kay_gee Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I think the assumption he's going to help Geno is the issue here. He might, if something miraculously changes with his personality. I'm not sure I buy the "personality" issues. Nobody had anything bad to say about the guy until the Jets picked him up, now he's a huge cancer. Come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I still dont like him. I will say that Devante Adams landed in the right spot with Rodgers. This past draft should really annoy every Jets fan honestly. I agree with you about how awful the roster was in 2012...but this draft was fairly easy to identify the talent needed and available and we totally wiffed. Someone posted a comment the other day how it seems like the Jets identify pre-draft who they're going to take and in the round they want to take them and they dont adjust their board. Anyone who watched literally any college football last year could tell you Bruce Ellington was a lot better than Jalen Saunders. And I'm sorry, Amaro runs like a doof. Taking him over the available WR's, specifically Robinson will haunt us imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Thats your opinion. You're right. Going into the season with Decker and a cast of sh*t only to wait till your 1-6 to trade for the biggest headache (pun intended) at WR in the league was smart GM'ing because you say this finally gives them a chance to properly assess Geno. haha Like I said, at least he'll make us say "wow" once or twice before he plays for someone else next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I'm not sure I buy the "personality" issues. Nobody had anything bad to say about the guy until the Jets picked him up, now he's a huge cancer. Come on. Then you havent been paying attention. He's an absolute psychopath. Has been since High School. He'll literally strangle Geno before seasons end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kay_gee Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Then you havent been paying attention. He's an absolute psychopath. Has been since High School. He'll literally strangle Geno before seasons end. Oh please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 You're right. Going into the season with Decker and a cast of sh*t only to wait till your 1-6 to trade for the biggest headache (pun intended) at WR in the league was smart GM'ing because you say this finally gives them a chance to properly assess Geno. haha Like I said, at least he'll make us say "wow" once or twice before he plays for someone else next season. Your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Oh please. He punched Golden Tate. Knocked out his WR coach at Florida. Hated Russell Wilson. You think him and Geno will be boys? I hope I'm wrong. The dude is unreal to watch. Thats for sure. It would be cool if he wasnt Percy Harvin, but he is...and being in Green and White doesnt change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Your opinion. Yes it. It is also my opinion that Idzik is complete ass bag. And its your opinion he's a god for signing a thug turd WR at 1-6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 Then you havent been paying attention. He's an absolute psychopath. Has been since High School. He'll literally strangle Geno before seasons end. Most of the people weren't then. Because back when every Jet fan (besides Jif) was on this guy's penis tip wanting him, we weren't hearing about how he was a head case since high school. We was hearing how great of a talent we wish we drafted instead of Mark Sanchez. I remember those criticisms like it was yesterday. We missed out on Percy Harvin and Clay Matthews. Everyone was saying that, not literally, but enough to generalize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 Yes it. It is also my opinion that Idzik is complete ass bag. And its your opinion he's a god for signing a thug turd WR at 1-6. Your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Most of the people weren't then. Because back when every Jet fan (besides Jif) was on this guy's penis tip wanting him, we weren't hearing about how he was a head case since high school. We was hearing how great of a talent we wish we drafted instead of Mark Sanchez. I remember those criticisms like it was yesterday. We missed out on Percy Harvin and Clay Matthews. Everyone was saying that, not literally, but enough to generalize. I knew about Percy and still wanted him hoping he'd change in the NFL. He hasnt and he's now forced his way off 2 teams. Hopefully the Jets can change him. Doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Your opinion. Why did you start the ******* thread then? dbag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 I knew about Percy and still wanted him hoping he'd change in the NFL. He hasnt and he's now forced his way off 2 teams. Hopefully the Jets can change him. Doubt it. I hope so too. It'll be nice to have Decker and Harvin for the next 3 to 4 years. I get tired of the targets changing every single year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 Why did you start the ******* thread then? dbag Just bustin your balls Jif. We're 1-6 and you're allowing me to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Hindsight is the best sight. When people were thirsting for Harvin none of us knew about his problems in minnesota. Maybe someone did, but no one posted it. When he was traded to the hawks I didnt see anyone talking about his off the field issues. Now all of a sudden we're talking bout a team getting "rid of him" and how it "tells us something"? Im glad you're not against the trade, Braylon Edwards was a problem in Cleveland, he wasnt here. Matter of Fact, for years people wanted the Jets to resign Bray. Holmes was a problem towards the end, but when he wasnt the #1 and he was our #2 he was solid. I guess what I'm saying is, I dont care what his problems where in seattle or Minnesota because I didnt know about it along with the other people who was thirsting to get such a dynamic player. All I'm saying is that now that we have the 26 year old Percy Harvin he seems to be a problem because it was John Idzik who did it. It's Ridiculous. Not "you", I'm just saying in general. I think the biggest problem people have with john idzik, is that it should of been done thru free agency and/or draft. not half way thru a 1-6 seasons.for a guyso concerned with draft picks and cap space, he just rolled the dice on a possible 4th rounder and 7m of cap space. his attitude is well known all the way back to college. seems to have gotten a helluva lot worse in seattle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Just bustin your balls Jif. We're 1-6 and you're allowing me to do it. Clearly I'm unstable these days. Be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 Clearly I'm unstable these days. Be nice. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 John Idzik hire is anything but a coup Jets GM's multiple fumbles in draft and free agency led him to pick up Percy Harvin Updated: October 20, 2014, 8:19 PM ET By Ian O'Connor | ESPNNewYork.com FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- Percy Harvin has been in enough fights in his time as a professional and amateur football player to be represented by Bob Arum, and yet the latest man to employ him,New York Jets general manager John Idzik, called the acquisition a "potential coup." The Jets usually lead the league in a lot of things, but potential coups sure isn't one of them. Despite Harvin's turbulent history of confrontations with teammates and coaches, Idzik spent part of his Monday forecasting good things for Harvin because, in part, the Jets' locker room and facilities amount to what the GM called "a very healthy environment." [+] Enlarge AP Photo/Rich SchultzThis much is clear after two years: John Idzik is in over his head as GM of the Jets. The Seattle Seahawks just won the Super Bowl. A safe bet says their environment is at least a little healthier than the Jets'. Either way, the Seahawks dumped Harvin on their former front-office colleague for what will likely be an inconsequential draft pick. For Idzik, the trade was an admission he'd made awful choices with his roster. He waited until the Jets were 1-6 before finally spending some of the $20 million-plus available to him under the salary cap, and his desperation was clear in the form of the player now costing him $7.1 million. Harvin is a bad actor who has had his share of injuries and who followed his dramatic Super Bowl touchdown with a grand total of 225 receiving and rushing yards in five games. Even though Harvin is more of a specialist reliant on creative play-calling, he does have two things the Jets lack -- talent and speed. This trade isn't necessarily a bad one, even if it cuts against the grain of Idzik's stated goal of building through the draft and staying clear of overpriced names with overinflated reputations. The next time Idzik tries to claim character matters in his personnel assessments, someone will remind him he hired Harvin and fired David Nelson, an all-world good guy who devotes his off-days to the noble cause of supporting Haitian orphans. But this is about Idzik's big-picture failings, the mistakes in free agency and the draft (he selected three wide receivers in the spring; not one is on the active roster) that led him to the Harvin deal. Hard as it might be to believe, Idzik gave away an entire season. He punted on 2014, and only after he got all-out blitzed by the fans and news media did he finally cry uncle and burn some of Woody Johnson's cash. You might not think it's a big deal that Idzik quit on 2014 because, hey, these Jets weren't going anywhere anyway, right? This season was supposed to be merely about developing Geno Smith(or coming to the conclusion that he is incapable of being developed) and dumping Rex Ryan, the coach Idzik never wanted in the first place. As soon as those two things happened, conventional thinking went, the GM could put his master plan in place. Since when is a New York team that hasn't advanced to the championship round of its sport in nearly half a century allowed to tank a season? Since when is a New York GM who's been on the job 15 minutes allowed to rule out the possibility that something magical could unfold? Mike Tannenbaum wasn't expected to take the Jets to the playoffs in 2006, in his first year as GM, not after the team was 4-12 in 2005. Tannenbaum went 10-6 with his rookie coach, Eric Mangini. The 2007 Giants were supposed to get their quarterback and coach run out of town, andEli Manning and Tom Coughlin won the Super Bowl instead, after the team's rookie GM, Jerry Reese, pitched a perfect game in the draft. Four seasons later, the Giants were a 7-7 wreck staggering into the holiday season before they caught fire on Christmas Eve against the Jets and won it all one more time. [+] Enlarge AP Photo/Rich SchultzEx-Seahawk Percy Harvin was a jovial Jet in his new colors Monday. Forget the Giants for a minute. Return to the AFC East, and rewind your thoughts to Sept. 23, 2001, the day the Jets beat the New England Patriots, knocked out Drew Bledsoe and left Bill Belichick staring at an 0-2 record and the potential end of his head coaching career. Belichick walked off his home field that day with a combined 41-57 record in Cleveland and New England and with a sinking feeling he was about to endure his seventh losing season in eight tries. Bledsoe's replacement, a non-prospect named Tom Brady, was dreadful the following two weeks, and the Patriots had 5-11 written all over them. Belichick was going to get fired a second time, and given his personality -- or lack thereof -- no right-minded owner would've given him another shot. Those Patriots won the Super Bowl, their first of three, and Brady-Belichick became one of the greatest quarterback-coach tandems of all time. This isn't to say Geno Smith and Rex Ryan were ever going to win a playoff game together, never mind a ticker-tape parade; this is to say crazy, unpredictable things do happen in sports, especially when executives allow the chance of them happening. As general manager of the Jets, Idzik was tasked with putting his coach and quarterback in the best position to succeed. He failed miserably in that pursuit, and this way-too-little, way-too-late grab for Harvin changes nothing. Any novice could've reviewed the Jets roster long ago and concluded it lacked speed, athleticism and playmaking ability at the skill positions. Eric Decker didn't even solve half the problem at wide receiver. Cornerback? Idzik wasted a million bucks on the talent-free likes of Dimitri Patterson and wouldn't consider taking back a Hall of Famer-to-be still in his prime, Darrelle Revis, who made it clear he'd rather return to the Jets than play for the franchise that has tormented them. Idzik could've looked Red Auerbach smart had he applied a little common sense to the situation. Tampa Bay handed the Jets the first-round pick that would be Sheldon Richardson, paid $16 million to rehab Revis's surgically repaired knee, sent him back into free agency after one year and gave Idzik the chance to sign the corner for a reasonable $12 million. Ryan desperately wanted Revis, too, and Idzik couldn't have cared less. Jets blog As he was about to sign with New England in March, Revis and his agent sat down with Belichick and Patriots owner Robert Kraft in Palm Beach, Florida. The Jets were a topic of conversation in the meeting, of course, and when it was suggested Revis should line up at wide receiver in the two games against his former team, if only as a form of payback, Kraft enjoyed a belly laugh over the visual. People are still laughing at Idzik's Jets. Beyond passing on Revis, Idzik swung and missed on the fourth-rounder Tampa Bay gave him for the cornerback; Jalen Saunders is already going, going, gone. Revis's replacement, Dee Milliner, has done nothing but advance his college trend of getting hurt, thereby hardening Idzik's standing as an underwhelming evaluator on draft day and summoning the knocks against him before Woody Johnson put him in charge. Idzik had a history as a contract negotiator and salary-cap guy, not a chief personnel guy, which might explain why nobody interviewed him for a GM position before the Jets did, Seahawks included. None of this stopped Johnson from putting his franchise in the hands of an inexperienced candidate whose personality doesn't exactly match up with the marketplace. For those suffering Knicks fans old enough to recall, Idzik reminds of Scott Layden, a hopelessly overmatched executive who cowered under the media glare and preferred to hide behind tall buildings. It wasn't much of a surprise this past week when Idzik let Ryan make a fool of himself by defending the GM's indefensible draft record. Ryan might deserve to get fired, but over the past two years he's been better at his job than Idzik has been at his. In the end, fair or not, the GM will survive long enough to hire Rex's replacement. It would be nice if Idzik actually got that personnel call right. You know, it might even be a potential coup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 I think the biggest problem people have with john idzik, is that it should of been done thru free agency and/or draft. not half way thru a 1-6 seasons.for a guyso concerned with draft picks and cap space, he just rolled the dice on a possible 4th rounder and 7m of cap space. his attitude is well known all the way back to college. seems to have gotten a helluva lot worse in seattle. Would it have been cool to start the season with Desean and Decker, yeah...after seeing the 1-6 start and being blown out of the state of California by the Chargers. Seeing Idzik actually try to change a mistake....even better. This is actually WHY I like Idzik. The guy isn't perfect, but he makes sure to address mistakes. Goodson, Patterson, now adding that 2nd WR for a maximum of a 4th rounder. I just can't be upset at what I've seen so far. His worst job has been the draft, but even with that he's given you a rookie of the year player that didnt bust in his sophomore year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kay_gee Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 O'Conner would piss on Peyton Manning if he joined the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 This made me laugh though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 So, Idzik traded for a talented malcontent who's all but guaranteed to strangle out Geno and other teammates/coaches and probably isnt a long term solution for the team and now he's good at his job? No. And the downside is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrunder Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 John Idzik came to a team that fielded this offensive lineup at the skill set positions on offense: QB1. Mark Sanchez QB2. Tim Tebow QB3. Greg McElroy RB1. Shonn Greene RB2. Joe McKnight RB3. Bilal Powell TE1. Dustin Keller TE2. Jeff Cumberland TE3. Konrad Rueland WR1. Santonio Holmes WR2. Stephen Hill WR3. Jeremy Kerley WR4. Chaz Schiliens WR5. Clyde Gates We went from this travesty above heading along with someone of the worst cap situations in the league to this in two seasons: QB1. Geno Smith QB2. Michael Vick QB3. Matt Simms RB1. Chris Ivory RB2. Bilal Powell RB3. Chris Johnson TE1. Jeff Cumberland TE2. Jace Amaro TE3. Zach Sudfeld WR1. Eric Decker WR2. Percy Harvin WR3. Jeremy Kerley WR4. Greg Salas WR5. TJ Graham Last year everyone, including myself was very concerned with the fact that the Jets had the worst receiving corp in the league along with what the league would call "financial cap hell". In two seasons John Idzik changed this entire offensive skill set. The Jets have a top 6 or 7 RB in Ivory, who is statistically having a better season than the likes of Lesean McCoy, Eddie Lacy, Marshawn Lynch, Frank Gore etc. We have a top 5 rushing Tandem with Ivory and Powell. Now with the acquisition of Harvin, We have a respectable WR trio with Decker, Harvin and Kerley. What Idzik just did was not only provide the Jets with another another capable receiver to compliment Decker but it also gives the Jets the opportunity to actually evaluate Geno Smith....YES, evaluate a QB who in his first season had the worst receiving corp in the league and in the first 7 games only had Eric Decker. It also gives Amaro the chance to get some opportunities and it also open things up more for the running and hopefully Chris Johnson can get it going in the 2nd half. We can also contribute this trade to the Jets now having an elite Kick returner as well. Were their mistakes along this 2 year stretch?...sure. Our drafting outside of Sheldon Richardson hasn't hit, Dimitri Patterson was an obvious mistake. but many of these mistakes have been on the side of the ball that quite frankly we can deal with given that we have a defensive minded coach. My point here is that no matter your feeling regarding John Idzik, this upcoming Sunday he will field the most potent offense the Jets have had since 2010. Leave my General Manager alone! Geno is yet to show he is better than Sanchez. Vick is useless and should not even be on the team. Harvin has yet to play a down for the Jets. Decker is a nice reciever, but unless Geno pans out to be a legitimate starting QB, not even great, but decent, Idzik has sh*t the bed, its really that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Kind of wish we just drafted one of the good receivers. You can sort of understand why they took Pryor over Benjamin/Cooks, and why they took Amaro. Starting in the third round, it's just a matter of being annoyed they took McDougle over John Brown and then Saunders over Ellington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 O'Conner would piss on Peyton Manning if he joined the Jets. It's pile-on time right now. They're all so afraid to kick dirt on Coughlin again, and bashing Rex is unpopular, so they're just going to rail on Idzik until their laptops melt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 As general manager of the Jets, Idzik was tasked with putting his coach and quarterback in the best position to succeed. He failed miserably in that pursuit... When did Idzik hire his coach? Did I miss something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstilldeath77 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Please. you're alluding that I stayed away from the defense because he some how "f'ed it up". He traded a guy who wasnt team oriented in Revis....a player who would own have of this teams cap if Tanny was still around. He got Sheldon Richardson who is still looking like one of the best talents to come out of that draft class. He is basically covering up the fact that Coples is a bust by signing Antwan Barnes and Babin. Mind you, Barnes looked great in his return this past week. We need a stronger secondary, I never ran from that point. Its valid. Jet fans who hate on Idzik run from the fact that he's produced more for the team talent wise than not. He's put us in better opportunities cap wise to take advantage of such a situation heading into week 8. How many teams out there could have afforded 7 million right now to get Harvin. Better yet, how many teams had our cap problem and basically reversed it in a year? As for your comment about the talent getting worse on offense. Im liable to block you until the Jets win a Super Bowl with an Idzik built offense, which luckily for you wont be long. Yeah, OK, sure. The defensive talent isn't half what it was 3 years ago and you know it. As far as this goes... Im liable to block you until the Jets win a Super Bowl with an Idzik built offense, which luckily for you wont be long You're pathetic. Block me, Bitch. The Jets ain't never winning a Superbowl, especially with Idzik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 You're pathetic. Block me, Bitch. The Jets ain't never winning a Superbowl, especially with Idzik. You sure told me off. The heck was I thinking.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OuttaSightPF Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 John Idzik came to a team that fielded this offensive lineup at the skill set positions on offense: QB1. Mark Sanchez QB2. Tim Tebow QB3. Greg McElroy RB1. Shonn Greene RB2. Joe McKnight RB3. Bilal Powell TE1. Dustin Keller TE2. Jeff Cumberland TE3. Konrad Rueland WR1. Santonio Holmes WR2. Stephen Hill WR3. Jeremy Kerley WR4. Chaz Schiliens WR5. Clyde Gates We went from this travesty above heading along with someone of the worst cap situations in the league to this in two seasons: QB1. Geno Smith QB2. Michael Vick QB3. Matt Simms RB1. Chris Ivory RB2. Bilal Powell RB3. Chris Johnson TE1. Jeff Cumberland TE2. Jace Amaro TE3. Zach Sudfeld WR1. Eric Decker WR2. Percy Harvin WR3. Jeremy Kerley WR4. Greg Salas WR5. TJ Graham Last year everyone, including myself was very concerned with the fact that the Jets had the worst receiving corp in the league along with what the league would call "financial cap hell". In two seasons John Idzik changed this entire offensive skill set. The Jets have a top 6 or 7 RB in Ivory, who is statistically having a better season than the likes of Lesean McCoy, Eddie Lacy, Marshawn Lynch, Frank Gore etc. We have a top 5 rushing Tandem with Ivory and Powell. Now with the acquisition of Harvin, We have a respectable WR trio with Decker, Harvin and Kerley. What Idzik just did was not only provide the Jets with another another capable receiver to compliment Decker but it also gives the Jets the opportunity to actually evaluate Geno Smith....YES, evaluate a QB who in his first season had the worst receiving corp in the league and in the first 7 games only had Eric Decker. It also gives Amaro the chance to get some opportunities and it also open things up more for the running and hopefully Chris Johnson can get it going in the 2nd half. We can also contribute this trade to the Jets now having an elite Kick returner as well. Were their mistakes along this 2 year stretch?...sure. Our drafting outside of Sheldon Richardson hasn't hit, Dimitri Patterson was an obvious mistake. but many of these mistakes have been on the side of the ball that quite frankly we can deal with given that we have a defensive minded coach. My point here is that no matter your feeling regarding John Idzik, this upcoming Sunday he will field the most potent offense the Jets have had since 2010. Leave my General Manager alone! Amen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I was just sick of Tanny and his clueless, head scratching ways. And that memory is still fresh for some reason. Maybe every time when someone mentions the Holmes shower champagne pic it brings all of those cruel memories back from the Tanny era. On the other hand I like a GM with a plan. Idzik is that guy. Although the Harvin trade was an aberration to that approach think he is still on his path to build thru the draft. Not impressed with his draft in the middle rounds at all. He has been awful there or this team would be much further along. But its just two off seasons. I won't mind being patient for another 2-3 seasons to see where this team is. I think, in every GM plan, there is a codicil: do not reject a good value if it presents itself. Voila! Percy Harvin with no guaranteed money. so I do not see him veering off of his plan. This was a no brainer. You just could not plan it well in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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