win4ever Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Can we hire Kippy Brown? He is their WRs coach, and they might have some of the best technicians out there at WRs, probably the most fundamentally sound group I've seen in the NFL. A little background on him. He was with the Texans when they drafted Andre Johnson, and helped develop him into one of the best WRs in the game, who is great at fundamentals. He was also with the Lions in 2006 as "passing game coordinator" (whatever that means) but that is a season where he got 82 receptions and 1300 yards from Roy Williams, 98 receptions and 1000 yards from Mike Furrey. Not exactly guys that went onto become studs later. He was also there when Calvin Johnson came along and helped to develop him as well. He also has some history with the Jets as their RB coach in the early 90's, albeit guessing how those years went for us, I'm not sure this would be a good thing for him to remember fondly, albeit the RBs did really well. One thing we consistently have a problem with is developing WRs. Almost every WR with an iota of talent that we've acquired since Santana Moss has failed to live up to expectations. And for more perceptible proof, watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXEJ3zXMgkg I'll provide a breakdown on the WR plays that stand out: -1:36- The WR jumps to secure the ball from a hit, goes up for the ball and then uses his back as protection on a ball thrown behind him. Our WRs would reach back with one hand, while trying to catch it falling down the other way. -1:45- The WR is actually setting up the catch before the ball has even arrived. He's dragging his feet and bending sideways to allow him to catch a ball that is clearly out of bounds, yet still be legal. Our WRs would've jumped out like a ballerina. -2:00- The WR highpoints the ball with a defender right there with him. Our WRs probably would point the ball out the CB so he can turn around and pick it. -2:30- The WR again high points the catch in the endzone. -2:38- The WR not only highpoints the ball, but again uses a jump and turn to shield the CB from the ball, and then has the aware to put the second foot as far back as possible when landing. We'd be lucky, if our WRs would swat this ball away. -3:00- The WR goes up and high points the ball, again. -3;12- The WR high points the ball again, lands in bounds and gets a TD. These catches aren't the case where they are just wide open, they are fundamentally beating people to the ball even when covered. -3:50- Another example where the WR is dragging his foot well before the ball is there. This way, they can use their hands to catch the ball at maximum height without going overboard. If you jump first to catch, there is a good chance you jump further than you want and land out of bounds. But if you set up the catch before hands with your foot, then you know that as long as you catch it, you are inbounds. 4:20- The TE that is catching the ball, twists his shoulder as he's going to catch the ball. This helps him get underneath the ball and not let it hit the ground. I've seen this plenty of times, but just an example of how they do practice fundamentals. 4:45- The WR came back towards the ball, jumped in front (or back in this case) of the CB to catch the ball. We would stand behind the CB like Sudfeld did, and then miss the tackle on the INT return. 5:15- Again, same as before the WR is setting up his feet well before the catch, so as long as he secures the catch with his hands, he doesn't have to worry about getting in bounds. Besides Decker, I'm not sure anyone on our team does this. 5:35- The WR turns his back exactly where the CB is on the play, blocks him out of the ball by using his body. 6:30- Again the WR not only high points the ball, but again is the in the process of turning his body away from the CB so they can't knock the ball out. 7:55 The WR twists on a low throw to get underneath it and prevent the CB from swatting at it. 8::00 The WR high points the ball. 8:45 The WR comes back for an underthrown ball, making a covered play into a large gain. 8:55- The WR high points the ball, on pretty much perfect coverage. 9:10- The WR twists his body for the catch, uses his back to prevent the CB from swatting at the ball. 9:50- The WR again slows down a bit, uses the back as protection to fend off the WR to make the catch. That's 20 examples from a 14 min video highlighting Russel Wilson. I stumbled upon it, when Percy Harvin's video came up on the suggestions list, and was just astonished at how fundamentally stable these WRs are. A lot of times, these completions are to guys that are actually well covered, but because they go up for the catch or use subtle tricks to stay inbounds or fend off the WR, they make catches. Of the 20 examples, I believe for us, around 14 of them would be INTs or incompletions for us. I'm not a fan a fan of Sanjay Lal, and really do wish we could get someone better. I think Brown could be a real gem, but the problem is that he has no incentive to come here as the WR coach, because it's a lateral move to a worse team. But maybe some position like passing game coordinator could do the job. I'm not 100% sure he'd be great OC material, but I'd love it if we could get this guy to work with our WRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Thanks, Kippy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Don't you mean WHEN we hire anyone from Seattle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I don't have much to add other than great thread and please post more. Really good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Sounds good to me. Lal has done nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
win4ever Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 Thanks, Kippy Lol. Don't you mean WHEN we hire anyone from Seattle? Lol, I'm not quite sure if we'll be raiding the Seahawks right now. Hiring a defensive guy doesn't make much sense because we have one of the better ones in the game as a HC already. So we would have to look at an offensive guy to hire away from them, and I'm not sure who they are going to take. Kippy is probably too unproven as an OC to hand him the job, and I'm not sold on the offensive genius of Bevell. I don't have much to add other than great thread and please post more. Really good stuff. Thanks. Sounds good to me. Lal has done nothing. Yeah, he's a guy that I really wish we would replace soon. He did absolutely nothing with the Raiders, and then somehow gets a pass with us for these years when we haven't improved anyone at WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 how come Pete couldn't win with the Jets?? smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 how come Pete couldn't win with the Jets?? smh Same reason most coaches don't win at their first job, not given more than a year, or 2 to build, Seattle gave him 3 full years of below .500 football, and then he got the golden ticket that all great coaches usually get, a franchise QB, something he didn't have here also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 The Seattle Dynasty!!!!!! One Super Bowl in a row!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Maybe we should just hire their scouting department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Can we hire Paul Allen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I don't have much to add other than great thread and please post more. Really good stuff. I asked this guy if he'd be interested in writing some articles for us Max-best new poster IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Maybe we should hire that Schottenheimer guy. His undrafted QB just completed 86 % of his passes against that vaunted Seattle D with a bunch of scrubs at receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 The Seattle Dynasty!!!!!! One Super Bowl in a row!!!!! Seriously. People act like they are amazing. They are a .500 club now with a ton of breaks. Their secondary is awesome, but thats all I am pining for. I don't want the Jets to be Seattle East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Pretty much standard issue receptions you see all around the league by receivers from a QB that throws a well placed ball, something Jets fans dont see often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 The Seattle Dynasty!!!!!! One Super Bowl in a row!!!!! I don;t they=ink they get it this year without home field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OuttaSightPF Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Can we hire Kippy Brown? He is their WRs coach, and they might have some of the best technicians out there at WRs, probably the most fundamentally sound group I've seen in the NFL. A little background on him. He was with the Texans when they drafted Andre Johnson, and helped develop him into one of the best WRs in the game, who is great at fundamentals. He was also with the Lions in 2006 as "passing game coordinator" (whatever that means) but that is a season where he got 82 receptions and 1300 yards from Roy Williams, 98 receptions and 1000 yards from Mike Furrey. Not exactly guys that went onto become studs later. He was also there when Calvin Johnson came along and helped to develop him as well. He also has some history with the Jets as their RB coach in the early 90's, albeit guessing how those years went for us, I'm not sure this would be a good thing for him to remember fondly, albeit the RBs did really well. One thing we consistently have a problem with is developing WRs. Almost every WR with an iota of talent that we've acquired since Santana Moss has failed to live up to expectations. And for more perceptible proof, watch this video: I'll provide a breakdown on the WR plays that stand out: -1:36- The WR jumps to secure the ball from a hit, goes up for the ball and then uses his back as protection on a ball thrown behind him. Our WRs would reach back with one hand, while trying to catch it falling down the other way. -1:45- The WR is actually setting up the catch before the ball has even arrived. He's dragging his feet and bending sideways to allow him to catch a ball that is clearly out of bounds, yet still be legal. Our WRs would've jumped out like a ballerina. -2:00- The WR highpoints the ball with a defender right there with him. Our WRs probably would point the ball out the CB so he can turn around and pick it. -2:30- The WR again high points the catch in the endzone. -2:38- The WR not only highpoints the ball, but again uses a jump and turn to shield the CB from the ball, and then has the aware to put the second foot as far back as possible when landing. We'd be lucky, if our WRs would swat this ball away. -3:00- The WR goes up and high points the ball, again. -3;12- The WR high points the ball again, lands in bounds and gets a TD. These catches aren't the case where they are just wide open, they are fundamentally beating people to the ball even when covered. -3:50- Another example where the WR is dragging his foot well before the ball is there. This way, they can use their hands to catch the ball at maximum height without going overboard. If you jump first to catch, there is a good chance you jump further than you want and land out of bounds. But if you set up the catch before hands with your foot, then you know that as long as you catch it, you are inbounds. 4:20- The TE that is catching the ball, twists his shoulder as he's going to catch the ball. This helps him get underneath the ball and not let it hit the ground. I've seen this plenty of times, but just an example of how they do practice fundamentals. 4:45- The WR came back towards the ball, jumped in front (or back in this case) of the CB to catch the ball. We would stand behind the CB like Sudfeld did, and then miss the tackle on the INT return. 5:15- Again, same as before the WR is setting up his feet well before the catch, so as long as he secures the catch with his hands, he doesn't have to worry about getting in bounds. Besides Decker, I'm not sure anyone on our team does this. 5:35- The WR turns his back exactly where the CB is on the play, blocks him out of the ball by using his body. 6:30- Again the WR not only high points the ball, but again is the in the process of turning his body away from the CB so they can't knock the ball out. 7:55 The WR twists on a low throw to get underneath it and prevent the CB from swatting at it. 8::00 The WR high points the ball. 8:45 The WR comes back for an underthrown ball, making a covered play into a large gain. 8:55- The WR high points the ball, on pretty much perfect coverage. 9:10- The WR twists his body for the catch, uses his back to prevent the CB from swatting at the ball. 9:50- The WR again slows down a bit, uses the back as protection to fend off the WR to make the catch. That's 20 examples from a 14 min video highlighting Russel Wilson. I stumbled upon it, when Percy Harvin's video came up on the suggestions list, and was just astonished at how fundamentally stable these WRs are. A lot of times, these completions are to guys that are actually well covered, but because they go up for the catch or use subtle tricks to stay inbounds or fend off the WR, they make catches. Of the 20 examples, I believe for us, around 14 of them would be INTs or incompletions for us. I'm not a fan a fan of Sanjay Lal, and really do wish we could get someone better. I think Brown could be a real gem, but the problem is that he has no incentive to come here as the WR coach, because it's a lateral move to a worse team. But maybe some position like passing game coordinator could do the job. I'm not 100% sure he'd be great OC material, but I'd love it if we could get this guy to work with our WRs. Great post. What would we hire him for? OC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
win4ever Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 The Seattle Dynasty!!!!!! One Super Bowl in a row!!!!! They obviously aren't a dynasty, but that team is put together about as well as any other team out there right now. A roster that can win, with money left to spend. I think in this day and age, that's a pretty good model to follow. Maybe we should hire that Schottenheimer guy. His undrafted QB just completed 86 % of his passes against that vaunted Seattle D with a bunch of scrubs at receiver. Schotty has been a loser for years now. The Seahawks have actually been in the top 10 in offensive efficiency and pass rankings the last two years. Part of it is the QB ofcourse, but their WRs do an excellent job at adjusting to the ball in the air. Seriously. People act like they are amazing. They are a .500 club now with a ton of breaks. Their secondary is awesome, but thats all I am pining for. I don't want the Jets to be Seattle East. They are talent wise, better than the .500 club their record shows to be. Similar to how we've really played better than to be 1-6, but at the higher end of the spectrum. They lost to two stud teams in the Chargers and Cowboys (and they didn't get blown out in either) and then lost a game to the Rams where everything and anything went the Rams way, and they pulled out all the stops for the Seahawks. Are they the most dominant team in the NFL? Nope. But they are on the short list for the best teams going forward. Pretty much standard issue receptions you see all around the league by receivers from a QB that throws a well placed ball, something Jets fans dont see often. I'm not sure about all the other teams, but I can sure as heck attest to the fact that our WRs wouldn't be making half of these plays with adjustments. It's not even the catches, it's the fundamental set up that protects them (possible leaves them open to more injuries) from the defenders and sidelines. We never do that, only person I've seen even remotely do that is Decker this year. A lot of these balls aren't in perfect places either, see a bunch of plays where the ball is underthrown, and the WR makes adjustments for it, catches the ball at it's high point, or angles his body so his feet stays inbounds while catching a ball out of bounds. Great post. What would we hire him for? OC? I'm not sure if he's proven enough to be an OC. I was hoping as assistant to the OC, like passing game coordinator (a title he had at Tennessee I believe) as a move up. I really just wish he could work with our WRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 You had me at WR coach. Hopefully Harvin never punched him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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