heymangold Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 We all know that Tanny would probably have brought in DJax, Revis and maybe even DRC. Idzik wasted 10 out of 12 draft picks, signed Decker and failed to sign any real CBs. what say you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I say this is an unnecessarily redundant thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section 333 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 We all know that Tanny would probably have brought in DJax, Revis and maybe even DRC. Idzik wasted 10 out of 12 draft picks, signed Decker and failed to sign any real CBs. what say you? Good question. I want neither. But what I think you are saying is Idzik or Woody ? The only reason Tanny would have made those (especially D Jax) Is because Woody would have strong armed him into doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Actually, Tanny would still be paying Sanchez $12M, Cromartie $10M, and Revis the $16M / year he would have given him last year. Then you factor in all of the contract renegotiations he would have done to get them under the cap in 2013, and that pretty much eliminates every cent of cap space they have had over the past 2 years. Plus they wouldn't have had the pick they used on Richardson last year. None of this is meant as a defense of Idzik mind you, but simply pointing out that the idea that keeping Tanny would have in any way been a good thing for the Jets is absurd. I'm certain there's plenty of other options at GM that would have the Jets in better shape than they are right now, but there's 7 years of evidence that suggest Tanny's not one of them. He had just as much involvement in building this current sh*t show as anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I'd like someone from the wide swath of gray area between the two of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 We all know that Tanny would probably have brought in DJax, Revis and maybe even DRC. Idzik wasted 10 out of 12 draft picks, signed Decker and failed to sign any real CBs. what say you? I think Idzik has had some terrible moments, but to write off Dozier, McDoulgel, Enemkpali, Reilly, Evans, and Enunwa one month in to their careers is a bit hasty, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Punt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 The real GM had been Rex the whole time so the question is misleading ...#itooktheguywhowillsmashyourfacein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Both suck but at least Tanny tried to field competitive teams. Idzik doesnt seem to have any interest in being competitive, instead he'd rather be known as a shrewd negotiator. Tanny was just a moron. Idzik might not be a moron, he just sucks at his job something awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kay_gee Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 seriously? pining for Tannenbaum? Sanchez next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 At least when Tannenbaum was here, the team was terrible and expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 At least when Tannenbaum was here, the team was terrible and expensive. Clearly giving a massive new contract to an awful draft pick is the much better move than cutting one. Of course it would be nice to actually have draft picks that weren't awful, but I think we need to try to keep our expectations reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Idzik, neither can draft worth sh*t but even if we can can his ass a new coach and front office would be in good shape next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 This has the makings of an epic thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Here's what you have in Idzik: This dude had 12 picks, 50 mil in cap space. He was going into the season with no real shot at winning a SB, instead, the whole season was about seeing what you have in Geno and Rex. So what did he do? He gave Geno, Decker and a washed up CJ. Thats it. He gave Rex, nothing. How the **** do you asses either of them with that type of effort to improve the team? You cant. So now what? You have a bottom 5 roster in the NFL. You got 2, maybe decent players out of 12 in an absolutely stacked draft. You signed 1 worthy FA and did absolutely nothing to build around the QB your forcing down your HC's throat. So now, you're 1-3 with 2 more losses to come before your first division game. You trust this jackass with another offseason? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I could probably punch some of you in the face and within 5 years you'd be thanking me for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Here's what you have in Idzik: This dude had 12 picks, 50 mil in cap space. He was going into the season with no real shot at winning a SB, instead, the whole season was about seeing what you have in Geno and Rex. So what did he do? He gave Geno, Decker and a washed up CJ. Thats it. He gave Rex, nothing. How the **** do you asses either of them with that type of effort to improve the team? You cant. So now what? You have a bottom 5 roster in the NFL. You got 2, maybe decent players out of 12 in an absolutely stacked draft. You signed 1 worthy FA and did absolutely nothing to build around the QB your forcing down your HC's throat. So now, you're 1-3 with 2 more losses to come before your first division game. You trust this jackass with another offseason? lol You blow Chris Ivory every weekend. He didn't trade himself here. You pretend you're knowledgeable in football matters yet refuse to adhere to the 3 year rule when it comes to evaluating a draft. I suggest you're letting your emotions get the better of you. Take a couple hour timeout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bergenjets Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 What's the difference between having 12 picks and only having 2 or 3 stick vs only having 3 or 4 picks of which 2 stick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 You blow Chris Ivory every weekend. He didn't trade himself here. You pretend you're knowledgeable in football matters yet refuse to adhere to the 3 year rule when it comes to evaluating a draft. I suggest you're letting your emotions get the better of you. Take a couple hour timeout. Doesn't look like there'll be much of this year's draft left three years from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Assigning blame to individuals here is pointless. If you don't know who's in charge then nobody's in charge and that's your only problem until it's solved. Idzik's and Rex's actual jobs are at cross purposes. Idzik is doing the pre-bottoming out groundwork for a rebuild while Rex is trying to win now. This leads to idiotic things like the coach who played more dime than anybody in the league when Revis Island was a thing refusing to do anything more than pulling Harrison for Wilson when the other team goes four- and five-wide because he doesn't trust any of the DBs on the roster. I don't even know if it would matter if Geno was the guy. In this league now it's either one voice or plausible deniability. Teams that do the former always turn out okay and teams that do the latter always crap out. Look at the bickering idiots in San Francisco. It takes an incredible amount of talent to compensate for being organizationally retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 You blow Chris Ivory every weekend. He didn't trade himself here. You pretend you're knowledgeable in football matters yet refuse to adhere to the 3 year rule when it comes to evaluating a draft. I suggest you're letting your emotions get the better of you. Take a couple hour timeout. Forgot about Ivory. A very limited but explosive player who's not helping Geno out in the passing game at all. and a player we acquired last season In regards to the draft, I'm probably the most understanding to bad draft picks around here than anyone. I argue all the time about the odds and percentages and how its basically a crap shoot past round 2. That said, why do I have to wait 3 years to assess a draft where only 3 players made the team? It was monumental bust of a draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 What's the difference between having 12 picks and only having 2 or 3 stick vs only having 3 or 4 picks of which 2 stick? Terrible drafting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Forgot about Ivory. A very limited but explosive player who's not helping Geno out in the passing game at all. and a player we acquired last season In regards to the draft, I'm probably the most understanding to bad draft picks around here than anyone. I argue all the time about the odds and percentages and how its basically a crap shoot past round 2. That said, why do I have to wait 3 years to assess a draft where only 3 players made the team? It was monumental bust of a draft. Maybe someone who knows the draft like Bit can answer the question of how many players usually stick from a draft class. I don't know the answer but it seems to me people are exaggerating the last couple days. and isn't it like 7 players from the draft that are still on the team whether it be practice squad or IR etc. Brandon Moore and Snacks were practice squad guys.. just because there isn't an instant impact doesn't mean there never will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Maybe someone who knows the draft like Bit can answer the question of how many players usually stick from a draft class. I don't know the answer but it seems to me people are exaggerating the last couple days. and isn't it like 7 players from the draft that are still on the team whether it be practice squad or IR etc. Brandon Moore and Snacks were practice squad guys.. just because there isn't an instant impact doesn't mean there never will be. Its extremely low, hence why I typically defend bad picks/drafts, etc. I've posted articles on it before breaking down the odds of each round. But when you have 12, and 3 make the team...that stinks something awful. This was a stacked class and an incredible opportunity for Idzik to build around Geno and he failed, miserably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Its extremely low, hence why I typically defend bad picks/drafts, etc. I've posted articles on it before breaking down the odds of each round. But when you have 12, and 3 make the team...that stinks something awful. This was a stacked class and an incredible opportunity for Idzik to build around Geno and he failed, miserably. again.. you're ignoring reality and screaming about this imaginary 3 number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 The real GM had been Rex the whole time so the question is misleading ...#itooktheguywhowillsmashyourfacein ******* Rex drafting Gholston set this franchise back decades! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 again.. you're ignoring reality and screaming about this imaginary 3 number. You're right. I forgot McDougle and Evans went to IR and Dozier just hasnt dressed. Its 6. Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 You're right. I forgot McDougle and Evans went to IR and Dozier just hasnt dressed. Its 6. Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If I cared enough I'd go look at which team has the most rookies making an impact this year. I bet it's way lower than you guys are carrying on about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 again.. you're ignoring reality and screaming about this imaginary 3 number. The draft sucked. He lost me when he reached for McDougall and took an undersized receiver with ok speed back to back. He sat on his picks when his draft board had 165 pounds Jalen Saunders as the 100th BPA. I liked the approach of loading up on picks in a lost season but what good has it done? His picks look like crap and why not try to go and get an impact player when if you're just going to let Rex dick around with picks and draft Tajh Boyd anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 If I cared enough I'd go look at which team has the most rookies making an impact this year. I bet it's way lower than you guys are carrying on about. Well, the Jets needed a WR for their young QB. S was a head scratcher, even though Pryor might have a nice career. The 2 WR's that were taken in the 1st round after Pryor are having very strong years, Benjamin and Cooks. Teddy Bridgewater looked very good too. Jordan Matthews too. Dennard, they guy I wanted, playing really well in Cinci. FWIW and I dont think it really matters much but every Safety taken after Pryor in the 1st has more tackles than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bergenjets Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 About 1/3 of draft picks make the team if you read through the different studies. About 1/3 of first rounders bust, with a slightly higher number for 2nd and 3rd rounders. After that it gets bad. Idzik has been an average or better GM statistically. My complaint would be with the direction he's taking the team (seems aimless) and also the fact that they completely sucked after he cleaned up Tanny's mess, making it an easy roster to crack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Let me answer your question. I would prefer Idzik. Because if Tanny screws up the organization has no where to go but in a deadly downward spiral like it did in 2012 and it takes quiet a few seasons to recover from that. Now if Idzik screws up like it looks with the last draft the JETS are not screwed. We still have the cap room, heck we have more money to spend because of the new 4 yr minimum spending rules and the flexibility to mend it quick and get competitive again soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 If I cared enough I'd go look at which team has the most rookies making an impact this year. I bet it's way lower than you guys are carrying on about. It's not even about impact, it's about picks making the roster. He had twelve picks, four of which were comp picks that he had to take players with. That left him with eight more to use to move up in the draft, maybe get one of the WR's that were available early in the second round. Fill a need with one good player, rather than three who currently aren't on the 53 man roster. If the thought process was the roster is crap, lets load up with all twelve picks and bolster the team, it was a failure because they've bolstered nothing. If he failed to make any trades because he was unable to get a deal done, that was also a failure because so many picks failed to make the team. It was a poor draft, especially given all the picks he had to work with. And when you throw in all the cap room he had available, it was a crappy overall offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinPB Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Here's what you have in Idzik: This dude had 12 picks, 50 mil in cap space. He was going into the season with no real shot at winning a SB, instead, the whole season was about seeing what you have in Geno and Rex. So what did he do? He gave Geno, Decker and a washed up CJ. Thats it. He gave Rex, nothing. How the **** do you asses either of them with that type of effort to improve the team? You cant. So now what? You have a bottom 5 roster in the NFL. You got 2, maybe decent players out of 12 in an absolutely stacked draft. You signed 1 worthy FA and did absolutely nothing to build around the QB your forcing down your HC's throat. So now, you're 1-3 with 2 more losses to come before your first division game. You trust this jackass with another offseason? lol Idzik definitely dropped the ball this offseason. I'm a believer in giving a coach and GM 3 years however barring a horrendous season. He definitely didn't do enough and left alot of money on the table for no reason. This is New York not Jacksonville. Why is all that money still on the table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 If I cared enough I'd go look at which team has the most rookies making an impact this year. I bet it's way lower than you guys are carrying on about. Every team that took a WR in the first 3 rounds, except the Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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