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John Idzik - King hypocrite


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beyond the ineffectiveness as lead personnel man for the NYJ, the thing that chaps my ass the most about Idzik is the hypocrisy.  

 

"Competition"....except when it comes to QB where Geno was given the job.   The QB competition was a farce from the start and here we are again with Sanchez part deux.   Not to mention how many other prospects we passed over in the 2014 draft.   

 

"Build through the draft"....except when the team is 1-6 and it's time to go to CYA mode.   It's moot anyway since Idzik can't pick a WR prospect to save his life.   I've never seen a team release their 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th rd picks from the same draft.  

 

"Draft best player available"....except when the CB position is completely mismanaged all off-season and he needs to reach in rd 3 for a CB with a heartbeat.  

 

"Cap flexibility for long term success".....until the team is 1-6 and Rex/Idzik are both blaming the other.   Now the cap space that was so important to carry over to 2015 is not important at all.   I don't get it, is it important to carry over or not?    in week 1 it was important, now suddenly it's not.   like a bad politician he was for it before he was against it.  

 

"selective in free agency".....except when it comes to finding turds.   So far we have 1 journeyman CB with history of complaining that went AWOL before a game.    We have 1 RB who went AWOL after getting arrested passed out in the highway with drugs and a loaded gun.  

 

If Idzik just stunk as a GM / decision maker it would be one thing.   The thing that I really hate is the hypocrisy, lack of respect, and load of crap he is trying to sell us fans.  

 

 

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So Idzik should pass up the chance to get a real playmaker on a team that desperately needs one because it would be inconsistent with his prior statements?  He had a plan going into this season, several injuries and other things have occurred and now he's making adjustments.  It's supposed to be about what's good for the team, not consistency with previous statements.  Nobody cares about that.

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I like the Harvin trade - but everything you say here is true and I totally agree. I have been saying that the competition thing was a joke all summer. People would respond with ridiculous examples of how competition was effecting our roster. lol

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@LionelRichie, You are the perfect example of forming an opinion, and then scrambling to find the "facts" to support it.

 

This was a good move for the team.  Deal with it.

 

this may be a good move for the team but certainly not at 1-6.   How about 5M for a backup QB?    How about 3M for a journeyman, malcontent QB who played 15 games in 3 seasons?   

 

If cap space is no longer important why didn't big John pay for Vontae Davis or Revis?     This team is 3-4 at worst with either of those 2 players. 

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this may be a good move for the team but certainly not at 1-6.   How about 5M for a backup QB?    How about 3M for a journeyman, malcontent QB who played 15 games in 3 seasons?   

 

If cap space is no longer important why didn't big John pay for Vontae Davis or Revis?     This team is 3-4 at worst with either of those 2 players. 

 

It's only not good for the team at 1-6 if your priority is draft positioning.  It's possible the Jets aren't playing for draft positioning.  I agree you shouldn't be buyers at this point, but at the same time, if you can get a player of this caliber for this compensation, and you plan on keeping him around, it's a great move.

 

The overall strategy has always been clear.  Money isn't a huge issue if it's one year money.  Vontae Davis was not 1 year money.  Revis was NEVER going to happen.  NEVER.  The fact that he signed with NE within an hour of being released is evidence enough of that.  The fact that one of the members of team Revis tweeted it within 15 minutes should tell you everything you need to know.

 

The main strategy has been to build through the draft, and bring in players who are either one year rentals or you want on the team for the long term.  I'm not sure how many guys the Jets passed on that you'd want on the team for the long term.  I think Vontae Davis may be the only one.  And, that's a guy that went back to his original team, who is a contender.  So, I don't think you can destroy the GM for that one.

 

The biggest fault of Idzik is that these early drafts seem to be a mess.  It's possible that this is a problem that will persist.  But that doesn't mean that the strategy is wrong or that he is a hypocrite.

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this may be a good move for the team but certainly not at 1-6.   How about 5M for a backup QB?    How about 3M for a journeyman, malcontent QB who played 15 games in 3 seasons?   

 

If cap space is no longer important why didn't big John pay for Vontae Davis or Revis?     This team is 3-4 at worst with either of those 2 players. 

 

I can't figure out why Idzik didn't sign a CB in the offseason. I can say that there were no WR's of Harvins ability, at the price the Jets got Harvin for. The only thing I can figure out is that Idzik isin love with getting a deal. He is like the NFL version of a super couponer. Harvin's remaining contract is not guaranteed. His cap number will be lowered or gone next year depending on how he does the remainder of the season.

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It's only not good for the team at 1-6 if your priority is draft positioning.  It's possible the Jets aren't playing for draft positioning.  I agree you shouldn't be buyers at this point, but at the same time, if you can get a player of this caliber for this compensation, and you plan on keeping him around, it's a great move.

 

The overall strategy has always been clear.  Money isn't a huge issue if it's one year money.  Vontae Davis was not 1 year money.  Revis was NEVER going to happen.  NEVER.  The fact that he signed with NE within an hour of being released is evidence enough of that.  The fact that one of the members of team Revis tweeted it within 15 minutes should tell you everything you need to know.

 

The main strategy has been to build through the draft, and bring in players who are either one year rentals or you want on the team for the long term.  I'm not sure how many guys the Jets passed on that you'd want on the team for the long term.

 

The biggest fault of Idzik is that these early drafts seem to be a mess.  It's possible that this is a problem that will persist.  But that doesn't mean that the strategy is wrong or that he is a hypocrite.

 

I don't think it's entirely fair to blame Idzik on the draft either. He is trying to rebuild the scouting department. That may take some time. Jets have been inconsistent drafting for a long, long time.

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I can't figure out why Idzik didn't sign a CB in the offseason. I can say that there were no WR's of Harvins ability, at the price the Jets got Harvin for. The only thing I can figure out is that Idzik isin love with getting a deal. He is like the NFL version of a super couponer. Harvin's remaining contract is not guaranteed. His cap number will be lowered or gone next year depending on how he does the remainder of the season.

 

I think that right now, where this team stands, talent wise, he should be "couponing".  We didn't win the game, but Decker did plenty of work against Revis.  Point being, we are far from one or even two expensive players away.

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I don't think it's entirely fair to blame Idzik on the draft either. He is trying to rebuild the scouting department. That may take some time. Jets have been inconsistent drafting for a long, long time.

 

This is very true.

 

Honestly, Milliner is the biggest disappointment.  But, he was sitting there, the top player at an obvious need... What do you do there?  Even with his injury history, you have to take him.  Problem is, I don't think he plays again, at least not in any meaningful way, and the Jets need a CB or two again.  

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I think that right now, where this team stands, talent wise, he should be "couponing".  We didn't win the game, but Decker did plenty of work against Revis.  Point being, we are far from one or even two expensive players away.

 

Well it's a smart idea overall. The bottom line is that no one would be saying anything if the draft was even just decent. Granted Amaro could be a stud, and Pryor (maybe) could be too once he can play back there with some better talent. The killer was that none of the later round picks in either draft were immediate contributors. You need one or two when you have that many picks over two years. Free agents get a little too much credit for what they can come in and help with. Most of them are damaged goods and that's why their current team does not want them. Revis and Cromartie were not really one of those cases and they did fit into that one year deal thing so idk why either of those deals weren't done.

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This is very true.

 

Honestly, Milliner is the biggest disappointment.  But, he was sitting there, the top player at an obvious need... What do you do there?  Even with his injury history, you have to take him.  Problem is, I don't think he plays again, at least not in any meaningful way, and the Jets need a CB or two again.  

 

Yeah, I agree. He was a projected top 5 talent. But this is where your scouting department comes in again. The Jets, regardless of coach or GM need 2-3 new CB's next year as Kyle Wilson will be gone too.

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This is very true.

 

Honestly, Milliner is the biggest disappointment.  But, he was sitting there, the top player at an obvious need... What do you do there?  Even with his injury history, you have to take him.  Problem is, I don't think he plays again, at least not in any meaningful way, and the Jets need a CB or two again.  

 

 

I think its too soon to say this

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This probably doesn't deserve its own thread - but it is Idzik related so I might as well put it here. What happens if Rex, MM and Geno do better with Harvin the remainder of the season than Carroll, Wilson and Bevell did? Does Idzik retain them all? Does he not draft another QB? Does he keep most of the coaching staff in place? This should be interesting to watch.

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This probably doesn't deserve its own thread - but it is Idzik related so I might as well put it here. What happens if Rex, MM and Geno do better with Harvin the remainder of the season than Carroll, Wilson and Bevell did? Does Idzik retain them all? Does he not draft another QB? Does he keep most of the coaching staff in place? This should be interesting to watch.

The one thing you can expect as a Jets fan- all sort of question marks about the team and coaches

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The COMPETETION mantra was seriously called into question to me when the new GM followed the failed old GMs childish pact to give Rex one pick..which we used on his sons college buddy instead of drafting a real developmental QB a round or 2 earlier

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I think its too soon to say this

 

Perhaps.  It's just a guess.

 

But, a guy who's been injury prone, finally ruins his achillies, at a position where he needs to rely on his legs mostly.  I just think don't think he bounces back from that.

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Perhaps.  It's just a guess.

 

But, a guy who's been injury prone, finally ruins his achillies, at a position where he needs to rely on his legs mostly.  I just think don't think he bounces back from that.

 

Is an achillies harder to come back from than an ACL.  I genuinely don't know.

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Is an achillies harder to come back from than an ACL.  I genuinely don't know.

 

I don't really know for sure either.  Just thinking that you don't often hear much about guys coming back strong from either.  Though, HGH and whatnot has changed things.  Add that to Milliner's absurdly long injury history and I just don't have much faith we see him again, at least not in any meaningful way.

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Bash him for his drafts overall so far but to get Harvin for what we might have to give up is a move worth it

 

That is exactly my point on Idzik's hypocrisy and his inconsistent message as a GM. 

 

Desean Jackson was too expensive at 3 yrs / $24M but Harvin at 10M / yr + a pick is a "great deal".   I don't understand what Idzik is doing and it now looks like he doesn't have a plan and is just making random moves.   

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@LionelRichie, You are the perfect example of forming an opinion, and then scrambling to find the "facts" to support it.

 

This was a good move for the team.  Deal with it.

Agreed. I get it that some want a scorched earth strategy at the end of the season. But that was unlikely under any circumstances. However, this is in my opinion a good move for the team, now and going forward hopefully.

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It's only not good for the team at 1-6 if your priority is draft positioning.  It's possible the Jets aren't playing for draft positioning.  I agree you shouldn't be buyers at this point, but at the same time, if you can get a player of this caliber for this compensation, and you plan on keeping him around, it's a great move.

 

 

You think that Harvin at $10M / yr is a great deal?    

 

Idzik had everyone convinced that the game plan was too build for the future and carry the cap space forward.    I can find the exact quote but that's the paraphrased version.   Now, with the season over before it started, Idzik is playing the "just kidding" card and this is some great move.   The guy is not only in over his head but his BS is mind-numbing.  

 

The Jets couldn't afford a top-tier CB but they can afford Harvin at $17M for 1 season.    I just don't get it and neither should you.  

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You think that Harvin at $10M / yr is a great deal?    

 

Idzik had everyone convinced that the game plan was too build for the future and carry the cap space forward.    I can find the exact quote but that's the paraphrased version.   Now, with the season over before it started, Idzik is playing the "just kidding" card and this is some great move.   The guy is not only in over his head but his BS is mind-numbing.  

 

The Jets couldn't afford a top-tier CB but they can afford Harvin at $17M for 1 season.    I just don't get it and neither should you.  

 

So you want someone too stubborn to adapt?  Idzik saw that he wasn't providing enough on offense to properly evaluate Geno or more importantly win games.  He tries to rectify that by giving up at worst a 4th rounder and you have a problem with that?

 

This coming from the guy who's been screaming about the 20 million surplus for months.  Seems to me this thread is the very definition of hypocrisy.  

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You think that Harvin at $10M / yr is a great deal?    

 

Idzik had everyone convinced that the game plan was too build for the future and carry the cap space forward.    I can find the exact quote but that's the paraphrased version.   Now, with the season over before it started, Idzik is playing the "just kidding" card and this is some great move.   The guy is not only in over his head but his BS is mind-numbing.  

 

The Jets couldn't afford a top-tier CB but they can afford Harvin at $17M for 1 season.    I just don't get it and neither should you.  

 

You're probably the only one under the impression that he's on the team next year under his current contract.  Harvin is 26.  If he plays well, they make a new deal.  If he doesn't, we send him packing and a 6th round pick.  I have no idea where 17M for one season comes from.

 

I'm sorry you feel lied to.  I am.

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So you want someone too stubborn to adapt?  Idzik saw that he wasn't providing enough on offense to properly evaluate Geno or more importantly win games.  He tries to rectify that by giving up at worst a 4th rounder and you have a problem with that?

 

This coming from the guy who's been screaming about the 20 million surplus for months.  Seems to me this thread is the very definition of hypocrisy.  

 

You, not me, are the one who is irrationally coming up with excuses for everything Big John does.   You cannot reconcile his decision making in any cohesive way.   It's like he's running the Jets with the Magic 8 Ball.  

 

I was screaming about the $24M of unused space.   And I was 100% right about it.   The $93M payroll cost the Jets at least 2 games this season.   

 

Once the season is out of reach there is no point of using cap space for the sake of using cap space.    This may be a desperation move to keep the paper bags out of the stadium but from a cap/football standpoint it literally makes no sense to blow $7M of available 2015 cap space on a wasted 2014 season.  

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