Tony The Wiz Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I said when the Jets drafted Geno that he be a below average QB. What he had over Sanchez was his running ability but they are both the same kind of QB. Both have the accuracy problems, can't adjust to defenses and are turnover prone. These are three big flaws if you want to play in the National Football League. Itzek will never have him benched and Ryan will get fired this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Geno will not be benched. He needs to sink or swim as a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Nitwitzik! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 For all those who say its da weaponzz why not start vick and when he stinks you will know whether its da weaponzzz or the qb. Geno fans should be begging for vick to get a start if youre so confident geno is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmmiske Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Let's not forget that Geno is only a SECOND year/ SECOND round pick. Is greatly scrutinized by his decision making, which I find more of a problem than his accuracy which u said. He has been playing with no weapons at all. Geno has showed improvements week in and week out which are sometimes overshadowed by his poor decisions. Poor decisions are also mistakes that can be corrected unlike Sanchez's lack of accuracy especially on his deep ball. The jets have successfully moved the football down field this season, and are missing a go-to guy in the red zone, or perhaps can be put on Mornhinwegs play calling in the red zone. To give Geno this much heat is unfair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Let's not forget that Geno is only a SECOND year/ SECOND round pick. Is greatly scrutinized by his decision making, which I find more of a problem than his accuracy which u said. He has been playing with no weapons at all. Geno has showed improvements week in and week out which are sometimes overshadowed by his poor decisions. Poor decisions are also mistakes that can be corrected unlike Sanchez's lack of accuracy especially on his deep ball. The jets have successfully moved the football down field this season, and are missing a go-to guy in the red zone, or perhaps can be put on Mornhinwegs play calling in the red zone. To give Geno this much heat is unfair DA WEAPPPOONNZZZZ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony The Wiz Posted September 23, 2014 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 Let's not forget that Geno is only a SECOND year/ SECOND round pick. Is greatly scrutinized by his decision making, which I find more of a problem than his accuracy which u said. He has been playing with no weapons at all. Geno has showed improvements week in and week out which are sometimes overshadowed by his poor decisions. Poor decisions are also mistakes that can be corrected unlike Sanchez's lack of accuracy especially on his deep ball. The jets have successfully moved the football down field this season, and are missing a go-to guy in the red zone, or perhaps can be put on Mornhinwegs play calling in the red zone. To give Geno this much heat is unfair So because he is a second round pick we have to have more patience. That was the old NFL. These QBS coming out of college are much more prepared for the NFL. Geno had 4 exhibition games last year and 16 regular season games and 4 more this year. What I am saying he should improve but he is doing the same mistakes game after game. Mental errors and some accuracy errors. Ray Lucas is stating the same thing I am saying and he was a NFL QB. The play that sums this up and that was the last offensive play for the Jets in this game. It is 4th down and when you throw a fade in the end zone you have to let the ball stay in the end zone and let your receiver fight for the ball. It is fourth down so and interception doesn't hurt you but you throw it to far out of the end zone where your receiver has no chance to get his feet in. That is bad accuracy and bad decision making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 We are three games into the season and many Jet analysts are SCREAMING for Vick to take over at QB. I concur with Namath, nothing about Smith is outstanding to me. Yeah he has some decent intangibles and he's really raw and young, needs to learn, has sparse weapons blah blah blah....Bottom line, we are getting a good sense of what he can do, what he fails to do and what he continues to do. Geno continues to make blatant mistakes, underthrows, overthrows, holding onto the ball too long, not throwing the ball away, throwing into double coverage, not protecting the ball, etc etc etc. Yes, young QB's make mistakes but you just don't see this kind of stuff from young stud QB's like Luck, Foles, Griffin, Russell, Flacco, Ryan, Kapernick..... Smith is more in the vein of a Tannehill, Manuel, Locker, Henne, Sanchez. The negatives are just too glaring and the positives are just insufficient to warrant sacrificing the season for the 'maturation of Geno Smith'. We have been down this road before with Sanchez. It took the Jets 5 years to cut ties with Sanchez because he was Tanny's pick and he believed in him and extended his contract. I hope we don't make the same mistake with Smith. Its time to sit Smith down and let Vick take over. Vick can sustain drives, is a huge upgrade in the red zone and would provide hope and leadership to a floundering, bumbling team. BUT, alas I don't see it happening because Smith is Idziot's pick. I believe Rex doesn't have the say so to sit Smith. Idziot will stick with Smith until he falls flat on his face for another 2 years. He can then ride in and 'rescue' the team and put in another qb and proclaim himself savior. Its a win win for Idziot and a loss lose for Jet fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Basically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 You can't make somebody a baseball player if they can't hit a curveball. And there are thousands of players who never make it too the major leagues because they CAN'T hit a curveball. You can't make someone a successful pro football quarterback no matter how much they study. Either the ability and thought processes are there or they aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 So because he is a second round pick we have to have more patience. That was the old NFL. These QBS coming out of college are much more prepared for the NFL. Geno had 4 exhibition games last year and 16 regular season games and 4 more this year. What I am saying he should improve but he is doing the same mistakes game after game. Mental errors and some accuracy errors. Ray Lucas is stating the same thing I am saying and he was a NFL QB. The play that sums this up and that was the last offensive play for the Jets in this game. It is 4th down and when you throw a fade in the end zone you have to let the ball stay in the end zone and let your receiver fight for the ball. It is fourth down so and interception doesn't hurt you but you throw it to far out of the end zone where your receiver has no chance to get his feet in. That is bad accuracy and bad decision making. Yep might as well do the old sandlot play where everyone goes to the end zone and you loft it in the middle and hope for the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Nitwitzik! no Its Idziot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Let's not forget that Geno is only a SECOND year/ SECOND round pick. Is greatly scrutinized by his decision making, which I find more of a problem than his accuracy which u said. He has been playing with no weapons at all. Geno has showed improvements week in and week out which are sometimes overshadowed by his poor decisions. Poor decisions are also mistakes that can be corrected unlike Sanchez's lack of accuracy especially on his deep ball. The jets have successfully moved the football down field this season, and are missing a go-to guy in the red zone, or perhaps can be put on Mornhinwegs play calling in the red zone. To give Geno this much heat is unfair The Jets are missing a red zone target like you are missing vital brain cells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmmiske Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 So because he is a second round pick we have to have more patience. That was the old NFL. These QBS coming out of college are much more prepared for the NFL. Geno had 4 exhibition games last year and 16 regular season games and 4 more this year. What I am saying he should improve but he is doing the same mistakes game after game. Mental errors and some accuracy errors. Ray Lucas is stating the same thing I am saying and he was a NFL QB. The play that sums this up and that was the last offensive play for the Jets in this game. It is 4th down and when you throw a fade in the end zone you have to let the ball stay in the end zone and let your receiver fight for the ball. It is fourth down so and interception doesn't hurt you but you throw it to far out of the end zone where your receiver has no chance to get his feet in. That is bad accuracy and bad decision making. All good points, and I am not here to say Geno WILL be the answer. I just think you have to wait it out a little longer to see if the mental side of his game is something that can be worked out. If they can be, then we may have ourselves a future with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 All good points, and I am not here to say Geno WILL be the answer. I just think you have to wait it out a little longer to see if the mental side of his game is something that can be worked out. If they can be, then we may have ourselves a future with him Ok lets give it another minute..............................................times up. See ya Geno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmmiske Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Ok lets give it another minute..............................................times up. See ya Geno. Ok fair enough. Now who's the QB? And for the future? If you think a simple QB exchange from Geno to Vick makes them contenders, then you mistaken. This team has holes everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Are we willing to give up wins on the chance he develops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Ok fair enough. Now who's the QB? And for the future? If you think a simple QB exchange from Geno to Vick makes them contenders, then you mistaken. This team has holes everywhere. Yeah. But this one may be fixable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Ok fair enough. Now who's the QB? And for the future? If you think a simple QB exchange from Geno to Vick makes them contenders, then you mistaken. This team has holes everywhere. Yes holes everywhere but what team doesn't? Vick brings maturity, sense, talent, better decision making, experience, is a better athlete, has the backing of the team (ex-Jets included), can sustain drives, is a better red zone QB, is more elusive, and cant be any worse as far as turnovers are concerned. Bottom line.....Vick gives the team a MUCH better chance to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmmiske Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Really because I've seen Vick in Philly and if I'm not mistaken their red zone stats are nothing to brag about. I've also see MV throw many senseless and awful INTs. As far as elusiveness, MV was losing his step on everyone before he lost his job to Foles, can't imagine it's any better at the age of 34. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Really because I've seen Vick in Philly and if I'm not mistaken their red zone stats are nothing to brag about. I've also see MV throw many senseless and awful INTs. As far as elusiveness, MV was losing his step on everyone before he lost his job to Foles, can't imagine it's any better at the age of 34. If youre right, why are you so threatened by vick starting? After the huge turd that fell out of genos forever gaping mouth tonight, it might do him good to sit on the pine, remember this is a kid who threatned to bail on the draft and fly home after his name wasnt called in the first round--his agent, knowing such a pussy move would cause him to drop even further, convinced him to stay. Yes the scene in Draft Day with the top qb prospect was modeled on genos behavior that day. I for one am curious if he has really matured much in this league. Would he take a benching in stride, or try to run just like he tried to do from the green room from radio city music hall two years ago? His response to a benching will tell us a lot more about whether he has the temperament to even become The Guy than watching him flail through a game against the Lions will. Make no mistake, lions are going to pulverize the jets whether we start geno or vick. Good timing to send him a message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 If youre right, why are you so threatened by vick starting? After the huge turd that fell out of genos forever gaping mouth tonight, it might do him good to sit on the pine, remember this is a kid who threatned to bail on the draft and fly home after his name wasnt called in the first round--his agent, knowing such a pussy move would cause him to drop even further, convinced him to stay. Yes the scene in Draft Day with the top qb prospect was modeled on genos behavior that day. I for one am curious if he has really matured much in this league. Would he take a benching in stride, or try to run just like he tried to do from the green room from radio city music hall two years ago? His response to a benching will tell us a lot more about whether he has the temperament to even become The Guy than watching him flail through a game against the Lions will. Make no mistake, lions are going to pulverize the jets whether we start geno or vick. Good timing to send him a message. I disagree. If Vick starts we win. If Vick relieves Smith, we have a chance to win. But neither will occur. Smith is here to stay and aint goin nowhere anytime soon. I say at least for the next 2 years we are stuck watching this garbage. I do agree that sitting Smith would be an excellent idea. First it gives us a chance to salvage the season. Second, it sends a message to little boy blue that incompetence will not be tolerated. Either sheet or get off the pot. It is on the sidelines watching Vick that Smith can REALLY learn. It also provides the opportunity to see how Smith reacts to this 'benching'. Regardles of this 'benching', Smith is the 'future' of this team for the time being. Lets see what kind of resilience he really has. I say he has zippo and has a classic meltdown. "Sheet or get off the pot" is a common English language colloquial expression, used to imply a person should follow up their stated intentions with action. It is also used to urge someone to complete a task with a greater degree of efficiency or timeliness than is observed at the time the expression is used. Implicit in the expression is that the person, by failing to act, is preventing others from acting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmmiske Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 If youre right, why are you so threatened by vick starting? After the huge turd that fell out of genos forever gaping mouth tonight, it might do him good to sit on the pine, remember this is a kid who threatned to bail on the draft and fly home after his name wasnt called in the first round--his agent, knowing such a pussy move would cause him to drop even further, convinced him to stay. Yes the scene in Draft Day with the top qb prospect was modeled on genos behavior that day. I for one am curious if he has really matured much in this league. Would he take a benching in stride, or try to run just like he tried to do from the green room from radio city music hall two years ago? His response to a benching will tell us a lot more about whether he has the temperament to even become The Guy than watching him flail through a game against the Lions will. Make no mistake, lions are going to pulverize the jets whether we start geno or vick. Good timing to send him a message. Screw sending a message. Let him keep playing. He strings together 2-3 more weeks like this and makes mistakes that costs them ball games, it shows that he hadn't learned, and he is not the future. Don't drag out the QB issue any longer than it has to. Either watch him crash and burn or learn and get better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Screw sending a message. Let him keep playing. He strings together 2-3 more weeks like this and makes mistakes that costs them ball games, it shows that he hadn't learned, and he is not the future. Don't drag out the QB issue any longer than it has to. Either watch him crash and burn or learn and get better Wont happen. Idziot is the second coming of Tanny like Smith is the second coming of Sanchez. Idziot will give Smith every opportunity to prove him a genius since he is his boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmmiske Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I disagree. If Vick starts we win. If Vick relieves Smith, we have a chance to win. But neither will occur. Smith is here to stay and aint goin nowhere anytime soon. I say at least for the next 2 years we are stuck watching this garbage. I do agree that sitting Smith would be an excellent idea. First it gives us a chance to salvage the season. Second, it sends a message to little boy blue that incompetence will not be tolerated. Either sheet or get off the pot. It is on the sidelines watching Vick that Smith can REALLY learn. It also provides the opportunity to see how Smith reacts to this 'benching'. Regardles of this 'benching', Smith is the 'future' of this team for the time being. Lets see what kind of resilience he really has. I say he has zippo and has a classic meltdown. "Sheet or get off the pot" is a common English language colloquial expression, used to imply a person should follow up their stated intentions with action. It is also used to urge someone to complete a task with a greater degree of efficiency or timeliness than is observed at the time the expression is used. Implicit in the expression is that the person, by failing to act, is preventing others from acting. "If" the officials call the PA the right way early the jets have a chance to win. "If" should be scoop n' score gets called properly jets have a chance to win. "If" punt isn't botched jets have a chance to win. Can play ifs all night that put the jets back in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 "If" the officials call the PA the right way early the jets have a chance to win. "If" should be scoop n' score gets called properly jets have a chance to win. "If" punt isn't botched jets have a chance to win. Can play ifs all night that put the jets back in the game. IF Smith continues to QB this team, we are done. No ifs about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmmiske Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 IF Smith continues to QB this team, we are done. No ifs about it. As a fan I hope you are wrong, but that seems like a valid statement after his performance tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenPond Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Dont know if Vick would be a much better option for us. Would rather see Smith getting some playing time an let him learn from his mistakes (in case he does). Could see Vick coming in for Geno, playing 1 or 2 games only to see him running and fumbling the ball around and getting some type of injury (in Vicks case a concussion or brused/broken ribs) and after that we will be right back to Geno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 It's vick time. Geno has progressed but he hasn't reduced the dumb mistakes. He makes more good throws but still makes the same dumb ones. If you let this go too far it's too late. Vick may do no better but I know Geno isn't the long term answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I would not be opposed to seeing Vick get the start, but I don't think it happens yet. Geno's leash should be short, but I am guessing he is still in there against Detroit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscanes331 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 We're not winning the Superbowl this year. Vick isn't the long term answer. Might as well let Geno try and improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Nope. This year is still about evaluating Geno, who is the only potential franchise QB on the roster. Barring a complete capitulation in his play to the point where it would be merciful to take him out, you ride the year out with him at QB. We're not hugely invested in him and we don't have to be. If he isn't good enough over the 16 games then you replace him. Even if Vick was an upgrade and I'm far from convinced he would be, no one will want would feel comfortable going into next season with him as the starter. If we crash with Geno. Draft a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 the only loss so far this season on Geno you could maybe blame on him was last night. he played pretty poorly, missing open WRs, red zone turnovers and taking poor sacks. other then that I'm not upset with his play this season. the main reason we're losing games is because of coaching. why are we running a designed QB draw on the 4 yd line on a 3rd and 3? putting Vick in against OAK and GB when we have the ball inside the 10? it makes absolutely no sense. poor play calling and poor game management. i'm a Rex fan but him and his staff aren't doing a good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big L Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 One more game for Geno Banks. If he sucks again, Vick should start week 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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