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5 reasons Percy Harvin can succeed with Jets

 

 

FLORHAM PARK — Percy Harvin somehow managed to make it through his first three days with the Jets without fighting with anyone. (At least as far as we know!) Already, then, the Jets' trade for him is shaping up to be a success.

 

 

Jokes aside, the Jets are on the hook to pay Harvin roughly $6.5 million for the remainder of the season, per spotrac.com—a figure revised down from previous reports of $7.1 million because his trade from the Seahawks on Friday happened during Week 7, rather than Week 6. The more you know. And that $6.5 million represents the last of the guaranteed money Harvin is owed on his contract, which theoretically extends as far as 2018 but in real-world NFL terms means it's essentially a prove-it deal for every season beyond this year.

 

 

But enough with the shareholder's prospectus. Let's get down to what benefits Harvin can provide for the Jets.

 

 

1. Deep threat. Before the Seahawks shipped him to the Jets for a bag of cider donuts, Harvin had been targeted 26 times this season, according to Pro Football Focus, and none were throws longer than 20 yards. In addition, Harvin had been positioned in the slot on roughly three-fourths of his snap counts. Why would the Jets want that? Simple: The Seahawks have other deep threats like Doug Baldwin and Jermaine Kearse. The Jets don't have anyone other than Eric Decker who can stretch a defense. Harvin, with his 4.41 speed, brings that kind of capability, even if that wasn't how he was utilized in Seattle.

 

 

2. Hands. Harvin has 22 catches on those targets this season, and PFF says he hasn't dropped a single one. Not counting 2013, when an injury kept him out of all but one regular-season game, Harvin has never dropped more than six passes in a season. And in 2010 and 2011, when he was with the Vikings, Harvin was targeted more than 100 times. Note to Jets: Throw him the ball. He'll probably catch it.

 

 

3. Yards per route run. PFF has this neat stat called yards per route run, which takes into account all of the snaps a receiver ran a route, even if he wasn't targeted or caught a pass. Harvin's YPRR this year is just 1.22, but, again: The Seahawks weren't sending him deep. But when he was with the Vikings, this was how Harvin's YPRR broke down, year by year, and how it ranked among wideouts targeted at least 50 percent of the NFL high for targets in a given season:

 

 

• 2009: 2.31 (7th)

• 2010: 2.41 (4th)

• 2011: 2.50 (5th)

• 2012: 2.59 (6th)

 

4. Kickoff returns. The Jets went into the season with Saalim Hakim as their kickoff returner and rookie Jalen Saunders as the punt returner. Both got demoted (and Saunders got cut) in favor of rookie Walter Powell. But Harvin has returned five kickoffs for touchdowns in his career, and Jets head coach Rex Ryan said earlier this week, "I think it’s safe to say he is going to return kicks." So let it be done.

 

5. The run game. The Seahawks did rush Harvin 11 times for 92 yards this season (8.4 yards per carry), and they were especially effective using him on the jet sweep back in Week 1 against the Packers. Harvin can bring the same sort of dynamic to the Jets, who can also use him in some of read-option packages they've run at times this season, with mixed success.

 

Dom Cosentino may be reached at dcosentino@njadvancemedia.com. Follow him on Twitter @domcosentino. Find NJ.com Jets on Facebook.

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The kid has some serious talent. When was the last time the Jets had a true playmaker like this? I honestly don't know.

 

I'd say Santana Moss was the last Jet who had a skillset like Harvin's, and no, I'm not just comparing their heights. 

 

I'm talking about game-breaking return skills, all-around versatility as a receiver and a nightmare for defenders in space.

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all a moot point without a QB that can get him the ball...............he can't catch what isn't thrown to him............just sayin

 

oh and he will love the wildcat.............. :screwy::blowup:

 

Actually the type passes that Harvin usually catches, are the same ones that Smith had a lot of success at WV throwing to Austin.  They don't travel more then 5 yards.  Hard to miss 

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Actually the type passes that Harvin usually catches, are the same ones that Smith had a lot of success at WV throwing to Austin.  They don't travel more then 5 yards.  Hard to miss 

those passes will get picked off by dlinemen and lb's in the nfl.............the speed is alot different and if geno just think he can throw the ball randomly like he did at WV then we are in even more trouble.

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Not always true.  Eli came in and sucked so bad they got Plaxico Burress for him to straighten out.  Plenty of other cases where mediocre or worse QBs suddenly get a lot better when an outstanding receiver comes on their team.  It's known that receivers have to "help out a young QB" by making plays so that the team builds momentum and the young QB plays better.  What receivers have been making a play for Geno in the last two years, outside of Kerley?

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Not always true.  Eli came in and sucked so bad they got Plaxico Burress for him to straighten out.  Plenty of other cases where mediocre or worse QBs suddenly get a lot better when an outstanding receiver comes on their team.  It's known that receivers have to "help out a young QB" by making plays so that the team builds momentum and the young QB plays better.  What receivers have been making a play for Geno in the last two years, outside of Kerley?

to qoute another poster  the year before indy drafted luck they were 4-12 after getting him they were 11-5 did the whole team change?  Did they suddenly have 6 new WR's?

 

how has some of those former wr's like austin collie do after he left peyton?

 

like i said a good QB can make it work.

 

better yet who is austin davis throwing to?

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to qoute another poster  the year before indy drafted luck they were 4-12 after getting him they were 11-5 did the whole team change?  Did they suddenly have 6 new WR's?

Exactly the opposite situation.  Curtis Painter showed himself to be terrible that year because he had a quality team and quality receivers and he belly flopped.  Geno had his first year with only one quality WR-Kerley-and Kerley was hurt for several games.  He played much better when Kerley was in-and he was a rookie.  The Jets decided to give Geno receivers this year so they got Decker and drafted a bunch, none of whom made it.  And Decker has been in and out of the lineup and not 100% most of the time he's in.   So Geno still doesn't have a real NFL complement of receivers-basically he's just a little above last year.  And last year was 1 receiver.

 

how has some of those former wr's like austin collie do after he left peyton?

like i said a good QB can make it work.

better yet who is austin davis throwing to?

Don't you bother answering questions you are asked before you start your own questions?

Like I said, Eli stunk until the Giants got him Plaxico, and then he won a Super Bowl.  In fact, Plaxico was hurt so bad most of one season that he didn't even practice, but they suited him up game after game just because Eli needed him so badly. 

Why would that be?

Mark Brunell was considered all washed up at Washington until suddenly Santana Moss came to town.  Santana rejuvenated his career.  By no means is this list complete.  Usually a team smart enough to get a good QB can also get him decent receivers, but the Jets have hit a drought.

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Exactly the opposite situation. Curtis Painter showed himself to be terrible that year because he had a quality team and quality receivers and he belly flopped. Geno had his first year with only one quality WR-Kerley-and Kerley was hurt for several games. He played much better when Kerley was in-and he was a rookie. The Jets decided to give Geno receivers this year so they got Decker and drafted a bunch, none of whom made it. And Decker has been in and out of the lineup and not 100% most of the time he's in. So Geno still doesn't have a real NFL complement of receivers-basically he's just a little above last year. And last year was 1 receiver.

Don't you bother answering questions you are asked before you start your own questions?

Like I said, Eli stunk until the Giants got him Plaxico, and then he won a Super Bowl. In fact, Plaxico was hurt so bad most of one season that he didn't even practice, but they suited him up game after game just because Eli needed him so badly.

Why would that be?

Mark Brunell was considered all washed up at Washington until suddenly Santana Moss came to town. Santana rejuvenated his career. By no means is this list complete. Usually a team smart enough to get a good QB can also get him decent receivers, but the Jets have hit a drought.

So curtis painter inherited a good team because it looked good with manning? Thats what we call circular logic in polite terms, and horsepucky in slightly less polite terms.

If he didnt have the good fortune to catch passes from manning for a short period of time, no one outside of indy wouldve ever heard of austin collie.

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I don't know what Austin Collie is supposed to prove.  He had two good years with Manning where he averaged 50+ receptions and 600+ yards.  His year with Curtis Painter he had 50+ receptions and 500+ yards.  There was a big drop in TDs, but then Painter only threw 6 the whole season.  After that, nothing.

 

The Colts had great receivers in 2011 with Reggie Wayne and Pierre Garcon.  In 2012 they had Wayne and TY Hilton.  I think most would call that quality, and the team as a whole won 11 games and went to the playoffs.  So they were good for years before Painter, and good for years after Painter, from which we can logically assume the problem might well have been Painter.  This situation is nothing like Geno's.

 

Meanwhile, I would point out again what happened between Eli and Plaxico Burress.  Eli was terrible before him, and improved rapidly when he got to the team. At one point he was injured so bad the team let him skip practice for most every game that year, but he played because Eli needed him badly.  A case study of a QB who couldn't find his way without a set of quality receivers, and who functioned well once he got them.

 

And of course, Mark Brunell who was all washed up in Washington until he connected every week with Santana Moss.  A good solid receiving corps is a must for a developing young QB, and until now we've given Geno table scraps.

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I don't know what Austin Collie is supposed to prove.  He had two good years with Manning where he averaged 50+ receptions and 600+ yards.  His year with Curtis Painter he had 50+ receptions and 500+ yards.  There was a big drop in TDs, but then Painter only threw 6 the whole season.  After that, nothing.

 

The Colts had great receivers in 2011 with Reggie Wayne and Pierre Garcon.  In 2012 they had Wayne and TY Hilton.  I think most would call that quality, and the team as a whole won 11 games and went to the playoffs.  So they were good for years before Painter, and good for years after Painter, from which we can logically assume the problem might well have been Painter.  This situation is nothing like Geno's.

 

Meanwhile, I would point out again what happened between Eli and Plaxico Burress.  Eli was terrible before him, and improved rapidly when he got to the team. At one point he was injured so bad the team let him skip practice for most every game that year, but he played because Eli needed him badly.  A case study of a QB who couldn't find his way without a set of quality receivers, and who functioned well once he got them.

 

And of course, Mark Brunell who was all washed up in Washington until he connected every week with Santana Moss.  A good solid receiving corps is a must for a developing young QB, and until now we've given Geno table scraps.

which is my point painter=geno

 

manning would get that team to the playoffs or winning the division every year.

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how about something more recent how did greg jennings look when he had aaron rodgers in green bay now how does he look now that he doesn't have a QB in minny?

 

Jennings is on a pace for 60/800.  That was Kerley's best season and we just gave him $4M per.  Nobody is saying you don't need a QB.  They are saying that it can be hard to evaluate when you WRs are start Nelson and Salas for weeks at a time.  

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Jennings is on a pace for 60/800.  That was Kerley's best season and we just gave him $4M per.  Nobody is saying you don't need a QB.  They are saying that it can be hard to evaluate when you WRs are start Nelson and Salas for weeks at a time.  

that is what i am saying we are so starved for something good to happen to the jets most on here are willing to settle for mediocrity

 

geno

kerley

fb bonny boy

the cb's

safeties

wrecks

salas

nelson

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Yeah.  Makes perfect sense.  Harvin fits right in with Salas and Nelson.

no but harvin is not going to help genos ten cent head or is it going to help wrecks awful gameday preperation

 

harvin is not going to help geno be able to read a defense.

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