TRADE dept. " NFL Trade Deadline Primer : Bears, Redskins among 10 that... " ~ ~ ~

[kelly]

A year ago I used this very space to implore the Falcons to do the right thing and deal Tony Gonzalez to a contender (Seattle wanted him badly). I urged the Giants to take some draft picks for Hakeem Nicks and Justin Tuck, as they would not be contending and were about to lose them anyway. I begged the Titans to take whatever they could get for Kenny Britt and pleaded with the Vikings to take a mid-round pick for Jared Allen and let him move on to greener pastures.And, well, all of those teams ended up faltering, as expected, and holding on to those veterans (some with bloated salaries) as expected, and those players ended up wrapped up in the compensatory pick equation (for the 2015 draft, however, not 2014) after they invariably signed elsewhere. I would have been out there shopping them tirelessly last October and trying to get the best package possible in return as soon as possible rather than spending so much time telling the media why they wouldn't or shouldn't be traded.

That brings us to this season, and another trade deadline looming on Tuesday afternoon, and another set of decisions for teams to make. So I'm here to make it simple for many of them. Sure, parity has run rampant in this league and you can stare at the standings long enough and make yourself believe anything, but the Bucs and Falcons, even in the odious NFC South, are out of it. They are sellers and would be smart to sell and load up on picks for next year.Redskins, I know you love to spend money, but I'd be looking to trim payroll now and streamline for the future. Raiders and Titans, you know you are dying to save a little coin, so go ahead and do it if at all possible as your product can't get much worse and some of these replacements might surprise you.Bears, yeah, this applies to you as well and you might as well start trying to get younger now. Rams, in your division, fuhgeddaboudit. The Jaguars are over even in that division (but I don't see many trade options there).

So, who precisely would I be dangling ? Here's a team-by-team look.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Trading Vincent Jackson would save a little over half of his $10 million salary, and after just signing Gerald McCoy to a massive deal, why not take the savings? Jackson is unlikely to be still getting his $10M annual salary from the Bucs by the time they turn things around, and while you don't have to make a move and he's still a quality receiver, this team might as well get as young as possible.I know they want a second for him but I'd settle for a third. How about the Browns? They have plenty of cap space and imagine if they added Jackson and then get Josh Gordon back from suspension in a few weeks? They'd actually have some legit targets for Brian Hoyer to hit on the outside.If someone wants to take on Doug Martin and try to revitalize him, let them (Chargers have lost a bunch of running backs; Pats as well) and take a mid-round pick if you can get it since they can't wait to play Charles Sims when he comes off IR-Designated to Return, anyway. And if anyone wants to eat half of Dashon Goldson's $6M salary, take anything you can get. Can't imagine picking up his 2015 roster bonus of $3M. Oh, and I'd give the Bears a call about Josh McCown for bleeps and giggles; he did almost get them to the playoffs a year ago. (OK, even by the standards of this particular column, which is mostly just me noodling, this is beyond a stretch, but I couldn't help myself and it leads so nicely into the second item if you stick with it).

Jacksonville Jaguars: Defensive end Chris Clemons is kinda exactly what the Seahawks are looking for, isn't he? To try to boost their sagging front seven and put a charge in the pass rush? And, oh yeah, he spent the last few years there doing just that. His $4.7M in guaranteed money is paid, his base is just $1.47M and he's set to make $3M per year on the remainder of his deal.He's a great vet to have in Jacksonville, but let's face it, the Jags are going to need a bunch of pass rushers as they try to dig out of a huge hole. There is so much camaraderie and respect between these organizations with coach Gus Bradley leaving Seattle to become head coach of Jacksonville in 2013, Clemons knows Seattle well, is already a fit in that locker room, which has been under scrutiny in recent weeks. So what if he was a cap casualty there just a few months ago? Might be worth it for a Seahawks team in Super Bowl or bust mode.

Oakland Raiders: Under Al Davis, the team would have been shopping any and every veteran making any money at all. And given the fact they are the lone winless team in the NFL, maybe they still should be. The decision to go old and sign a bunch of over-30 guys in free agency looks pretty bad right now, and maybe someone will take on Charles Woodson or Justin Tuck or Matt Schaub (still kinda pricey at over $2M for half a season). I'd certainly be trying to shop them.But the guy who might have real value is Sebastian Janikowski. He doesn't have the leg he once did, but if I am the Browns or the Saints, for instance, or the Bengals, I'd be intrigued. All his guaranteed money is paid, he makes $2.7M this season and if a team wants to pay him $3M a year in the future, so be it. Or he could be cut. Smart teams are going very young and very cheap with the kickers and the Raiders aren't anywhere close to contending for a while. Enough teams that are at least somewhat in the hunt need a kicker that I'd try to get a few bidding and see how high a pick he might fetch.

Atlanta Falcons: Not trading Gonzalez to a winning team last year, while en route to a season that ended up with a 4-12 record and them falling miserably out of contention quickly was criminal (especially when one considers the Seahawks went on to win the Super Bowl and Gonzo could have gone out like Ray Lewis). But I digress.If it was me, I'd be shopping Roddy White's contract, but that might be a tough sell. Devin Hester, however, would undoubtedly have demand, and with a $1M base salary and $2.5M next season, he could be more than a rental for a contending team. His work at receiver has been better than ever and a team like Seattle (Paul Richardson now being used in the base offense more), Baltimore (too many fumbles from Jacoby Jones), maybe even New England (used four different kick returners already), could use a spark in the return game. Seattle once dealt for Leon Washington. Hester has Hall of Fame credentials on special teams, hasn't slowed down much and is as motivated as ever. Seems like the kind of guy Bill Belichick would like, drawn to accomplished veterans. Can change a game in an instant with a kick or punt return. Well worth shopping.

Chicago Bears: Not too many tradeable commodities, and I know Lance Briggs has been hurt, and missed three straight games with a rib injury, but he'll be back, and by the time he is this defense could be headed to setting some fairly brutal franchise records. Briggs is a free agent at season's end, re-signing him wouldn't make much sense for a lot of reasons, and, well, his old boss Rod Marinelli is doing wonders with that Dallas defense, but few know how to play outside linebacker in his system the way Briggs does and for a Dallas defense short on individual talent in its front seven, and one many believe will need fortification, who better than this guy?Chicago would save a little more than half his $4.75M salary. Jerry Jones can damn near smell the Super Bowl and you know he's all-in and this kind of a thing would be right up his alley, anyway. Briggs could be like another coach while his rib heals, and if he's better than Justin Druant at the weakside linebacker spot, then roll with him. He lives and breathes the Tampa-2. Go bold Jerry. Go bold.

St. Louis Rams: I realize I've linked the Seahawks with nearly every player here, but in reality they are one of the most aggressive franchises in the NFL and they are one of the most active teams leading into the deadline trying to improve their roster. Trading within a division can be taboo, but it's no secret the Seahawks really want a dynamic tight end to add to their offense and Jared Cook's guaranteed money has been paid out, his base is a modest $3M this season and one wonders will the Rams be paying him $7M a year moving forward?The Rams have Lance Kendricks in the fold, and his cap numbers are radically different from Cook's. There doesn't seem to be too many tight ends of any caliber available and I'd see if the Rams will move him. With the RG3 trade bounty gone, and the Rams still in need of help, additional draft picks would be of worth to them.

Tennessee Titans: I'm not sure anyone would take Andy Levitre's contract off their hands (are the offensive-line wounded 49ers desperate enough to do it?), but I'd be wanting to get Jake Locker out of town now that the recent first-round pick has been deposed. Charlie Whitehurst can back up. Locker's salary is cheap – would he be a better backup in Baltimore than Tyrod Taylor if injury struck? Receiver Nate Washington is in the last year of his deal with a base of $4.8M, and he's available, and linebacker Kamerion Wimbley (no future guarantees, $2.25M base salary) might be of some interest to teams as well (kind of thought New England would have plucked him but ended up with Titans linebacker Akeem Ayers in a trade last week instead.

Washington Redskins: From everything I've heard, owner Dan Snyder isn't in sell mode (when is he?) and dumping any veterans is unlikely, but with them paying DeSean Jackson big money already and having to pay tight end Jordan Reed big money if he can stay healthy, and them unsorted at the quarterback position, and depleted of so many picks the last few years from the RG3 trade, I'd see if Cleveland or Seattle or San Francisco or New England or Kansas City or whomever had an interest in Pierre Garcon.He has a $7.1M base, and his guarantees are paid, making it a team-friendly pay-as-you-go situation ($7.1M base salaries each of the next two years). This team has so many holes on defense and along the offensive line, it doesn't make sense to have so many assets sunk into the receiving corps. Garcon's yards per reception is way down and could have some decent value on the open market. And maybe you can get a sixth-round pick for Santana Moss (making the $955,000 veteran minimum), who could play the slot for a needy team, but doesn't see the field much at all in Washington.

Minnesota Vikings: Receiver Greg Jennings likely isn't going to be making $9M a year with this team moving forward, and while he's been nice for Teddy Bridgewater, someone might take the rest of is $4.9M 2014 base salary off your hands. Paying him $9M a year would be tough, but the return on him would also be limited given his age and the fact other teams would be viewing him as a rental.


New York Jets : David Harris is playing hard and I'm sure the Jets want him back in the future at a reduced rate from his current mega-contract as an impending free agent. But you could trade him and still re-sign him. That's allowed, you know. He makes $4.9M this season in the final year of his deal and with all of Arizona's injuries to its front seven, or the Chargers linebacker woes or the 49ers' rash of injuries I wonder if he makes sense for one of those teams.The Jets might as well go as young as can be, and with one win at the midpoint of the season, it can't get much worse with him or without him. Antwan Barnes has been in demand at times in the past as a situational pass rusher, and with a $1.2M salary he won't save the Jets much money and is a nice player to have around, but other teams could target him for precisely those reasons. John Idzik already made one big trade, getting Percy Harvin, maybe he'll make more. Barnes with the Seahawks, Idzik's old employers who dealt him Harvin, doesn't seem crazy to me.


So there you have it. My brain hurts after all of that, and, in the end, it's going to be largely for naught. We all know not much happens in the NFL at the deadline. It would be great if more teams were willing to deal, or willing to acknowledge their situation and begin to move proactively for the future. But it's rarely the case this time of year.

~ Odds and ends from Week 8

~ ~ That trick play the Jets tried, with the decoy falling down in the endzone and then popping up to try to catch a lateral (!!!) from Percy Harvin around the goalline on a kickoff return? Yeah they can sink that in the Meadowlands swamp. Immediately. Saying all of that, Harvin's impact was felt most on special teams. Geno Smith threw one of three quick interceptions trying to force a ball to Harvin, and with where Mike Vick is at this point, and where the Jets are, I say stick with Geno …

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> http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/...at-should-sell

 

[HessStation]

I would trade (sell high) Ivory and Mangold right now. Granted Mangold isn't playing at the same level he once was but his name and reputation might get you some takers still in a playoff hunt with a need. 

 

Are second round picks too high for either? I would dangle that carrot along with Harris.

[Integrity28]

I would trade (sell high) Ivory and Mangold right now. Granted Mangold isn't playing at the same level he once was but his name and reputation might get you some takers still in a playoff hunt with a need. 

 

Are second round picks too high for either? I would dangle that carrot along with Harris.

 

Is it the Colts that are on their 3rd center right now? Or am I thinking of the wrong team.

 

I agree with you though, Brick and Mangold have to be trade considerations right now. Ivory, for sure. Harris, Barnes, Coples... if we're starting a rebuild next year, which is how it looks and feels, then get more picks. 

 

Then get a "football man" to use them. LOL

[Warfish]

Best way to rebuild your O-Line is not to trade the one great guy ON your current O-Line.

 

No trading Mangold.  Build around Mangold.

 

He is still one of, if not the, best Center in the NFL.

[HessStation]

Best way to rebuild your O-Line is not to trade the one great guy ON your current O-Line.

 

No trading Mangold.  Build around Mangold.

 

He is still one of, if not the, best Center in the NFL.

I WAS SOOOOO WITH YOU, the last 5 years. Been SCREAMING about it. It never happened. He'll be 31 start of next season. i feel like that opportunity has passed.

 

Plus we're not talking about just rebuilding the OL anymore, we're talking about the entire team.

[JayKwaz]

Trade Geno for Locker. See if you can move other guys for picks.

[pointman]

Trade Ivory and then what? Look for another RB on the cheap? Yeah yeah, running backs aren't in demand like they once were.. but shoot. When you hit on something that is good, relatively cheap, and young you stay with it.

[peebag]

I WAS SOOOOO WITH YOU, the last 5 years. Been SCREAMING about it. It never happened. He'll be 31 start of next season. i feel like that opportunity has passed.

 

Plus we're not talking about just rebuilding the OL anymore, we're talking about the entire team.

 

this - by the time we have the tools to actually compete, Mangold will be way past his prime.

[HessStation]

Trade Ivory and then what? Look for another RB on the cheap? Yeah yeah, running backs aren't in demand like they once were.. but shoot. When you hit on something that is good, relatively cheap, and young you stay with it.

 

Regardless there's NO WAY Idzik is trading away the one positive thing he can point his finger at and say, "that was me."

 

I was just thinking, in terms of trade value and the fact this team is, at minimum, still a few years away. 

[Powpow]

whats the point. Idziot has proven to have no clue whatsoever when it comes to drafting talent.  This team has already been set back years with his lousy drafts the last 2 years.

He needs a permanent  vacation along with Rex.  Sometimes  you just have to move on regardless of your feelings.  This is one of those times.

[kelly]

call the pats mr. " i-man "...


~ ~ Pats looking for a running back

APAs the trade deadline approaches, the Patriots are indeed looking to upgrade their offense. But not at the receiver position.

Per a league source, the Pats and coach Bill Belichick are looking for a running back.Stevan Ridley was lost for the season with a torn ACL. Shane Vereen has filled in.

It’s unclear whether the Patriots will pull something off before the trade deadline. They have until Tuesday at 4:00 p.m. ET to make something happen.

> http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...artner=ya5nbcs

[joewilly12]

The Bucs will consider offers for RB Doug Martin and S Mark Barron ahead of Tuesday's 4pm ET trade deadline.

The Bucs are also getting calls on Vincent Jackson, but he's highly unlikely to get moved. Martin, on the other hand, has been the subject of heavy rumors over the last week. He's averaged just 3.36 yards per carry over the last two seasons, has been brutal in pass protection and the Lovie Smith regime inherited him. Charles Sims (ankle) is expected to be active and have a role against the Browns Sunday whether Martin gets moved or not. Barron, the No. 7 overall pick in 2012, has three interceptions and one forced fumble in 37 career games while consistently grading out in the bottom third of PFF's safety grades.

 

S Mark Barron and Pryor would be a decent pairing 100x better than Landry and others

[#27TheDominator]

 

S Mark Barron and Pryor would be a decent pairing 100x better than Landry and others

 

 

Safety is pretty low on our needs list and we should be selling, not buying under these circumstances.  FWIW, the Rams already made the move for a 4ht and 6th. The Rams should be selling too, but that is another matter. 

[Jack Straw]

This probably isn't the appropriate time to bring up the fact that Mangold is overrated, right?

[joewilly12]

This probably isn't the appropriate time to bring up the fact that Mangold is overrated, right?

Nick Mangold is the best center in the NFL

[IPBanBadPosters]

I would trade (sell high) Ivory and Mangold right now. Granted Mangold isn't playing at the same level he once was but his name and reputation might get you some takers still in a playoff hunt with a need. 

 

Are second round picks too high for either? I would dangle that carrot along with Harris.

 

I'd keep Ivory since he's young and still has a good amount of tread left on those tires, but I agree 100% on Mangold. SF's starting C is out for the season with a broken ankle, so I'd start there. I'd also look to move Harris, Brick…basically anyone older who isn't in the medium to long term plans. Look to rebuild the OL with young studs like Dallas did.

 

This is why the Harvin trade was so inexplicably stupid to me. A team like ours in a lost season should be sellers, not buyers.

[win4ever]

I wish we moved a couple of our veterans, like Pace. Team is out this year and he's a free agent. And we have enough money and needs to spend that I doubt we're getting compensation picks.

[Jack Straw]

Nick Mangold is the best center in the NFL

 

Yeah, I know. I've heard it for the past nine years.

[kelly]

This probably isn't the appropriate time to bring up the fact that Mangold is overrated, right?

 

ok ,..trade him while we can still get something in return...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

cheers ~ ~

[#27TheDominator]

I wish we moved a couple of our veterans, like Pace. Team is out this year and he's a free agent. And we have enough money and needs to spend that I doubt we're getting compensation picks.

 

Calvin Pace is not a FA.  He signed a two year deal and his only real value is to us for knowing the D. A tweener DE/OLB with no pass rush moves?  He will likely be out of the league when he leaves this team.

[CanadaSteve]

Yeah, I know. I've heard it for the past nine years.

That's because he has been consistently ranked as either the best/one of the best by the league and the media.

Not sure who you have been watching the past nine years though.

[TheSage]

No trade for draft picks if Idzik's doin' the pickin'

[Jack Straw]

That's because he has been consistently ranked as either the best/one of the best by the league and the media.

Not sure who you have been watching the past nine years though.

 

I'm not saying Nick Mangold isn't good, I'm just saying he's overrated. Not sure why that's so controversial. Players can be good but overrated. Not the end of the world.

[kelly]

No trade for draft picks if Idzik's doin' the pickin'

 

..not to worry,..i'll do the pickin' ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

cheers ~ ~

[TheSage]

It would be an upgrade and probably a more coherent press conference

[Jetsfan80]

Regardless there's NO WAY Idzik is trading away the one positive thing he can point his finger at and say, "that was me."

 

 

He acquired Ivory for a 4th.  If he can then flip him for a 3rd or better he can still point to that as a net positive.  As much as I like Ivory, he's very injury prone and an expendable piece.

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

I would trade (sell high) Ivory and Mangold right now. Granted Mangold isn't playing at the same level he once was but his name and reputation might get you some takers still in a playoff hunt with a need.

Are second round picks too high for either? I would dangle that carrot along with Harris.

Realistically? You're not getting one second round pick for all three of them.

[Powpow]

I'd keep Ivory since he's young and still has a good amount of tread left on those tires, but I agree 100% on Mangold. SF's starting C is out for the season with a broken ankle, so I'd start there. I'd also look to move Harris, Brick…basically anyone older who isn't in the medium to long term plans. Look to rebuild the OL with young studs like Dallas did.

 

This is why the Harvin trade was so inexplicably stupid to me. A team like ours in a lost season should be sellers, not buyers.

Unfortunately, football isn't like baseball and trades don't come easy or as often. Not sure why. But your prognosis makes tons of sense. Jets OL is ancient.

It needs to be turned over and revamped across the board.  Dozier looks promising. Maybe its because he hasn't played much yet.   

[#27TheDominator]

Realistically? You're not getting one second round pick for all three of them.

 

 

I'll take it!