Lizard King Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I'm just bringing this up because I think we need to keep this in perspective a bit. If it wasn't Geno now it'd be Sanchez, maybe McCown, I don't know who. Geno fell to us. We didn't necessarily get our franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Browning Nagle was the 34th pick in the draft. Geno Smith was the 39th pick in the draft. Kellen Clemens was the 49th pick in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryK Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Geno was a risk worth taking, imo. We didn't bet the future on him, and Tom Brady was a 6th so why not roll the dice? If we free up tons of cash and suck hard enough for good draft picks, we might end up in a position to snag a top QB should one come up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kay_gee Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Geno was a risk worth taking, imo. We didn't bet the future on him, and Tom Brady was a 6th so why not roll the dice? If we free up tons of cash and suck hard enough for good draft picks, we might end up in a position to snag a top QB should one come up. but the sky is falling NOW, Jerry. we NEED to bench Geno so impressive winner Michael Vick can lead us to the promised land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 but the sky is falling NOW, Jerry. we NEED to bench Geno so impressive winner Michael Vick can lead us to the promised land. I gotta say.. the more Kay_Gee posts the more I like her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Picking Smith was fine, a reasonable risk. Playing Smith beyond this season, that would be a failure in judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Picking Smith was fine, a reasonable risk.Playing Smith beyond this season, that would be a failure in judgement. That's probably true. Another failure of this draft was not taking a QB earlier. There were a lot of QBs available in the fourth or fifth rounds. The pick they used on Jeremiah George could've instead been used on Murray, McCarron, or Mettenberger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 That's probably true. Another failure of this draft was not taking a QB earlier. There were a lot of QBs available in the fourth or fifth rounds. The pick they used on Jeremiah George could've instead been used on Murray, McCarron, or Mettenberger. I was a big proponent of taking McCarron at some point in this draft. I really would have liked a more serious potential development guy than Taj Boyd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 That's probably true. Another failure of this draft was not taking a QB earlier. There were a lot of QBs available in the fourth or fifth rounds. The pick they used on Jeremiah George could've instead been used on Murray, McCarron, or Mettenberger. But they had Tajh Boyd cued up in the tank. Tajh Boyd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I was a big proponent of taking McCarron at some point in this draft. I really would have liked a more serious potential development guy than Taj Boyd. I liked Mettenberger. But the fact is that those are three big names with genuine development potential at the most important position on the field -a position of need- and they passed on them for a slow LB who didn't make the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Picking Geno was smart. When a projected 1st overall QB a few months before the draft falls to you in the second and you need a QB, you gotta roll the dice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 But they had Tajh Boyd cued up in the tank. Tajh Boyd. I know, I know. The infamous Rex Ryan pick. Oh the horror and the waste of a sixth round comp pick. Fact is that Idzik is the boss. He could've told him no in the draft room and taken the QB he liked best in the fourth or fifth round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I know, I know. The infamous Rex Ryan pick. Oh the horror and the waste of a sixth round comp pick. Fact is that Idzik is the boss. He could've told him no in the draft room and taken the QB he liked best in the fourth or fifth round. I'm not sure about that. No one seems to know whether most HCs typically get a late round pick, whether it is in Rex's contract, or whether Woody told Tanny and now Idzik, "Rex gets a late round pick." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I'm not sure about that. No one seems to know whether most HCs typically get a late round pick, whether it is in Rex's contract, or whether Woody told Tanny and now Idzik, "Rex gets a late round pick." I'm sure about it. Even if that pick had Ryan's name on it, he could've taken a different QB in the fourth or fifth round. It's not like there was any guarantee Boyd was gonna be there at the 213th pick of the draft, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I'm sure about it. Even if that pick had Ryan's name on it, he could've taken a different QB in the fourth or fifth round. It's not like there was any guarantee Boyd was gonna be there at the 213th pick of the draft, anyway. I didn't mean who was selected, I'm questioning whether Idzik has the power to tell Rex he isn't getting to make his pick this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I know, I know. The infamous Rex Ryan pick. Oh the horror and the waste of a sixth round comp pick. Fact is that Idzik is the boss. He could've told him no in the draft room and taken the QB he liked best in the fourth or fifth round. But Tajh Boyd, Clemson. Tajh Boyd. As Rex told us, "He has a little bit of magic in him". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 A 2nd round pick becoming the Jets' long term QB makes sense for this never first franchise. Geno's got this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I didn't mean who was selected, I'm questioning whether Idzik has the power to tell Rex he isn't getting to make his pick this year. IMHO, that's a conspiracy theory/whine that only exists on this message board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I gotta say.. the more Kay_Gee posts the more I like her. She's a good one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 IMHO, that's a conspiracy theory/whine that only exists on this message board. Conspiracy theory? I'm asking why Rex gets to make a pick. I really don't know. Is it from his contract? Edict from Woody? Custom in the NFL that a HC gets one pick a year? Just asking a question, if you don't know the answer that is ok, I still like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 but the sky is falling NOW, Jerry. we NEED to bench Geno so impressive winner Michael Vick can lead us to the promised land. Well said. Vick aint leading us anywhere. But I get your sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I like how everyone thinks they know what actually goes on behind the scenes in Jets organization. If Boyd was not a favor to Rex though I do not know what is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 but the sky is falling NOW, Jerry. we NEED to bench Geno so impressive winner Michael Vick can lead us to the promised land. agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I was a big proponent of taking McCarron at some point in this draft. I really would have liked a more serious potential development guy than Taj Boyd. Funny, when I saw the list of names, he was the one that made me think: No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Conspiracy theory? I'm asking why Rex gets to make a pick. I really don't know. Is it from his contract? Edict from Woody? Custom in the NFL that a HC gets one pick a year? Just asking a question, if you don't know the answer that is ok, I still like you. If Rex gets a pick every year, who was his pick in 2013? Sheldon Richardson? After the first round, they went offense the rest of the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 If Rex gets a pick every year, who was his pick in 2013? Sheldon Richardson? After the first round, they went offense the rest of the way. Rex picked offense with John Connor and Tajah, don't know who 2013 was. It's a late round pick he gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Funny, when I saw the list of names, he was the one that made me think: No thanks. Maybe this should give a hint as to how much of a crapshoot the draft is. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Rex picked offense with John Connor and Tajah, don't know who 2013 was. It's a late round pick he gets. So Rex has been here for six years, and there are two later round picks attributed to him, therefore he gets one pick every year? This is why I think this is just a complaint that has no basis in fact. Richardson was attributed to Rex until he was awesome, then he was all of a sudden Idzik's pick. People connect dots that aren't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 So Rex has been here for six years, and there are two later round picks attributed to him, therefore he gets one pick every year? This is why I think this is just a complaint that has no basis in fact. Richardson was attributed to Rex until he was awesome, then he was all of a sudden Idzik's pick. People connect dots that aren't there. It isn't a complaint. I read that Rex "usually" gets a pick each year (I know, I know, BUTZ TEH MEDIA IS LIERS!!?*!##). As far as I know, we all have the same sources of information here, except maybe Max who has more access to the team than we do. I am curious how that came about, that's all. When Tanny was GM, I assumed it was Tanny's choice to give him one. But now that the tradition apparently has continued, I am curious if it is contractual, Woody's decision, or Idzik just decided to let it continue. "The Jets usually let head coach Rex Ryan make one personal, hand-picked selection in every draft. This year, Ryan went with Boyd, who played with Ryan's son Seth at Clemson, where Seth is a walk-on wide receiver." http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2014/09/tajh_boyd_rex_ryans_hand-picked_draft_choice_joins_start-up_league_called_fxfl.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Maybe this should give a hint as to how much of a crapshoot the draft is. .. Not much crappier than 6th round QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 It isn't a complaint. I read that Rex "usually" gets a pick each year (I know, I know, BUTZ TEH MEDIA IS LIERS!!?*!##). As far as I know, we all have the same sources of information here, except maybe Max who has more access to the team than we do. I am curious how that came about, that's all. When Tanny was GM, I assumed it was Tanny's choice to give him one. But now that the tradition apparently has continued, I am curious if it is contractual, Woody's decision, or Idzik just decided to let it continue. "The Jets usually let head coach Rex Ryan make one personal, hand-picked selection in every draft. This year, Ryan went with Boyd, who played with Ryan's son Seth at Clemson, where Seth is a walk-on wide receiver." http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2014/09/tajh_boyd_rex_ryans_hand-picked_draft_choice_joins_start-up_league_called_fxfl.html Yeah, but as far as anyone really knows, usually = 1/3 of the time. If you think this author knows more than that, why not send him a tweet and see if he can let you in on all of Rex's selections over the years. As far as I can recall, only two of them are public knowledge, the rest is speculation. And now I'm bored with this conversation, so please feel free to have the last word. I was never all that hung up on the 11th of 12 draft picks this year, anyway. It'd be more of an issue if Idzik hit on his 11. He fell far short, and the 213th pick was unlikely to move this draft into positive territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I think the "Rex gets one pick" talk stems from Collisions: Low Crossers. I'm not entirely sure, I just started it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Yeah, but as far as anyone really knows, usually = 1/3 of the time. If you think this author knows more than that, why not send him a tweet and see if he can let you in on all of Rex's selections over the years. As far as I can recall, only two of them are public knowledge, the rest is speculation. And now I'm bored with this conversation, so please feel free to have the last word. I was never all that hung up on the 11th of 12 draft picks this year, anyway. It'd be more of an issue if Idzik hit on his 11. He fell far short, and the 213th pick was unlikely to move this draft into positive territory. Last word? Who is debating anything? I asked a question based on a media report (there are corroborating reports but I am not writing a thesis here). Not sure what your anxiety is over. It is easy to say "media usually has it wrong" in response to a media report, and that's the route you've taken and that's fine. But there was never a debate--that requires two participants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Not much crappier than 6th round QBs. To be fair, none of us know if Mettenberg or McCarron are ever gonna be anything either. There was a reason both were drafted outside the first three rounds. Could be that going into the draft Idzick only had them rated slightly higher than Boyd but not by so much as he saw either as a must have guy. So, knowing that they were likely taking Boyd later on he took a shot on a LB and it didn't pan out. Come back to me in five years if McCarron or Mettenberg are on their way to their third Pro Bowl. Barring that, I can't really muster any outrage over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 That's probably true. Another failure of this draft was not taking a QB earlier. There were a lot of QBs available in the fourth or fifth rounds. The pick they used on Jeremiah George could've instead been used on Murray, McCarron, or Mettenberger. No doubt about it. I wanted us to grab Garrapolo or Savage personally. I don't pretend to be a scout, but when I pieced together the names getting traction from respectable franchises with QB guru's on staff, it lead me to those 2 guys going onto my wish list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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