bealeb319 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 im getting sick of people who are crying for us to draft mariota. first off I believe we have a qb who may never be elite but will be good enough. first off mariota is a duel threat qb he does a lot of running meaning he is more likely to get injured, second there are not many qbs who like to scramble and end up being successful in the league (im not talking about scrambles that can be seen by aaron Rodgers where he will run if no one is open and he has a clear lane for a first down then he slides) but more along the lines of rg3 where he will sometimes run before checking for all other options. you can argue russel Wilson however he is a bit different in that once he begins to run he will still look down field to see if anyone is open before going into a full scramble. that being said duel threat qbs are fun to watch but if you really want to win you want a more traditional quarterback as they are typically more reliable (how many of the qbs in the elite bracket are duel threat qbs?) the other thing is any qb that we bring in is going to need time to build up a tolerance for the jets fan base who are quick to scream for the next guy up after a qb plays one bad game. I honestly think geno is going to develop still and we need to give him a little more time and be patient with him. atleast give him until the end of the season and see what he can do now that we have a couple of players who can catch the ball. that being said im just going to leave you all with some statistics to add some perspective to this. payton manning rookie year 1998 3739 yards 26 td 28 int 3 fumbles / tom brady first full year 2001 2843 18 td 12 int 13 fumbles / drew brees 2002 first full year 3284 yards 17 td 16int / Philip rivers 2006 first full year 3388 yards 22 td 9int 8 fumbles / Andrew Luck rookie year 2012 4374 yards 23 td 18int 10 fumbles / geno smith 2013 rookie year 3046 yards 12 td 21 int 8 fumbles. *note that the fumbles listed are not all fumbles lost but all total fumbles by the qb before anyone goes crazy I want to make it clear that by no means do I think geno will ever be as good as any of these guys. but the point I am trying to make is these guys who are or will be in the elite bracket did not get there overnight their first seasons they looked nothing like the future hall of famers who they are now and if you guys really want a good qb regardless of who it is you need to give them time to develop and stop screaming that they suck and we need to replace them every year to every other year. Geno has not even played 1 and a half seasons yet in the NFL and it is ridiculous to already kick him to the curb. alright anyway I am done so go ahead and bring on the trolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 im getting sick of people who are crying for us to draft mariota. first off I believe we have a qb who may never be elite but will be good enough. first off mariota is a duel threat qb he does a lot of running meaning he is more likely to get injured, second there are not many qbs who like to scramble and end up being successful in the league (im not talking about scrambles that can be seen by aaron Rodgers where he will run if no one is open and he has a clear lane for a first down then he slides) but more along the lines of rg3 where he will sometimes run before checking for all other options. you can argue russel Wilson however he is a bit different in that once he begins to run he will still look down field to see if anyone is open before going into a full scramble. that being said duel threat qbs are fun to watch but if you really want to win you want a more traditional quarterback as they are typically more reliable (how many of the qbs in the elite bracket are duel threat qbs?) the other thing is any qb that we bring in is going to need time to build up a tolerance for the jets fan base who are quick to scream for the next guy up after a qb plays one bad game. I honestly think geno is going to develop still and we need to give him a little more time and be patient with him. atleast give him until the end of the season and see what he can do now that we have a couple of players who can catch the ball. that being said im just going to leave you all with some statistics to add some perspective to this. payton manning rookie year 1998 3739 yards 26 td 28 int 3 fumbles / tom brady first full year 2001 2843 18 td 12 int 13 fumbles / drew brees 2002 first full year 3284 yards 17 td 16int / Philip rivers 2006 first full year 3388 yards 22 td 9int 8 fumbles / Andrew Luck rookie year 2012 4374 yards 23 td 18int 10 fumbles / geno smith 2013 rookie year 3046 yards 12 td 21 int 8 fumbles. *note that the fumbles listed are not all fumbles lost but all total fumbles by the qb before anyone goes crazy I want to make it clear that by no means do I think geno will ever be as good as any of these guys. but the point I am trying to make is these guys who are or will be in the elite bracket did not get there overnight their first seasons they looked nothing like the future hall of famers who they are now and if you guys really want a good qb regardless of who it is you need to give them time to develop and stop screaming that they suck and we need to replace them every year to every other year. Geno has not even played 1 and a half seasons yet in the NFL and it is ridiculous to already kick him to the curb. alright anyway I am done so go ahead and bring on the trolls. Eye test Bro, he just doesn't pass it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ali Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 why are you people so afraid of so called trolls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Do they not teach punctuation or capitalization or anything in school anymore? Damn common core! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I want no part of mariota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 GENO SMITH IS THE MAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I gave up reading fairly quickly, waiting for spark note version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I think we should draft a corner in rd 1 next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LurkerKing Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Eye test Bro, he just doesn't pass it! You're talking to "first off, first off" about the eye test??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I think we should draft a corner in rd 1 next year Who's going to coach him up if we lose Rex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPBanBadPosters Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 LOL @ posting a "don't draft Mariota" thread the day after he throws 5 TD's. If properly developed (by someone other than Rex), he's a rich man's Kaepernick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 im getting sick of people who are crying for us to draft mariota. first off I believe we have a qb who may never be elite but will be good enough. first off mariota is a duel threat qb he does a lot of running meaning he is more likely to get injured, second there are not many qbs who like to scramble and end up being successful in the league (im not talking about scrambles that can be seen by aaron Rodgers where he will run if no one is open and he has a clear lane for a first down then he slides) but more along the lines of rg3 where he will sometimes run before checking for all other options. you can argue russel Wilson however he is a bit different in that once he begins to run he will still look down field to see if anyone is open before going into a full scramble. that being said duel threat qbs are fun to watch but if you really want to win you want a more traditional quarterback as they are typically more reliable (how many of the qbs in the elite bracket are duel threat qbs?) the other thing is any qb that we bring in is going to need time to build up a tolerance for the jets fan base who are quick to scream for the next guy up after a qb plays one bad game. I honestly think geno is going to develop still and we need to give him a little more time and be patient with him. atleast give him until the end of the season and see what he can do now that we have a couple of players who can catch the ball. that being said im just going to leave you all with some statistics to add some perspective to this. payton manning rookie year 1998 3739 yards 26 td 28 int 3 fumbles / tom brady first full year 2001 2843 18 td 12 int 13 fumbles / drew brees 2002 first full year 3284 yards 17 td 16int / Philip rivers 2006 first full year 3388 yards 22 td 9int 8 fumbles / Andrew Luck rookie year 2012 4374 yards 23 td 18int 10 fumbles / geno smith 2013 rookie year 3046 yards 12 td 21 int 8 fumbles. *note that the fumbles listed are not all fumbles lost but all total fumbles by the qb before anyone goes crazy I want to make it clear that by no means do I think geno will ever be as good as any of these guys. but the point I am trying to make is these guys who are or will be in the elite bracket did not get there overnight their first seasons they looked nothing like the future hall of famers who they are now and if you guys really want a good qb regardless of who it is you need to give them time to develop and stop screaming that they suck and we need to replace them every year to every other year. Geno has not even played 1 and a half seasons yet in the NFL and it is ridiculous to already kick him to the curb. alright anyway I am done so go ahead and bring on the trolls. before anyone goes crazy I want to make it clear that by no means do I think geno will ever be as good as any of these guys. but the point I am trying to make is these guys who are or will be in the elite bracket did not get there overnight their first seasons they looked nothing like the future hall of famers who they are now and if you guys really want a good qb regardless of who it is you need to give them time to develop and stop screaming that they suck and we need to replace them every year to every other year. Geno has not even played 1 and a half seasons yet in the NFL and it is ridiculous to already kick him to the curb.UH, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING. AND IT'S CRAP. The "Good QB X had a rough patch, therefore SMith/Sanchez will be as good". IS NONSENSE. Give us the legion of Klinglers, Leafs, Russells,Marinovichs, Dave Browns,et al(who mostly sucked and never got it) who are far more numerous than than the good ones. Because this nonsense argument has been getting made around here for 6 years and NOBODY ever tells us those awful numbers. And those are Geno Smith's true comparables. May be you should start with those stats and then get back to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Who's going to coach him up if we lose Rex? saban ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemusclyde Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 im getting sick of people who are crying for us to draft mariota. first off I believe we have a qb who may never be elite but will be good enough. first off mariota is a duel threat qb he does a lot of running meaning he is more likely to get injured, second there are not many qbs who like to scramble and end up being successful in the league (im not talking about scrambles that can be seen by aaron Rodgers where he will run if no one is open and he has a clear lane for a first down then he slides) but more along the lines of rg3 where he will sometimes run before checking for all other options. you can argue russel Wilson however he is a bit different in that once he begins to run he will still look down field to see if anyone is open before going into a full scramble. that being said duel threat qbs are fun to watch but if you really want to win you want a more traditional quarterback as they are typically more reliable (how many of the qbs in the elite bracket are duel threat qbs?) the other thing is any qb that we bring in is going to need time to build up a tolerance for the jets fan base who are quick to scream for the next guy up after a qb plays one bad game. I honestly think geno is going to develop still and we need to give him a little more time and be patient with him. atleast give him until the end of the season and see what he can do now that we have a couple of players who can catch the ball. that being said im just going to leave you all with some statistics to add some perspective to this. payton manning rookie year 1998 3739 yards 26 td 28 int 3 fumbles / tom brady first full year 2001 2843 18 td 12 int 13 fumbles / drew brees 2002 first full year 3284 yards 17 td 16int / Philip rivers 2006 first full year 3388 yards 22 td 9int 8 fumbles / Andrew Luck rookie year 2012 4374 yards 23 td 18int 10 fumbles / geno smith 2013 rookie year 3046 yards 12 td 21 int 8 fumbles. *note that the fumbles listed are not all fumbles lost but all total fumbles by the qb before anyone goes crazy I want to make it clear that by no means do I think geno will ever be as good as any of these guys. but the point I am trying to make is these guys who are or will be in the elite bracket did not get there overnight their first seasons they looked nothing like the future hall of famers who they are now and if you guys really want a good qb regardless of who it is you need to give them time to develop and stop screaming that they suck and we need to replace them every year to every other year. Geno has not even played 1 and a half seasons yet in the NFL and it is ridiculous to already kick him to the curb. alright anyway I am done so go ahead and bring on the trolls. All I got from this was that you never watched Mariota play. I believe last night he just passed Andrew Luck's td record in the pac 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemusclyde Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 And in case any one of you idiots respond with a comment about how he plays in a gimmick offense, must I remind you that his team sucks. Seriously everyone dick rides Winston when the dude has the most talented team in the nation. Matt Leinart/Sanchez 2.0. Seriously who the hell does Mariota have? A crap o line that is injury plagued? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Do they not teach punctuation or capitalization or anything in school anymore? Damn common core! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 duel threat qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 payton manning Payton? One of the greatest QB's of all time and you cant even spell his name right? Your opinions of any QB is immediately null and void. Please go into the corner and feel shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floridajet Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 To be fair Geno is doing a good job by himself in getting kicked to the curb. Certainly rooting for him but no longer holding my breath. He is running out of chances. He played a good game but fails terribly inside the red zone. JMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Eye test Bro, he just doesn't pass it! Neither did vinny (literally). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Absent a miraclulous, and standard deviation defying leap the last half of this season, no way in Hell idzik puts his ass on the line by not bringing in an alternaive to Geno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 mrs. smith, can you convince us geno is the answer ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucrenegade Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Eye test Bro, he just doesn't pass it! yep +10000000000000000000 all the athleticism in the world can't make up for a ten cent head. and athleticism will win you alot of games in college but not the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Iunno about not drafting Mariota, but I do think Geno is going to be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 It would be our luck to get the top pick this year, get stuck with Mariota. Then the following year the top pick will be Hackenberg, and someone else will get the next great QB in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 First off... First off.... Second off... Apparently they don't teach counting anymore either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 im getting sick of people who are crying for us to draft mariota. first off I believe we have a qb who may never be elite but will be good enough. first off mariota is a duel threat qb he does a lot of running meaning he is more likely to get injured, second there are not many qbs who like to scramble and end up being successful in the league (im not talking about scrambles that can be seen by aaron Rodgers where he will run if no one is open and he has a clear lane for a first down then he slides) but more along the lines of rg3 where he will sometimes run before checking for all other options. you can argue russel Wilson however he is a bit different in that once he begins to run he will still look down field to see if anyone is open before going into a full scramble. that being said duel threat qbs are fun to watch but if you really want to win you want a more traditional quarterback as they are typically more reliable (how many of the qbs in the elite bracket are duel threat qbs?) the other thing is any qb that we bring in is going to need time to build up a tolerance for the jets fan base who are quick to scream for the next guy up after a qb plays one bad game. I honestly think geno is going to develop still and we need to give him a little more time and be patient with him. atleast give him until the end of the season and see what he can do now that we have a couple of players who can catch the ball. that being said im just going to leave you all with some statistics to add some perspective to this. payton manning rookie year 1998 3739 yards 26 td 28 int 3 fumbles / tom brady first full year 2001 2843 18 td 12 int 13 fumbles / drew brees 2002 first full year 3284 yards 17 td 16int / Philip rivers 2006 first full year 3388 yards 22 td 9int 8 fumbles / Andrew Luck rookie year 2012 4374 yards 23 td 18int 10 fumbles / geno smith 2013 rookie year 3046 yards 12 td 21 int 8 fumbles. *note that the fumbles listed are not all fumbles lost but all total fumbles by the qb before anyone goes crazy I want to make it clear that by no means do I think geno will ever be as good as any of these guys. but the point I am trying to make is these guys who are or will be in the elite bracket did not get there overnight their first seasons they looked nothing like the future hall of famers who they are now and if you guys really want a good qb regardless of who it is you need to give them time to develop and stop screaming that they suck and we need to replace them every year to every other year. Geno has not even played 1 and a half seasons yet in the NFL and it is ridiculous to already kick him to the curb. alright anyway I am done so go ahead and bring on the trolls. you can only use "first off" once. after that if you insist of continuing to number your points it's second, third, fourth etc....... now: first off: your points are not good second: instead of numbering them incorrectly you should have considered not making them at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Tired of waiting for someone to turn it around- we need someone that gives us good results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Ok fair enough , can I kick Geno to the curb for someone else ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrunder Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 First, no reason to kick Geno to the curb to get another QB, you should get the best guy available next year, and hope that one of them is good, if its Geno, great, if the other guy, great. First off, you should always be trying to improve your QB situation until you find a true franchise guy, whatever it takes. And to begin with, you should never be afraid of having too many good QB's. And to start, you can always trade a quality QB for likely more than you gave up for him, they are that rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComfortablyNumb Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I want Crab legs Winston. He's the pro style QB. A gamer, gunslinger. Unfazed by pressure....rises to the occasion.....pre snap reads...goes through progressions....and can take off if all else fails. Forget the shenanigans, he's worth the risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I want Crab legs Winston. He's the pro style QB. A gamer, gunslinger. Unfazed by pressure....rises to the occasion.....pre snap reads...goes through progressions....and can take off if all else fails. Forget the shenanigans, he's worth the risk. Really torn. Crab Legs is physically the best. But he's gonna be an off field disaster.Winston despite great talent is a dumbass. A GM has to decide; is it gonna be a Rothliseberger type livable situation or Leaf/Schlichter/Russell/marinovich levels of recurring bad stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComfortablyNumb Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Really torn. Crab Legs is physically the best. But he's gonna be an off field disaster.Winston despite great talent is a dumbass. A GM has to decide; is it gonna be a Rothliseberger type livable situation or Leaf/Schlichter/Russell/marinovich levels of recurring bad stuff. He's a dumbass for sure. In the locker room and on the field he's their unquestioned leader. Took over as a redshirt freshman on a team loaded with nfl players. Worth the risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 He's a dumbass for sure. In the locker room and on the field he's their unquestioned leader. Took over as a redshirt freshman on a team loaded with nfl players. Worth the risk. He's looked terrible. He doesn't prepress through reads. He panics. That throw off his back foot for an INT against Notre Dame was laughable. He's not ready and no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Winston's good. Off the field stuff is concerning...but he's shown it doesnt bother him on the field. I'm torn on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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