SonnyJet Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Another player we couldve got in the first...Long speed and good size. Couldve been our deep ball threat and number 2 wr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 And Rex would have been doing his boy Seth a favor and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I think the Jets decided in January who they were going to take in the 4th round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 The talent we seemed to have missed out with at WR in this draft, along with how many WRs we actually drafted, is pretty nuts. It's like Idzik just decided he'd throw darts at a board rather than make an actual draft board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Please explain. What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 He was taken in the 4th or 5th round lol. This is his first game ever, Stephen Hill had a good game in his rookie year once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 He's the guy I wanted in the 4th this year. No idea why you take Saunders or Evans when you have a raw size speed guy to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Count me as one of those who wanted him in the fourth. Steelers are a good organization, wouldn't be suprrising if he finds success there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Wow. A guy we didn't draft made a play. Fire the GM immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 He was taken in the 4th or 5th round lol. This is his first game ever, Stephen Hill had a good game in his rookie year once. One of only 3 good games. I f'ing hate Hill with a football passion. Alshon Jeffery should have been a HOF Jet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Wow. A guy we didn't draft made a play. Fire the GM immediately. The problem is the guy we drafted is making plays in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 One of only 3 good games. I f'ing hate Hill with a football passion. Alshon Jeffery should have been a HOF Jet. Our scouts undervalue guys like Alshon and draft Stephen Hill and Jalen Saunders...can you name the last (see edit) all-pro we drafted with Bradway building our draft board. We missed out on a ton of value throughout this draft year...Woody needs to hire you for WR drafting. edit to add: offensive type player... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPBanBadPosters Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Another player we couldve got in the first...Long speed and good size. Couldve been our deep ball threat and number 2 wr. What do you mean in the first? We could have got him in the fourth when we were busy picking Jalen Saunders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Wow. A guy we didn't draft made a play. Fire the GM immediately. Not for nothing but the Steelers seem to draft WRs very well the past couple of years...I'd like to see us at least try to hire the guy behind the scenes in the scouting process...at the very least fire Bradway and his band of brothers...just my two cents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Our scouts undervalue guys like Alshon and draft Stephen Hill and Jalen Saunders...can you name the last (see edit) all-pro we drafted with Bradway building our draft board. We missed out on a ton of value throughout this draft year...Woody needs to hire you for WR drafting. edit to add: offensive type player... And I would gladly take the job and build that WR corp right from my mac pro scouting via youtube! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 One of only 3 good games. I f'ing hate Hill with a football passion. Alshon Jeffery should have been a HOF Jet. How do you know Alshon Jeffrey would have made the same progress with the JETS and Sanjay Lal as he did with the Bears ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 How do you know Alshon Jeffrey would have made the same progress with the JETS and Sanjay Lal as he did with the Bears ? I do you know he wouldnt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 The Jets draft this year was unquestionably a disaster, but are we really meant to believe that if any of these guys were playing with Geno as their QB, they would be doing anywhere near as well as they are playing with real QBs with actual talent? Most of these guys we're bitching about not having, we'd probably be bitching about if the Jets did have. Keep in mind that this particular guy didn't even make the Steelers active gameday roster prior to this week. Of course that's still better than not even being on the team, but it wouldn't have stopped all of us from dubbing it as another useless, wasted pick in a deep WR class if he was doing on the same on the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I do you know he wouldnt? Given our success rate at developing WR's i have my doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 The Jets draft this year was unquestionably a disaster, but are we really meant to believe that if any of these guys were playing with Geno as their QB, they would be doing anywhere near as well as they are playing with real QBs with actual talent? Most of these guys we're bitching about not having, we'd probably be bitching about if the Jets did have. Keep in mind that this particular guy didn't even make the Steelers active gameday roster prior to this week. Of course that's still better than not even being on the team, but it wouldn't have stopped all of us from dubbing it as another useless, wasted pick in a deep WR class if he was doing on the same on the Jets. The difference for me is how we treated the fourth round with WRs. I just can't understand the rationale of the Saunders pick at all when there's a guy who is a raw size-speed guy on the board. Bryant may end up busting at the end of the day, but why not take a guy with a high ceiling instead of taking the guy who is small and grossly undersized but does not even possess superior agility to make up for it? More than just wanting Bryant though is just being salty about passing on so many promising WR talent in the draft. It was a position of great need for us and there was a lot of talent to choose from and we partook in none of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 The difference for me is how we treated the fourth round with WRs. I just can't understand the rationale of the Saunders pick at all when there's a guy who is a raw size-speed guy on the board. Bryant may end up busting at the end of the day, but why not take a guy with a high ceiling instead of taking the guy who is small and grossly undersized but does not even possess superior agility to make up for it? More than just wanting Bryant though is just being salty about passing on so many promising WR talent in the draft. It was a position of great need for us and there was a lot of talent to choose from and we partook in none of it. The Jets don't scout enough players. Only answer that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Given our success rate at developing WR's i have my doubts. Thats fair. I guess what I can say is that based on collegiate statistics, there was no way in the world we should have drafted Stephen Hill over Jeffery. Besides the point of development, which is valid by the way, Alshon Jeffery was simply a better WR than Hill ever was coming out of college. It was the dumbest draft pick I've seen the Jets do based on who was still available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Lets not get too carried away about Bryant. He has two catches on the season -- maybe he will be a really good receiver someday, but its not like he is tearing up the league. If you look at the guys drafted 4th round or lower, Robert Herron of TB has 6 catches/58 yards to lead round 4-7 rookies. Its not like we missed out on a ton of production to date. Obviously you can criticize the Saunders pick since he is no longer with the team. But to me, the issue is more that we waited until the 4th round to address what probably was our greatest area of immediate need. The likelihood of getting a guy that late in the draft who will make a difference in year 1 is pretty slim. Maybe Shaq Evans or Enunwa will turn out to be really good players some day. Maybe they never amount to anything. But its not like there were other guys on the board when we picked that are having a big impact through the first half of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Thats fair. I guess what I can say is that based on collegiate statistics, there was no way in the world we should have drafted Stephen Hill over Jeffery. Besides the point of development, which is valid by the way, Alshon Jeffery was simply a better WR than Hill ever was coming out of college. It was the dumbest draft pick I've seen the Jets do based on who was still available. Obviously, Jeffery is a far better NFL player than Hill, but at the time of the draft, Jeffery was coming off of a season where his production had dropped from 88 receptions as a soph to 49 receptions in his junior year. Drop in production was attributed to his weight gain -- he gained about 20 lbs between soph and jr seasons. A lot of teams were scared off by his work ethic and being out of shape. 20-20 hindsight it was a great pick by the Bears, but at the time, they were taking a huge risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 The talent we seemed to have missed out with at WR in this draft, along with how many WRs we actually drafted, is pretty nuts. It's like Idzik just decided he'd throw darts at a board rather than make an actual draft board. What makes it even harder to swallow was that everyone and their mom knew the dire need for playmakers and he passed up so many easy picks for three straight wiffs in a row, meanwhile Pryor is still struggling. Cherry on top is Clinton-Dix having an excellent start and already considered a true future center fielder for the Pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Lets not get too carried away about Bryant. He has two catches on the season -- maybe he will be a really good receiver someday, but its not like he is tearing up the league. If you look at the guys drafted 4th round or lower, Robert Herron of TB has 6 catches/58 yards to lead round 4-7 rookies. Its not like we missed out on a ton of production to date. Obviously you can criticize the Saunders pick since he is no longer with the team. But to me, the issue is more that we waited until the 4th round to address what probably was our greatest area of immediate need. The likelihood of getting a guy that late in the draft who will make a difference in year 1 is pretty slim. Maybe Shaq Evans or Enunwa will turn out to be really good players some day. Maybe they never amount to anything. But its not like there were other guys on the board when we picked that are having a big impact through the first half of the season. imo I understand these are mid to late round picks but if you go 3 all at then same position and ALL 3 suck than you suck. Especially when it was your biggest need and you passed on the no brainers for another player who is sucking. (Although I'd like to guess Pryor will be a solid player) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 The difference for me is how we treated the fourth round with WRs. I just can't understand the rationale of the Saunders pick at all when there's a guy who is a raw size-speed guy on the board. Bryant may end up busting at the end of the day, but why not take a guy with a high ceiling instead of taking the guy who is small and grossly undersized but does not even possess superior agility to make up for it? More than just wanting Bryant though is just being salty about passing on so many promising WR talent in the draft. It was a position of great need for us and there was a lot of talent to choose from and we partook in none of it. Oh yeah, I don't disagree with any of this. Trust me, I'm not even remotely defending the Jets' idiocy here. Just pointing out how many on this board bust a nut every time any other player from the entire draft makes just one single play (in this case, quite literally). It's one thing to think the Jets crapped themselves in this draft and it's tough to dispute, it's another thing entirely to act like every nobody in the draft would have been the Jets saving grace and their one-time performances should be baselessly extracted out over an entire career with the ridiculous theory that these performances would be just as good, if not better, despite significantly inferior QB play and supporting cast. Besides, the last thing we need is to be providing any more opportunities for Villain to keep jerking himself off over Jeffrey unless he wants to start just as often reminding everyone of all the players he's been completely wrong about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 LOL at comparing Saunders and Hill. They are complete opposites as picks. Saunders had plenty of college production. He had a 1,000 yard season, 3 straight years over 50 catches with two different schools and 26 receiving TDs. The reason not to pick Saunders was measurables. He is a light flyweight and not particularly fast. The opposite of Hill, but hey! Our scouting Department ALWAYS DOES THAT! Jalen Saunders workout warrior! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 imo I understand these are mid to late round picks but if you go 3 all at then same position and ALL 3 suck than you suck. Especially when it was your biggest need and you passed on the no brainers for another player who is sucking. (Although I'd like to guess Pryor will be a solid player) My point is that the only one you can call a bad pick at this point is Saunders. To me, the mistake is not in who we picked in rounds 4 & 6 (other than Saunders) -- but that we waited until the 4th try to solve for our biggest need when there were so many great prospects available in the earlier rounds. There were 5 4th round receivers picked in this draft -- between them they have 7 receptions. It was not realistic to expect any of the three to make in impact this year. Sucks that Evans is on IR and we will have to wait until next year to see what he can do. IMO, Enunwa was a project and was never expected to make in impact this season. I am not prepared to say that they suck just because they are not having an impact this year, especially when their draft position suggests that they are not likely to have an impact as rookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 It was the dumbest draft pick I've seen the Jets do based on who was still available. JETS are on top of the world when it comes to making the dumbest pick at WR. I would argue picking a midget int he 4th round was the dumbest pick at WR ever. Atleast Stephen Hill made it onto the field for about 500 yards of contribution in two seasons and stretched the field vertically and defensive coordinators had to plan for him no matter how (in)effective he was. Saunders never belonged in the NFL as a WR. Never had one catch and looked like a waste of 4th round pick the moment the pick was made. For Alshon, think where they were at that point of time no doubt Alshon should have been drafted first. But at the same time i think if developed properly Stephen Hill could have been a beast. I am not sure why Sanjay Lal still has a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 welp this one hurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 lol, Jalen ******* Saunders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 He's cooking today, this is the first I heard of him, and this thread makes me sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 He's cooking today, this is the first I heard of him, and this thread makes me sad. Not even a joke...the board has a better idea what the draft is about more than the Jets do. Bryant was an obvious pick in round 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Not even a joke...the board has a better idea what the draft is about more than the Jets do. Bryant was an obvious pick in round 4. Sure but he's got a capable QB throwing to him. That helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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