ebonix Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 .. Babin, at least he gets upfield and gets pressure & hits on the QB. It's pretty clear that Coples doesn't have the flexibility and quickness to play LB, he's too stiff. He's better against the run than Babin but overall, other than the occasional flash of talent, he's been a disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 coples is a streaky player, he will be back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Disappointment yes, bust no. I think it is pretty funny to say he can't play LB, then compare Babin to him favorably. Babin is basically useless on non-passing downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Disappointment yes, bust no. I think it is pretty funny to say he can't play LB, then compare Babin to him favorably. Babin is basically useless on non-passing downs. Agree Must say though I am very disappointed in Coples this year. He reminds me of the way Bryan Thomas developed. Brought in as a pass rusher, over time developed into a solid run support guy, but never hit the jackpot as a big pass rusher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sully28 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I don't think you can label Coples a bust, Gholston, Hill, and Kyle Wilson are busts. Coples has dissapointed but is capable of starting for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 But wat abt the breakthru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPBanBadPosters Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Both. Ideally, if we had a HC capable of changing his scheme to play to the strengths of our roster, as opposed to forcing round pegs into square holes, Coples would be playing LDE in a 4-3. Playing a ~280lb man as a 3-4 OLB is farcical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 He's not 280 and our other "OLB" are. This is not your grandfather's 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 The perfect embodiment of the Rex Era, really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Bryan Thomas Part Deux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPBanBadPosters Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 He's not 280 and our other "OLB" are. This is not your grandfather's 3-4. You're right, he's actually 290: http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/roster/Quinton-Coples/c19cfeb1-62db-43dc-9c04-10d1459a52b2 He's a 4-3 DE playing out of position as an OLB in a 3-4. Wrecks forcing players who don't fit his scheme into positions that don't suit them, rather than change his scheme to fit the players on his roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 You're right, he's actually 290: http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/roster/Quinton-Coples/c19cfeb1-62db-43dc-9c04-10d1459a52b2 He's a 4-3 DE playing out of position as an OLB in a 3-4. Wrecks forcing players who don't fit his scheme into positions that don't suit them, rather than change his scheme to fit the players on his roster. If you are going to "research" you should go a bit deeper than the team roster. He was 284 at the combine. They probably planned to move him to DE and he came in heavier for 2013, but they drafted Richardson, so to make the best of a bad situation moved him to OLB. He broke his ankle and missed some of camp. He weighs 270 now. I'm not sure why you don't remember this, but there were several threads about it. It was part of the reason people thought he "wuz abt 2 breakthru" http://nypost.com/2014/07/25/weight-loss-could-help-jets-coples-live-up-to-billing/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPBanBadPosters Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 If you are going to "research" you should go a bit deeper than the team roster. He was 284 at the combine. They probably planned to move him to DE and he came in heavier for 2013, but they drafted Richardson, so to make the best of a bad situation moved him to OLB. He broke his ankle and missed some of camp. He weighs 270 now. I'm not sure why you don't remember this, but there were several threads about it. It was part of the reason people thought he "wuz abt 2 breakthru" http://nypost.com/2014/07/25/weight-loss-could-help-jets-coples-live-up-to-billing/ Are you seriously trying to argue that he isn't playing out of position at OLB? He's too slow and can't drop into coverage. Drafting Richardson shouldn't have precluded us from moving Coples to DE; on the contrary, it should have facilitated it, along with the move to a 4-3 - that is, if we didn't have a supposed "defensive genius" running the show who's dedicated not to winning, but to doing things "his way." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I think he is a bust. He was tagged in college as somewhat lazy. Took plays off and didn't have a great motor. yet Tanny took him in first round anyway. Tanny was a legendary reacher - Stephen Hill, Kyle Wilson, Vlad Ducasse and Coples were all examples of this. Not his fault he was drafted wayyyy above what he should have been. Rex is always looking for pass rushers and seems to see qualities in guys that don't exist, except in his eyes. Which is one reason Rex will be say bye-bye after this season ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 You're right, he's actually 290: http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/roster/Quinton-Coples/c19cfeb1-62db-43dc-9c04-10d1459a52b2 He's a 4-3 DE playing out of position as an OLB in a 3-4. Wrecks forcing players who don't fit his scheme into positions that don't suit them, rather than change his scheme to fit the players on his roster. coples is not a 4-3 defensive end. he is best suited for defensive tackle, as are all of the dlineman.they are all best suited for the interior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Bryan Thomas Part DeuxThen he'll have one huge season in his contract year and we'll give him a huge contract like jackasses and he'll go back to sucking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebonix Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 You're right, he's actually 290: http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/roster/Quinton-Coples/c19cfeb1-62db-43dc-9c04-10d1459a52b2 He's a 4-3 DE playing out of position as an OLB in a 3-4. Wrecks forcing players who don't fit his scheme into positions that don't suit them, rather than change his scheme to fit the players on his roster. I would agree with this, more than some of the other posts on this. I had a real negative feeling when Rex tried to make him into a LB. He coulda been a Jason Taylor type at DE, if they left him alone..... ( assuming he has the motivation.) Hope we don't have Rex to screw up the D along with the O, next year, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 The perfect embodiment of the Rex Era, really bad tattoos and no talent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 bad tattoos and no talent? Oh, I thought he just lost a bunch of weight and started sucking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyJet Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 All coples did in college was over power his guy. All of his sacks came from a bull rush. I knew he would never be an adequate pass rusher, because he simply doesnt have any moves. Bonafide pass rushers have great hands, a go too move, and a counter. Coples showed non of that in his tenure at Carolina. Chandler Jones played out of his ****in mind at Syracuse. Showed everything we needed and he was a NY kid. Thought it would be a no brainer to draft him...Im tired of Rex as a talent evaluator. He just doesnt have that eye and his scouts clearly dont either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Are you seriously trying to argue that he isn't playing out of position at OLB? He's too slow and can't drop into coverage. Drafting Richardson shouldn't have precluded us from moving Coples to DE; on the contrary, it should have facilitated it, along with the move to a 4-3 - that is, if we didn't have a supposed "defensive genius" running the show who's dedicated not to winning, but to doing things "his way." I am saying that he is basically playing as a DE in this system. It is nice for everybody to think he'd do better if we structured a D around him, but he showed nothing to make me think that playing with his hand in the dirt as a rookie. The coach moved him around and has worked with the kid as much as possible. Rex is not the best head coach, but he IS a ******* defensive genius and has adapted to what he has been given much better than our previous coaches. Busting Rex for this known dog doing nothing is typical bullsh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPBanBadPosters Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I am saying that he is basically playing as a DE in this system. It is nice for everybody to think he'd do better if we structured a D around him, but he showed nothing to make me think that playing with his hand in the dirt as a rookie. The coach moved him around and has worked with the kid as much as possible. Rex is not the best head coach, but he IS a ******* defensive genius and has adapted to what he has been given much better than our previous coaches. Busting Rex for this known dog doing nothing is typical bullsh*t. Adapted to what he's been given? Are you sh*tting me? Rex is the one who promised to draft that "known dog" if he was still available: “I knew coach Rex Ryan had promised me that if we got to that pick, and I was still there, he was definitely going to pick me and I am just thankful he is a man of his word,” Coples said. “He just told me that if I was there at 16 he was going to take me. No matter what.” But keep parroting the discredited meme that Rex's fingerprints aren't all over this pile of sh*t that is the NYJ roster. It's no coincidence that the talent declined dramatically from the Mangini years once Rex took over as HC. If we had someone running the show who knew how to evaluate talent worth a damn, maybe we would've taken someone like Chandler Jones instead of "this known dog." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Adapted to what he's been given? Are you sh*tting me? Rex is the one who promised to draft that "known dog" if he was still available: “I knew coach Rex Ryan had promised me that if we got to that pick, and I was still there, he was definitely going to pick me and I am just thankful he is a man of his word,” Coples said. “He just told me that if I was there at 16 he was going to take me. No matter what.” But keep parroting the discredited meme that Rex's fingerprints aren't all over this pile of sh*t that is the NYJ roster. It's no coincidence that the talent declined dramatically from the Mangini years once Rex took over as HC. If we had someone running the show who knew how to evaluate talent worth a damn, maybe we would've taken someone like Chandler Jones instead of "this known dog." Tell me again how Rex have been running 0 blitzes all year with these corners. IF the roster is on Rex, then I blame Woody and the GMs. I thought they fired the GM for providing a sh*t roster. I don't want a GM bending to the will of the coach and that is the main reason I am 100% okay with Rex being canned and I was from the day they hired Idzik. I think the owner should hire the GM, the GM should pick the coach and the coach should pick the assistants. If Mangini was picking the roster, they should have hired him as GM cause he sure couldn't coach and he is the one that was square pegging Robertson and Vilma, but go on with your bad self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPBanBadPosters Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Tell me again how Rex have been running 0 blitzes all year with these corners. IF the roster is on Rex, then I blame Woody and the GMs. I thought they fired the GM for providing a sh*t roster. I don't want a GM bending to the will of the coach and that is the main reason I am 100% okay with Rex being canned and I was from the day they hired Idzik. I think the owner should hire the GM, the GM should pick the coach and the coach should pick the assistants. If Mangini was picking the roster, they should have hired him as GM cause he sure couldn't coach and he is the one that was square pegging Robertson and Vilma, but go on with your bad self. Don't think I absolve Woody from blame - this all stems from him hiring weak GMs with no background in personnel. And I don't care how unpopular an opinion it may be - Gholston aside, Mangini was damn good at shopping for groceries. While he wouldn't be my first choice, I'd swap him with Idzik tomorrow if given the option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 What is it with this team and losing weight....all of a sudden, you suck at your job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 He doesn't live up to the hype but what Rex players do. He DOES get the job done. No reason to spend a high pick on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 IF the roster is on Rex, then I blame Woody and the GMs. uhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 The perfect embodiment of the Rex Era, really Yep, Jets could have had Chandler Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 uhh Yes. That is exactly what I meant to say. I want a GM that will stand up the coach on personnel matters. If the GM is unwilling or unable to do that, then he is useless. If the GM is useless I would blame Woody and Simons, Bennet, Oppenheimer and Taft or whoever the **** hires these guys. I generally expect the GM to provide the offseason 80+ player roster and have the coach have much more impact on who is cut. The Jets have basically cut one useful player since Rex got here. I can't think of anybody other than Woodhead that has done anything anywhere else, which is why I tend to find Shane's "player development" angle a joke. I can hardly think of anybody they cut loose that is even on a roster. Jetsrule is hardling posting. Jeremiah George? Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Mm hmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Yep, Jets could have had Chandler Jones. Hurt again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I think I've seen him make 3 plays all season. Whatever the reason or excuse one wants to make he is a bust......No different than Kyle Wilson or Hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 he is pretty much what the scouting report said he would be. he flashes brilliance, then disappears. He takes on OT's and stands them up and sets the edge, then he chases down a ball carrier from behind. He seems to have every skill you would want in a defender He also reminds me of BT in another way. I used to call BT "mr. almost" he was always around the ball, around the play, but seemed to just barely miss making the play. Coples is like that. Gets near the QB, flushes him, but someone else gets the sack. There is value in this player, he does some things that don't get noticed, but he needs to find that dominant brilliant player more often than once a week I don't know that he is out of position. There are times he is a DE with his hand in the dirt. Call it OLB in the program, but he is on the end of the line in a 4 pt stance. I don't know if DT would be a more productive position for him. I don't know if he has line up there this year as he has done in the past that's the risk with tweeners, sometimes they are are a mismatch nightmare, sometimes they can't find a role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Mr. Almost Jr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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