has changed.  The team sucks and Rex needs to work his magic.

 

The dude has been doing more with less than anyone else in the league.  Unfortunately for him, 3 straight seasons with no playoff appearance means nothing short of the playoffs saves his job and this roster is far from a playoff caliber roster.


Edited by JiF, 02 September 2014 - 12:05 PM.

  • 2
Posted Image

#3 RutgersJetFan

RutgersJetFan

    Bring me Solo and the Wookie

  • Members
  • 17,853 posts

Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:10 PM

That is certainly one adjective to use to describe an 8-8 season. Improbable.


  • 0

(Chandler)'s a nice piece as long as he's the 7th most important player on your roster....I think they're going to be disappointed when they see he's just a pumped-up Drew Gooden.


#4 AirForceJetFan

AirForceJetFan

    Veteran

  • Writers \ Bloggers
  • 8,102 posts

Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:11 PM

Rex homerism aside, how is this different than any other season other than 2010? 

 

He took over the worst offense in the league, lost his best player on both sides of the ball and won 9 games and went to the AFC Champ Game.  They finally fielded an above average roster in 2010, the only time in his career and with that solid of a roster, he  took that win total to 11 and beat two HOF'ers on the road to get back to the AFC Champ game.  From there on, his teams have sucked, he's had the worst starting QB in the league and its been all on him to get the most out of it.  Here were are in 2014 and nothing has changed.  The team sucks and Rex needs to work his magic.

 

The dude has been doing more with less than anyone else in the league.  Unfortunately for him, 3 straight seasons with no playoff appearance means nothing short of the playoffs saves his job and this roster is far from a playoff caliber roster.

 

The biggest difference IMO is that this time, due to the injuries  in the secondary, concerns on the defensive side of the ball seem to  have surpassed the concerns on offense.  I think the offense will be solid.  Good enough RB's to chew up clock, and more reliable targets for Geno to throw to.  If he improves even a little bit, which I think we all expect him to, the offense will be better than years past.  If Milliner can't get back to 100% and the #2 CB stinks it up, Rex is going to have to live up to his billing as a defensive genius.  Agreed 100% too...give most other coaching staffs what Rex has had in his time here and they'd be a dozen games under .500 if not worse.


  • 0

#5 AirForceJetFan

AirForceJetFan

    Veteran

  • Writers \ Bloggers
  • 8,102 posts

Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:11 PM

That is certainly one adjective to use to describe an 8-8 season. Improbable.

 

Sad as it may be, eight wins is improbable when you look at the roster he had to work with.


  • 0

#6 nycdan

nycdan

    I see with my big round eye...

  • Members
  • 1,292 posts

Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:15 PM

Problem is, Rex isn't half the man he used to be.


  • 2
Posted Image

Let's go eat a god damned snack!

#7 RutgersJetFan

RutgersJetFan

    Bring me Solo and the Wookie

  • Members
  • 17,853 posts

Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:17 PM

Problem is, Rex isn't half the man he used to be.

 

3hwYboJ.gif


  • 1

(Chandler)'s a nice piece as long as he's the 7th most important player on your roster....I think they're going to be disappointed when they see he's just a pumped-up Drew Gooden.


#8 dbatesman

dbatesman

    Failgoat 2.0

  • Members
  • 9,188 posts

Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:17 PM

Someday Rex will get a front office and assistant coaches and players and media and fans that don't hold him back, and then you'll see. You'll all see.
  • 0

This is like having a cat with leukemia.


#9 AirForceJetFan

AirForceJetFan

    Veteran

  • Writers \ Bloggers
  • 8,102 posts

Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:20 PM

Someday Rex will get a front office and assistant coaches and players and media and fans that don't hold him back, and then you'll see. You'll all see.

 

We will see?  I think we've already seen.  Rex takes some pretty weak rosters and gets more out of them than anyone expects him to.  So it would stand to reason that if he had better than terrible players on offense, he'd be special.  My greates fear, is that he'll become the next Dungy.  Jets will dump him, and a team with an average to above average offense will bring him in and he'll win one, if not many rings.


  • 0

#10 Jetsfan80

Jetsfan80

    Hall Of Famer

  • Members
  • 47,097 posts

Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:21 PM

Rex is very good at taking a 5-11 or 6-10 roster and making them 8-8 or 9-7.  But making that jump and taking a 7-9 (or so) roster to 11-5 is what we need from him now.  That's an enormous leap in the NFL. 


Edited by Jetsfan80, 02 September 2014 - 12:21 PM.

  • 1

sheesh, I'm a doosh.


#11 Sperm Edwards

Sperm Edwards

    Penis

  • Moderators
  • 28,893 posts

Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:23 PM

We will see?  I think we've already seen.  Rex takes some pretty weak rosters and gets more out of them than anyone expects him to.  So it would stand to reason that if he had better than terrible players on offense, he'd be special.  My greates fear, is that he'll become the next Dungy.  Jets will dump him, and a team with an average to above average offense will bring him in and he'll win one, if not many rings.

 

I never feared lovable/huggable Rex would become Tony Dungy. It is now, so thanks for that. 


  • 0

JetNation.com
 

 

 


#12 JohnnnyBONES

JohnnnyBONES

    Advanced Member

  • Facebook \ Twitter
  • PipPipPip
  • 40 posts

Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:24 PM

More hinges on Geno's performance than on Rex's performance.  Although, I guess one could argue that developing Geno is a product of Rex's performance.  


  • 1

#13 T0mShane

T0mShane

    You can smell the death upon him.

  • Members
  • 29,396 posts

Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:26 PM

We will see? I think we've already seen. Rex takes some pretty weak rosters and gets more out of them than anyone expects him to. So it would stand to reason that if he had better than terrible players on offense, he'd be special. My greates fear, is that he'll become the next Dungy. Jets will dump him, and a team with an average to above average offense will bring him in and he'll win one, if not many rings.


Dungy is a franchise-builder, though. Rex has shown zero ability to identify talent to the point where his acknowledged draft picks (Boyd, Conner, Scotty McKnight) become punch lines. I'm sure if Rex got the Dallas job where all he had to do was fix the defense, they'd be scary for two years, but the same problems would develop there as did here. Young players would fall by the wayside, Dez Bryant would murder a school bus, and veterans would age with no one behind them to replace them. He'd have a spicy DL, though.

Edited by T0mShane, 02 September 2014 - 12:27 PM.

  • 0
Well, that's the internet, man: 9 billion tough guys who secretly want to touch your pee-pee.

#14 T0mShane

T0mShane

    You can smell the death upon him.

  • Members
  • 29,396 posts

Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:28 PM

More hinges on Geno's performance than on Rex's performance. Although, I guess one could argue that developing Geno is a product of Rex's performance.



+1,000,000
  • 0
Well, that's the internet, man: 9 billion tough guys who secretly want to touch your pee-pee.

#15 T0mShane

T0mShane

    You can smell the death upon him.

  • Members
  • 29,396 posts

Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:29 PM

Rex is very good at taking a 5-11 or 6-10 roster and making them 8-8 or 9-7. But making that jump and taking a 7-9 (or so) roster to 11-5 is what we need from him now. That's an enormous leap in the NFL.


+1

So many good posts today.
  • 0
Well, that's the internet, man: 9 billion tough guys who secretly want to touch your pee-pee.

#16 Hitman Harris

Hitman Harris

    Practice Squad Player

  • Members
  • 170 posts

Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:29 PM

Problem is, Rex isn't half the man he used to be.

Last year's finale job saver has revitalized him and has helped him channel his inner fat man. Now he gets to prove it, as he likes to say.


  • 0

5TH8N11.gif?2


#17 RutgersJetFan

RutgersJetFan

    Bring me Solo and the Wookie

  • Members
  • 17,853 posts

Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:30 PM

It appears that this article is spurring new thought and discussion on topics that we may not have considered before. Jetnation bot saves the day yet again.


  • 0

(Chandler)'s a nice piece as long as he's the 7th most important player on your roster....I think they're going to be disappointed when they see he's just a pumped-up Drew Gooden.


#18 Jetsfan80

Jetsfan80

    Hall Of Famer

  • Members
  • 47,097 posts

Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:31 PM

+1

So many good posts today.

 

Yeah but I'm not winning any POTW honors with Hitman Harris around.  Jesus.


  • 0

sheesh, I'm a doosh.


#19 T0mShane

T0mShane

    You can smell the death upon him.

  • Members
  • 29,396 posts

Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:34 PM

Yeah but I'm not winning any POTW honors with Hitman Harris around. Jesus.



This is POTW:
5TH8N11.gif?2
  • 1
Well, that's the internet, man: 9 billion tough guys who secretly want to touch your pee-pee.

#20 JiF

JiF

    Say yer prayers Varmint!

  • Members
  • 39,137 posts
  • LocationSomewhere between Heaven and Hell

Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:57 PM

The biggest difference IMO is that this time, due to the injuries  in the secondary, concerns on the defensive side of the ball seem to  have surpassed the concerns on offense.  I think the offense will be solid.  Good enough RB's to chew up clock, and more reliable targets for Geno to throw to.  If he improves even a little bit, which I think we all expect him to, the offense will be better than years past.  If Milliner can't get back to 100% and the #2 CB stinks it up, Rex is going to have to live up to his billing as a defensive genius.  Agreed 100% too...give most other coaching staffs what Rex has had in his time here and they'd be a dozen games under .500 if not worse.

 

I agree to an extent.  At the end of the day, all concerns that really matter start and end with the QB if the position is not 100% solidified.  So for me at least, I'm still more concerned with QB than CB's.  You can occassionally scheme to cover for bad corner play.  You cant hide you QB for an entire season.

 

Rex is very good at taking a 5-11 or 6-10 roster and making them 8-8 or 9-7.  But making that jump and taking a 7-9 (or so) roster to 11-5 is what we need from him now.  That's an enormous leap in the NFL. 

 

He's done it before when had the roster do it. 


  • 0
Posted Image

#21 Jetsfan80

Jetsfan80

    Hall Of Famer

  • Members
  • 47,097 posts

Posted 02 September 2014 - 01:04 PM

I agree to an extent.  At the end of the day, all concerns that really matter start and end with the QB if the position is not 100% solidified.  So for me at least, I'm still more concerned with QB than CB's.  You can occassionally scheme to cover for bad corner play.  You cant hide you QB for an entire season.

 

 

He's done it before when had the roster do it. 

 

I'd say that 2010 roster was better than 7-9 caliber and better than the current roster.  We had Revis and Cromartie playing at a high level, a terrific offensive line, the full compliment of "Fly Boys" performing nicely, plus Tomlinson.  Taking them to 11-5 was still impressive given Sanchez, but him taking this team to 11-5 would be much more impressive. 

 

It would also mean Geno is "the guy".  This is especially crucial, since there's probably no chance Rex gets another shot with a 2015 rookie QB.  If it's come to that its time for Idzik to handpick the offensive-minded HC he wants to pair with his rookie QB.  Option C:  If its determined that Rex should still be the HC but a QB change is needed, it had better be a veteran.


Edited by Jetsfan80, 02 September 2014 - 01:08 PM.

  • 0

sheesh, I'm a doosh.


#22 JiF

JiF

    Say yer prayers Varmint!

  • Members
  • 39,137 posts
  • LocationSomewhere between Heaven and Hell

Posted 02 September 2014 - 01:20 PM

I'd say that 2010 roster was better than 7-9 caliber and better than the current roster.  We had Revis and Cromartie playing at a high level, a terrific offensive line, the full compliment of "Fly Boys" performing nicely, plus Tomlinson.  Taking them to 11-5 was still impressive given Sanchez, but him taking this team to 11-5 would be much more impressive. 

 

It would also mean Geno is "the guy".  This is especially crucial, since there's probably no chance Rex gets another shot with a 2015 rookie QB.  If it's come to that its time for Idzik to handpick the offensive-minded HC he wants to pair with his rookie QB.  Option C:  If its determined that Rex should still be the HC but a QB change is needed, it had better be a veteran.

 

I'd say that 2010 roster was better than 7-9 caliber and better than the current roster.  We had Revis and Cromartie playing at a high level, a terrific offensive line, the full compliment of "Fly Boys" performing nicely, plus Tomlinson.  Taking them to 11-5 was still impressive given Sanchez, but him taking this team to 11-5 would be much more impressive. 

 

It would also mean Geno is "the guy".  This is especially crucial, since there's probably no chance Rex gets another shot with a 2015 rookie QB.  If it's come to that its time for Idzik to handpick the offensive-minded HC he wants to pair with his rookie QB.  Option C:  If its determined that Rex should still be the HC but a QB change is needed, it had better be a veteran.

 

True...I actually read your post wrong. I thought it said he couldnt take 8-8/9-7 to 11-5 or better. 

 

Rex isnt getting another chance in 2015, period.  This isnt a playoff roster, so it wont be a playoff team and thats what its going to take for Rex to save his job.  Sad but true.  Its a shame because he's a great HC but you cant ask him every single year to overachieve and coach up a sh*t roster. No coach is capable of that year after year.


  • 0
Posted Image

#23 AirForceJetFan

AirForceJetFan

    Veteran

  • Writers \ Bloggers
  • 8,102 posts

Posted 02 September 2014 - 01:26 PM

Dungy is a franchise-builder, though. Rex has shown zero ability to identify talent to the point where his acknowledged draft picks (Boyd, Conner, Scotty McKnight) become punch lines. I'm sure if Rex got the Dallas job where all he had to do was fix the defense, they'd be scary for two years, but the same problems would develop there as did here. Young players would fall by the wayside, Dez Bryant would murder a school bus, and veterans would age with no one behind them to replace them. He'd have a spicy DL, though.

 

For all the moaning that goes on around here about Rex's inability to address the offensive side of the football, I'd encourage you to watch Dungy's TB teams.  He tried to beat everyone 6-3 and always played scared on offense.  I remember watching their first game after acquiring Keyshawn from the Jets.  They'd just given up two first rounders and huge money to get him, and the thing Keyshawn did better than anything was go up for a jump ball.  He could pull it down in a crowd as well as anyone.  On their opening drive, the Bucs get the ball inside the five yard-line, and Dungy runs it right up the gut three times, stuffed all three times, and kicks a FG.  Dungy's offensive philosiphy in a nutshell.


Edited by AirForceJetFan, 02 September 2014 - 01:28 PM.

  • 0

#24 AirForceJetFan

AirForceJetFan

    Veteran

  • Writers \ Bloggers
  • 8,102 posts

Posted 02 September 2014 - 01:29 PM

I agree to an extent.  At the end of the day, all concerns that really matter start and end with the QB if the position is not 100% solidified.  So for me at least, I'm still more concerned with QB than CB's.  You can occassionally scheme to cover for bad corner play.  You cant hide you QB for an entire season.

 

 

He's done it before when had the roster do it. 

 

Agreed 100%.  It just seems that right now, the majority of the talk has centered around how our CB's are going to get murdered and the Jets will be terrible because of it.  If Geno is bad again, none of it matters, but I think he'll be improved and Rex will have to get  his defense to play at a high level despite losing multiple starting CB's.


  • 0

#25 FloridaJetsFan

FloridaJetsFan

    Hail Caesar

  • Members
  • 2,543 posts
  • LocationNavarre, FL

Posted 02 September 2014 - 02:12 PM

 you cant ask him every single year to overachieve and coach up a sh*t roster. No coach is capable of that year after year.

 

But, that's what the media says Bill Belicheat does every year ...


  • 0




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users