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Jets fan since 1964 when my Dad transferred from Buffalo to NYC area, aka my 50th year, been watching NFL since 1960 at Head Coach Buster Ramseys house in Hamburg NY (parents were friends/neighbors ) as he/staff broke down film in his basement I was introduced into NFL via XsOs more than just watching the game.

 

I like to think I've seen mostly it all by now. 

But..

The Time Out literally had me in shock. I am not kidding, I sat there silent. Ask John, aka, GreenBeans, I sit next to him a Jets bar in Raleigh.

I get 'when whistle blows' there is no recourse, but, wtf, there has to be a NEW protocol introduced for Refs to make sure only the HC makes the TO call..

 

 

Whilst I am on subject, I have seen this way too many times w/jets , aka, 12 men on field. That INT might have been game changing where it was on field.

My point to Rex and discipline/teaching: THERE is NO Time clock when players run off the damn field BECAUSE the QB can quick count snap. Is it THAT HARD a concept to get your damn players off field and hustle a tad for fear of qucik count snap?

If Rex is ever dismissed by Idzik the 'silver bullet' Idzik will use between the lines of praise of Rex in Presser when he is canned will be the continued lack of discipline etc.

 

Ok ,Ole Man getting a cup of Joe, talk to you later...

 

 

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Oh I forgot:

 

Geno INT before Halftime on Marty IMHO:

Why in Gods name would you even RISK letting  GB back in game at that point near halftime and shift momentum.

I would have run or thrown dumpoffs that could be picked and went into locker room up 21-9 or 24-9.

We got greedy on road and it bit us.

 
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The timeout and substitutions-in Year 6 Rex Ryan cannot do things high school coaches do on Day 1.Watched enough of that the last few years to see again football teamS at the lowest levels KNOW that you seek out the guy you're subbing for or getting subbed out for,  and get on and   off the field quickly  so a smart QB like Rdogers doesn't snap it quick like that.  He is a very good defensive cooridnator, but his job description is head coach. 

 

And how does anyone get thrown out of a game for fighting, on a PAT? 

 

Timeouts are wastef for nonsense every game. 

 

This is basic stuff and Ryan's teams cannot master it. 

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The timeout and substitutions-in Year 6 Rex Ryan cannot do things high school coaches do on Day 1.Watched enough of that the last few years to see again football teamS at the lowest levels KNOW that you seek out the guy you're subbing for or getting subbed out for,  and get on and   off the field quickly  so a smart QB like Rdogers doesn't snap it quick like that.  He is a very good defensive cooridnator, but his job description is head coach. 

 

And how does anyone get thrown out of a game for fighting, on a PAT? 

 

Timeouts are wastef for nonsense every game. 

 

This is basic stuff and Ryan's teams cannot master it. 

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lack of discipline is inexcusable. even after richardon had his "boyitell ya sheldon love the heart but tone it down a bit" speech from rex he was smiling like he just won the Preakness walking to the locker room. parcells would've twisted his head around by his facemask or even more likely the player would've tried to avoid him while going to the lockerroom.

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lack of discipline is inexcusable. even after richardon had his "boyitell ya sheldon love the heart but tone it down a bit" speech from rex he was smiling like he just won the Preakness walking to the locker room. parcells would've twisted his head around by his facemask or even more likely the player would've tried to avoid him while going to the lockerroom.

they  dont fear Rex one bit, would rather have a beer with him. Thats never a good situation in  a league with millionaires.

 

Parcells used to say 'one of only things I had to hold against the player millionaires was yelling at them and embarrassing them on national TV in front of friends/family, they HATED that and avoided at all costs'

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they  dont fear Rex one bit, would rather have a beer with him. Thats never a good situation in  a league with millionaires.

 

Parcells used to say 'one of only things I had to hold against the player millionaires was yelling at them and embarrassing them on national TV in front of friends/family, they HATED that and avoided at all costs'

 

my wife asked me what "chippy" meant after the announcer said it--i told her it means the jets are pissing away another one

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Oh I forgot:

 

Geno INT before Halftime on Marty IMHO:

Why in Gods name would you even RISK letting  GB back in game at that point near halftime and shift momentum.

I would have run or thrown dumpoffs that could be picked and went into locker room up 21-9 or 24-9.

We got greedy on road and it bit us.

 

marty is the goat in this one. i don't blame geno. kid played his ass off but was put in a horrible situation to end the half by marty and made the throw to tie it up in the end, which was negated by marty.

 

after that pick did any jets fan honestly think there was a chance GB didn't march down the field and score??

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marty is the goat in this one.

For the recrod, we don;t really know that yet (if we're talking the Timeout).

For all we know, Marty might have been yelling "Rex, call Timeout, Rex, call Timeout!" and the Ref just heard "a voice" call timeout and blew the whistle.

Frankly, it's a pretty huge Ref ****up, covered up by the announcers rather patheticly. The Ref is REQUIRED to know who is calling the Timeout, because if they blow a whistle and end a play because some loud FAN called Timeout.....whelp. The fact it was Marty is irrelevant, the Refs ****ed up and it cost us on that one, and the league should discipline those Refs for it.

Turn your head, see who is calling it, then blow.....not vice versa.

On the broader Marty's Job front, he was ok yesterday, if anything we were too conservative IMO, relying on a completely non-working running game when we needed to boot-on-neck the Pack and score, knowing what the Pack was capable of doing to our D. /shrug, thats Rex tho, killed by conservativism rather often.

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TBH, I like the shot towards the endzone before half.  Step on their throat.  Bummer it was picked.  But it beats the run run pass punt predictability of the Paul Hackett days.  Geno was getting hit as he threw it.  Hindsight, he probably should have taken the sack instead of trying to make that throw.

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For the recrod, we don;t really know that yet (if we're talking the Timeout).

For all we know, Marty might have been yelling "Rex, call Timeout, Rex, call Timeout1" and the Ref just heard "a voice" call timeout and blew the whistle.

Frankly, it's a pretty huge Ref ****up, covered up by the announcers rather patheticly. The Ref is REQUIRED to know who is calling the Timeout, because if they blow a whistle and end a play because some loud FAN called Timeout.....whelp. The fact it was Marty is irrelevant, the Refs ****ed up and it cost us on that one, and the league should discipline those Refs for it.

Turn your head, see who is calling it, then blow.....not vice versa.

 

maybe a better question is why aren't the OC and HC standing next to each other during the most critical series of the game?

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Oh I forgot:

Geno INT before Halftime on Marty IMHO:

Why in Gods name would you even RISK letting GB back in game at that point near halftime and shift momentum.

I would have run or thrown dumpoffs that could be picked and went into locker room up 21-9 or 24-9.

We got greedy on road and it bit us.

1) Winters missed his block which lead to Geno getting hit / int. Nothing wrong with the play call.

2) the D still let GB go 97 yards without much resistance.

3) the TO is overblown. What if Geno had thrown a pick 6? The Jets still converted the 4th down.

4) Jets fans should be more concerned with the lack of discipline, poor use of TOs, continued D substitution screwups.

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1) Winters missed his block which lead to Geno getting hit / int. Nothing wrong with the play call.

 

 

what SJ is saying it why take that risk given current time on clock/lead/being on the road/rodgers/field position? just run it to bring the clock down and try the FG to end the half. even if it wasn't a "poor playcall" in and of itself, those other factors made it an unnecessary risk.

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marty is the goat in this one. i don't blame geno. kid played his ass off but was put in a horrible situation to end the half by marty and made the throw to tie it up in the end, which was negated by marty.

 

after that pick did any jets fan honestly think there was a chance GB didn't march down the field and score??

Johnny-I knew the Jets were going to lose that game when they were up 21-3

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The Time Out literally had me in shock. I am not kidding, I sat there silent. Ask John, aka, GreenBeans, I sit next to him a Jets bar in Raleigh.

 

I get 'when whistle blows' there is no recourse, but, wtf, there has to be a NEW protocol introduced for Refs to make sure only the HC makes the TO call..

 

 

I wasn't silent at all..in fact I was yelling things that alarmed the neighbors.

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what SJ is saying it why take that risk given current time on clock/lead/being on the road/rodgers/field position? just run it to bring the clock down and try the FG to end the half. even if it wasn't a "poor playcall" in and of itself, those other factors made it an unnecessary risk.

They were aggressive. When they go conservative fans yell to open it up. If Winters makes his block and Geno throws a TD everyone would be saying "great call/play...go for the kill"

If your D is as great as your HC says it is you still stop them from going 97 yards.

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The Time Out literally had me in shock. I am not kidding, I sat there silent. Ask John, aka, GreenBeans, I sit next to him a Jets bar in Raleigh.

 

I get 'when whistle blows' there is no recourse, but, wtf, there has to be a NEW protocol introduced for Refs to make sure only the HC makes the TO call..

 

 

I wasn't silent at all..in fact I was yelling things that alarmed the neighbors.

 

i did not realize only HC could call timeout. rex needs to have his DC stand next to him on defense and OC stand next to him on offense. so they can turn their head and say "coach, our guys are out of position. i do heartily recommend that thou dost calleth a timeout," rather then running down the field like a crazy man doing jumping jacks screaming "TIMEOUT! TIMEOUT!!!!" i should charge for this advice.

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1) Winters missed his block which lead to Geno getting hit / int. Nothing wrong with the play call.

2) the D still let GB go 97 yards without much resistance.

3) the TO is overblown. What if Geno had thrown a pick 6? The Jets still converted the 4th down.

4) Jets fans should be more concerned with the lack of discipline, poor use of TOs, continued D substitution screwups.

Straw Man.

WHY give pack chance to go 97 yards, make sso little XsOs sense and only appeals to macho type personna.

Qe had Mo, we had lead, crowd out of it, we had ball i n3Q, THEY had best QB in NFL. IF you throw in endzone do it after clock milked and Pack uses TOs so Rodgers has 30 seconds or so.

 

Basic Football 101 there says you run, throw uninterceptable balls while enuf time on clock for Pck to score (dumpoffs etc) and go into half up 21-9, 24-9 or 28-9 if the best YAC RB last 4 yrs in nFL, CJ, gets  a screen and hits it, OR we thro win endzone with minimal time on clock.

 

I think we saw what happens (blown blocks, gust if wind, seagull hits ball) when you have a sure thing and the ever important 'going into hal;ftime Momentum' and get greedy. damn, he hits that TD, GB still has 2 minutes on clock to score, so what is actual Vegas %. We were better off milking clock, TRUST me.

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They were aggressive. When they go conservative fans yell to open it up. If Winters makes his block and Geno throws a TD everyone would be saying "great call/play...go for the kill"

If your D is as great as your HC says it is you still stop them from going 97 yards.

 

we will have to agree to disagree. with time expiring in the half on the road with a top 3 QB on the otherside, you don't give him one last shot. you protect the lead. but that's just my opinion.

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They were aggressive. When they go conservative fans yell to open it up. If Winters makes his block and Geno throws a TD everyone would be saying "great call/play...go for the kill"

If your D is as great as your HC says it is you still stop them from going 97 yards.

so so wrong in THIS particular scenario, on road, with crowd out of game. 

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i would've bet my childrens' lives that rodgers would march down for the score as soon as that pass was picked off.

of course, which is why a endzone thro wmade no sense w/that much left on clock. u run. thnrow uninterceptable dumpff passes and if u still keep drive alive, throw deep when less than 30 seconds on clock..

 

Basic almost halftime lead on road vs favored team 101

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1) Winters missed his block which lead to Geno getting hit / int. Nothing wrong with the play call.

2) the D still let GB go 97 yards without much resistance.

3) the TO is overblown. What if Geno had thrown a pick 6? The Jets still converted the 4th down.

4) Jets fans should be more concerned with the lack of discipline, poor use of TOs, continued D substitution screwups.

 

+1

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or be aggressive with 7 seconds on clock and kick FG if you fail or leave no time for rodgers if it is picked.

yup. if we were smart there, it was 100% gurannteed it would have ben 21-9, 24-9 or 28-9 if CJ breaks a screen or we hit endzone throw with less than 30 seconds on clock AND we have ever important Momemtum going into halftime.

We gave a listless  on life support GB team life.

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Rex was such a breath of fresh air post Mangina and that BS read and react $hit.  Been a fan of his shift toward attacking football. I've liked Rex and thought the bitching about him was for the most part silly. 

 

I've read lots of the comments about discipline.  Not so that sure discipline is the issue as much as Rex not being being in control.  In the absence of strong leadership, folks run wild.

 

Sheldon shouldn't have felt that the team "needed help" calling a timeout. It's the HC's job.

On a fourth down for the game, there shouldn't be an OC second guessing about the play call.

 

The 10 and 12 men issues - not a problem with a discipline.  Its a problem with confusion and there is way too much confusion stemming from too many folks trying to take leadership where there is a lack of leadership from a HC.

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how did it work out?

 

smarter better than aggressive 'sometimes'

 

#4 is right on though

 

Hindsight is always 20-20.  What if Winters holds his block a microsecond longer, and geno gets the throw off for a touchdown?  Would you still be calling for a FG then?

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FG makes it 31-27.

Who is to say the Jets stop Rodgers no matter how little times is left. Sure didn't stop him from going 97 in a blink of an eye

I give up. We clearly see football through different eyes. We changed the momentum of game by taking away Mo from us at halftime to GB having it at halftime, which was vital. Every future scenario/scoring chance changed by that new data point in algorithm. 

 

To me, it was clearly idiotic to risk Momentum in a tuf stadium vs great QB. Try endzone throw with less than 30 seconds or so on clock if you want, but that early with Rodgers on sideline, uhuh, is not the smart move.

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