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Ryan to Blame for Jets Discipline Problems in Green Bay

By Steve Politi | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2014/09/rex_ryan_to_blame_for_jets_discipline_problems_in_green_bay_politi.html

Sheldon Richardson blamed himself for the time out that cost the Jets any chance of an upset in Green Bay, saying he saw offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg trying to call one and just wanted to make sure the referee heard him.

Mornhinweg, in turn, seemed to blame the ref in a text message to Yahoo! Sports, saying that he was trying to get head coach Rex Ryan's attention over a formation problem, but then changed his mind when quarterback Geno Smith fixed the problem.

“Ref called the TO anyway,” Mornhinweg said.

But the real culprit here is the man in charge, even if he had nothing directly to do with this one. It seems like an easy storyline – Jets find another crazy way to lose! – but is anyone really surprised that a Rex Ryan team lacked discipline?

This has been a problem for six years. Ryan has a wonderful defensive mind. He is an excellent motivator who has gotten the most out of his teams. He is a coach whose players respect him and, in many cases, genuinely seem to love him.

He also has a shaky history of keeping them from doing the bonehead things that lose football games and, sometimes, torpedo entire seasons.

The loss in Green Bay, a game that started brilliantly for the underdog Jets, is just another example. It wasn't just Richardson – who, we should remind readers, is DEFENSIVE TACKLE – whispering in the referee's ear when even Pop Warner players know that the head coach, and only the head coach, should call time outs.

It was Muhammad Wilkerson showing an uncharacteristic lack of judgment, throwing a punch after a two-point conversion gave Green Bay a 24-21 lead and needing a police escort out of Lambeau Field. It was Damon Harrison getting flagged as the 12th man on the field (he was a half step from the sideline) to erase a David Harris interception in the third quarter that could have turned the momentum back to the visiting team.

It was as if the Jets, who displayed poise and a smart game plan in the first 20 minutes of this trip, had football lobotomy sometime before halftime. Then again, it wouldn't be the first time that's happened, either.

This is a team, under Ryan, that once watched as Santonio Holmes put one foot on the ball and flap his wings like an eagle after a touchdown in Philadelphia – one that cut the Eagles' lead to a mere 18 points.

This is a team, under Ryan, that's had no shortage of anonymous quotes from one teammate ripping another, most notably when Tim Tebow was the backup quarterback two years ago. Or even non-anonymous quotes, for that matter, as in Antonio Cromartie calling Patriots quarterback Tom Brady a naughty name.

This is a team, under Ryan, that had a ridiculous number of penalties last season (108, to be exact), including 20 of them in one game – a victory, somehow, over the Bills – and are among the most penalized this season.

This is a team, under Ryan, that had to deal with his own inability to hold back – a middle finger at a martial arts event in 2009, a yelled obscenity to a Patriots fan that got caught on video in 2011 – although, in fairness, he seems to have learned his lesson.

Ryan has plenty of the qualities you'd want in a head coach, but when you embrace a coach who brings a bag of cheeseburgers onto the field with the HBO cameras rolling, you're taking the bad with the good.

The bad is what happened in Green Bay. It wasn't Ryan who screwed up in what will go down in Jets lore as The Time Out Game, but given the lack of discipline under his watch the past six years, it shouldn't surprise anyone.

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New England is second in the league with 12 penalties per game so far this year. Belichick has completely lost control of his team!!! 

 

You know what? I could come up with a list like this for literally EVERY team in the NFL. 

 

the difference is lack of accountability on the n y j

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lol so now discipline is the coachs responsibility? smh

 

LOL

 

A bit wispy on the examples here, as I thought he could have done a more thorough takedown on the topic.

 

Agreed.

 

So which JN poster wrote this article ?

 

None. JN posters would have invoked many more detailed examples, as T0mshane is alluding to.

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New England is second in the league with 12 penalties per game so far this year. Belichick has completely lost control of his team!!! 

 

You know what? I could come up with a list like this for literally EVERY team in the NFL. 

 

It isn't the amount of penalties, as much as it is the type of penalties, when they occur and how they impact the game.

 

Week 1 vs. Oakland we let the worst roster in the NFL hang with us. Week 2 vs. Green Bay we had them right where we wanted them and then we melted down.

 

The Patriots also let themselves get beat in Week 1 because of penalties, and the fanbase was livid over it. So, your example does nothing but actually reinforce the validity of why lack of discipline and excessive penalties is unacceptable. 

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the difference is lack of accountability on the n y j

 

I totally disagree. I think there is more accountability. The media makes a mountain out of every minor issue with the Jets. On other teams, these thing barely get a mention from the ESPN's and Fox Sports' of the world. 

 

The Jets are tied for the 3 fewest arrests in the NFL over the last 15 years. 

 

Where were the articles about the circuses in Minnesota and Baltimore, which are currently 1st and 2nd in total team arrests over that span until the past week when we finally actually saw what a couple of their players were arrested for?

 

I read exactly zero about it until each team had a star running back get benched or suspended in high profile cases. 

 

Why is no one questioning Ozzie Newsome's accountability when 43 of his players have been arrested? 

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It isn't the amount of penalties, as much as it is the type of penalties, when they occur and how they impact the game.

 

Week 1 vs. Oakland we let the worst roster in the NFL hang with us. Week 2 vs. Green Bay we had them right where we wanted them and then we melted down.

 

The Patriots also let themselves get beat in Week 1 because of penalties, and the fanbase was livid over it. So, your example does nothing but actually reinforce the validity of why lack of discipline and excessive penalties is unacceptable. 

 

Oh give me a ******* break. You act like the Jets are the only team that ever commits ill-timed penalties. 

 

How about the way we beat the Pats last year? That was an ill-timed penalty by the Pats no?

 

Watch more football. 

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It isn't the amount of penalties, as much as it is the type of penalties, when they occur and how they impact the game.

 

Week 1 vs. Oakland we let the worst roster in the NFL hang with us. Week 2 vs. Green Bay we had them right where we wanted them and then we melted down.

 

The Patriots also let themselves get beat in Week 1 because of penalties, and the fanbase was livid over it. So, your example does nothing but actually reinforce the validity of why lack of discipline and excessive penalties is unacceptable. 

 

Our fanbase wasn't living over the number of penalties in a win on opening day?

 

Where is this alleged lack of accountability?

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I totally disagree. I think there is more accountability. The media makes a mountain out of every minor issue with the Jets. On other teams, these thing barely get a mention from the ESPN's and Fox Sports' of the world. 

 

The Jets are tied for the 3 fewest arrests in the NFL over the last 15 years. 

 

Where were the articles about the circuses in Minnesota and Baltimore, which are currently 1st and 2nd in total team arrests over that span until the past week when we finally actually saw what a couple of their players were arrested for?

 

I read exactly zero about it until each team had a star running back get benched or suspended in high profile cases. 

 

Why is no one questioning Ozzie Newsome's accountability when 43 of his players have been arrested? 

 

when rex wins a superbowl he can yuck it up and boyitellya as much as he wants. players dont care as much about media then the coach getting in his face on national tv and benching his ass. rex should bench mo for the first quarter this week. but we all know he won't.

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New England is second in the league with 12 penalties per game so far this year. Belichick has completely lost control of his team!!! 

 

You know what? I could come up with a list like this for literally EVERY team in the NFL. 

This is the point that everyone seems to miss.  Do we want to see the penalties and discipline tightened up....of course.  Is every other team in the league penalty free (except for Packers O-line on Sunday :) and extremely disciplined?  Of course not, we just see our own team every week.

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Oh give me a ******* break. You act like the Jets are the only team that ever commits ill-timed penalties. 

 

How about the way we beat the Pats last year? That was an ill-timed penalty by the Pats no?

 

Watch more football. 

 

So dramatic.

 

How am I "acting like the Jets are the only team"? I'm saying that the Jets have historically been a nightmare under Rex. In other words, like your example of the Pats, lots of teams have games where they rack up penalties... and their fans find it as unacceptable as I do. The problem the Jets have is with the problem being persistent and unfixed under Rex Ryan.

 

I don't need to watch more football to know that a team that historically has unfixed issues with discipline and penalties, and only one common denominator in leadership, has a problem with their leadership.

 

If you are content to forgive the poor leadership of this team, and don't hold them to high standards, and are content to see them make the same mistakes year after year, then that is your prerogative. However, you should check yourself before lashing out at people that expect improvement upon a problem that has been persistent throughout the head coach's entire tenure.

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No, the problem with the Jets is the problem with most teams in the NFL... lack of talent. That's on Idzik.

 

By this logic, you suggest that under Tannenbam we had tons of talent and Rex wasn't running biggest slap dick team in the league. 

 

Which would be wrong. This roster has more talent now than it did at the end of Tannenbaum's run. 

 

Don't let me get between you and your penchant for making the dumbest comments of the day.

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Oh give me a ******* break. You act like the Jets are the only team that ever commits ill-timed penalties. 

 

How about the way we beat the Pats last year? That was an ill-timed penalty by the Pats no?

 

Watch more football. 

 

I'm convinced that nobody on this site watches any other game than the Jets.  Therefore, have no clue that 95% of the bullsh*t they complain about with the Jets happens every where else in the league.

 

Chuck Pagano choked away a 20-6 lead in the 4th quarter last night at home.   Jim Harbaugh choked away a 20-7 4th quarter lead last week at home. Pete Carroll's vaunted Seattle's defense got smoked by Philip Rivers and Antonio Gates and couldnt make an adjustment....but hey its cool, because they're not Rex and the Jets and the Jets are held to higher standard even though they're a ******* terrible organization that has given their fanbase no reason to expect more.  

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Our fanbase wasn't living over the number of penalties in a win on opening day?

 

Where is this alleged lack of accountability?

 

Is this English?

 

Lack of accountability:

 

 

 

Rex Ryan will be back coaching the New York Jets next season, but he'll be working with a new general manager. The Jets fired GM Mike Tannenbaum on Monday, one day after the team finished off a dismal 6-10 season with a 28-9 loss to the Buffalo Bills.
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So dramatic.

 

How am I "acting like the Jets are the only team"? I'm saying that the Jets have historically been a nightmare under Rex. In other words, like your example of the Pats, lots of teams have games where they rack up penalties... and their fans find it as unacceptable as I do. The problem the Jets have is with the problem being persistent and unfixed under Rex Ryan.

 

I don't need to watch more football to know that a team that historically has unfixed issues with discipline and penalties, and only one common denominator in leadership, has a problem with their leadership.

 

If you are content to forgive the poor leadership of this team, and don't hold them to high standards, and are content to see them make the same mistakes year after year, then that is your prerogative. However, you should check yourself before lashing out at people that expect improvement upon a problem that has been persistent throughout the head coach's entire tenure.

 

Except they really haven't been. 

 

In 2009, the Jets committed the 13th fewest penalties in the league. 

 

In 2010: they were middle of the pack at 18th. 

 

In 2011: they were 18th again. 

 

In 2012: the Jets committed the third FEWEST penalties in the NFL. 

 

In 2013: they were 23rd in a year in which the most penalized team in the league won the ******* Super Bowl. 

 

Watch more football.

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I'm convinced that nobody on this site watches any other game than the Jets.  Therefore, have no clue that 95% of the bullsh*t they complain about with the Jets happens every where else in the league.

 

Yeah, you always hear, "only the Jets!" and stuff like that. How about when San Diego's kicker missed like 3 chip shots against us in the playoffs? Or last year, when Tampa committed that late hit that set us up to win? Or last year when the Patriots committed a similar mistake against us with the push? I remember a Cowboys/Broncos game from back when Tebow was QB of the Broncos.... Cowboys had the lead very late in the 4th, just had to run out the clock, and their running back chooses to go out of bounds. Every team has this stuff.

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Yeah, you always hear, "only the Jets!" and stuff like that. How about when San Diego's kicker missed like 3 chip shots against us in the playoffs? Or last year, when Tampa committed that late hit that set us up to win? Or last year when the Patriots committed a similar mistake against us with the push? I remember a Cowboys/Broncos game from back when Tebow was QB of the Broncos.... Cowboys had the lead very late in the 4th, just had to run out the clock, and their running back chooses to go out of bounds. Every team has this stuff.

 

don't care if every girl cheats on her man, i only care if mine does

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I'm convinced that nobody on this site watches any other game than the Jets.  Therefore, have no clue that 95% of the bullsh*t they complain about with the Jets happens every where else in the league.

 

Chuck Pagano choked away a 20-6 lead in the 4th quarter last night at home.   Jim Harbaugh choked away a 20-7 4th quarter lead last week at home. Pete Carroll's vaunted Seattle's defense got smoked by Philip Rivers and Antonio Gates and couldnt make an adjustment....but hey its cool, because they're not Rex and the Jets and the Jets are held to higher standard even though they're a ******* terrible organization that has given their fanbase no reason to expect more.  

 

Probably right, but I'm in the 5% that pretty much only watches out-of-market games. I haven't lived in the tri-state area for 20 years.

 

If I were a Colts fan or 49ers fan I'd be just as bent. Harbaugh got schooled. Pagano ran out of bodies and answers. The thing is, I don't come to JetNation to discuss the Colts. I also know that neither coach has established a track record for undisciplined football like Rex has.

 

The assertion that because other teams choked away wins makes it okay that the Jets did is the most disgusting part of your counterpoint. Shameful.

 

Dumb JIF is dumb. As usual.

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Yeah, you always hear, "only the Jets!" and stuff like that. How about when San Diego's kicker missed like 3 chip shots against us in the playoffs? Or last year, when Tampa committed that late hit that set us up to win? Or last year when the Patriots committed a similar mistake against us with the push? I remember a Cowboys/Broncos game from back when Tebow was QB of the Broncos.... Cowboys had the lead very late in the 4th, just had to run out the clock, and their running back chooses to go out of bounds. Every team has this stuff.

 

Nope. The Jets are the only team in the NFL, in all of sports actually, that ever commits penalties at the most inopportune time. 

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Yeah, you always hear, "only the Jets!" and stuff like that. How about when San Diego's kicker missed like 3 chip shots against us in the playoffs? Or last year, when Tampa committed that late hit that set us up to win? Or last year when the Patriots committed a similar mistake against us with the push? I remember a Cowboys/Broncos game from back when Tebow was QB of the Broncos.... Cowboys had the lead very late in the 4th, just had to run out the clock, and their running back chooses to go out of bounds. Every team has this stuff.

 

Exactly...but like jgb says below...she's not my girlfriend!  haha.  We just have very short-sighted fan base.  Shocks me considering how bad we've been historically but whatever...some fans cant see the trees through the forest and dont realize half of what they complain about happens everywhere. 

 

don't care if every girl cheats on her man, i only care if mine does

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