Nick Ferraro Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 The history on these coaching/draft pick swaps is clearly on the side of the team getting the coach. The most recent example is Gruden to Tampa Bay. The Raiders got a #1 and a #2, which is considerably more than what the Jets will get for Herm, and they haven't won a thing since. Tampa has a Super Bowl ring and won their division again this year. I know the anit-Herm contingent is happy to get even a bag of balls for the guy. I am not pro-Herm as much as I don't see anyone out there who you can say definitively will be any better. The Jets have made the playoffs in three of Herm's five years. No other coach has done that in team history. Keep in mind that your team was a field goal away from the AFC championship the last time you had a healthy professional-grade starting quarterback. I hope either that fourth or fifth rounder gets you another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 But the one major difference is that the other coaches built up their organizations before they left. Gruden,Vermeil and Parcells had proven track records of building up an organization. Herm took over a playoff caliber squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Ferraro Posted January 5, 2006 Author Share Posted January 5, 2006 The jets were 9-7 and third place the year before Herm. I don't think that matters anyway. The real point of my post is that you are losing what has been the franchise's most successful coach. Can you say this group of available coaches will produce someone who will be better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Nick, your posts are very fair. What is the most tragic about this whole fiasco is that the Jets never seem to learn from their past. Moreso, the fans seem to want a franchise that is in perpetual motion, because the they enjoy the ride so much. Rather than worrying a direction, they just keep getting in line for the rollercoaster ride, because the 3 second ride was just so damn fun. What they tend to neglect is what happens when they are not on the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Nick this is a good point. And it is what I have been saying for a LONG time. Herm is not perfect. So unless you have a perfect replacement lined up don't make the change. Woody will say that Herm wanted to leave. The Fans will say that Herm wanted to leave. Herm will say the organization wanted him gone. But like Nick said 3 out of 5 years in the playoffs is what he did. Is that great? No. Is that the best we have ever had? Yes. Have fun with your new coach Mike Tice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 The jets were 9-7 and third place the year before Herm. I don't think that matters anyway. The real point of my post is that you are losing what has been the franchise's most successful coach. Can you say this group of available coaches will produce someone who will be better? The one thing to remember about Gruden is that the pieces were already in place when he got to Tampa thanks to Dungy. Gruden did do a good job in building Oakland but he did not get them to the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hasty Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 The one thing to remember about Gruden is that the pieces were already in place when he got to Tampa thanks to Dungy. Gruden did do a good job in building Oakland but he did not get them to the Super Bowl. You can't have it both ways. Either Gruden gets credit for the Bucs going to the SB or he should at least get credit for the Raiders going there. Without him, neither team would have been in that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Ferraro Posted January 5, 2006 Author Share Posted January 5, 2006 You can't have it both ways. Either Gruden gets credit for the Bucs going to the SB or he should at least get credit for the Raiders going there. Without him, neither team would have been in that game. Good point. I think Gruden gets some credit for both. Tony Dungy had those same pieces in Tampa, but he couldn't get them over the hump. By the way, all the pieces are in place in KC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 None of these guys mentioned came off a losing season and all 3 were coming off a previous playoff appearance. Also as someone poiunted out all 3 took over teams with losing records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 But the one major difference is that the other coaches built up their organizations before they left. Gruden,Vermeil and Parcells had proven track records of building up an organization. Herm took over a playoff caliber squad. Parcells and Vermeil, and to an extent, Gruden, all built up losing organizations to become winners. Herm did not, yet. He had a winning team in the Jets, and even when they went 6-10, he got his q/b back the next year, and won. So he's not quite on teh level of those guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Good point. I think Gruden gets some credit for both. Tony Dungy had those same pieces in Tampa, but he couldn't get them over the hump. By the way, all the pieces are in place in KC... I disagree with your last point. This is an aging KC team. It is old at every position. There are still holes on defense and they have no WR's to speak of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Slackman Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Nick, Sounds to me like you're evaluating this potential replacement of Herm like Herm himself coaches the games...tentatively and NOT TO LOSE. Don't do anything because you're afraid there isn't a better replacement out there? NO WAY! We should be playing this game of replacing Herm to WIN...not scared and afraid to make a mistake. Herm is either the answer or he's not. Whether there's better out there is unknown...what is known is that Herm is not the guy. He inherited a winner and for a myriad of reasons is leaving it in shambles. I don't know if there's a better coach out there but I do know for SURE that Herm is not the guy. Isn't it ironic that what everyone thinks Herm is - honorable, a winner, a leader...he's proven not to be? He lied to the media about Pennington's injury last year; He has a losing record as a HC; he fired both offensive and defensive coordinators to deflect blame; and now he lied about his desire to go to KC. Basically...the guy is a fraud and I can't get rid of him fast enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Ferraro Posted January 5, 2006 Author Share Posted January 5, 2006 KC's ofensive line is getting old, but they have two more years of elite play in them. They added youth on defense last year. The WRs are a major issue, but they have fewer holes to fill than most teams that missed the post-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 I like this Nick guy. Stick around. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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