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QB, coach, or GM - can only replace one


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So with a ton of topics screaming to get rid of all of the above I thought it would be interesting to see what everyone thinks is most important.

If only one can be replaced and other two have to stay, which do you want?

I say QB, of course it means a good one. QB can hide a bunch of other ills that A bad GM leaves. Any coach looks better with a good QB.

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QB - give Rex and Idzik a QB and we're not asking for their heads.

 

Its the only position that matters on the entire team.  Unfortunately that's what the NFL has become.  The game is totally different and its the only sport in the world that is completely dependent on 1 position and if that position isnt solid, you're irrelevant.

 

Maybe the Bucs or Ravens type season happens again in the next 10-20 years, maybe...probably not because the product is completely watered down but if you want to sustain success in the NFL, you need a superstar QB.  Bottom line.  The rest is meaningless. 

 

The NFL really sucks to be honest.  I always said NFL was king...but these days, I think the NCAA is a better product.  And I'm saying that in the midst of the worst 2 Gators seasons I've ever seen. 

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If the assumption is whomever we replace will be good...It has to be QB.  A good QB is by far the most valuable piece of any NFL organization.  Other pieces all fall in place once you have the QB...

 

With that said...

 

Kill - QB  (thrown enough bad INT's to create the rage)

***** - Coach - (seems like it would be a wild ride - and I'm a foot guy)

Marry GM (I can be a stay at home dad)

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QB - give Rex and Idzik a QB and we're not asking for their heads.

Its the only position that matters on the entire team. Unfortunately that's what the NFL has become. The game is totally different and its the only sport in the world that is completely dependent on 1 position and if that position isnt solid, you're irrelevant.

Maybe the Bucs or Ravens type season happens again in the next 10-20 years, maybe...probably not because the product is completely watered down but if you want to sustain success in the NFL, you need a superstar QB. Bottom line. The rest is meaningless.

The NFL really sucks to be honest. I always said NFL was king...but these days, I think the NCAA is a better product. And I'm saying that in the midst of the worst 2 Gators seasons I've ever seen.

Problem with this logic: nobody can " give" them a QB. It's their job to find one, they haven't, and that us the crux of this situation and why we want their heads on platter.

Stop saying "give them a QB and..." It is naive. It ignores that both of these men are in charge of finding and developing a QB. Literally that is 100% their job.

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Problem with this logic: nobody can " give" them a QB. It's their job to find one, they haven't, and that us the crux of this situation and why we want their heads on platter.

Stop saying "give them a QB and..." It is naive. It ignores that both of these men are in charge of finding and developing a QB. Literally that is 100% their job.

 

I'll say whatever the **** I want but my point remains the same.  I didnt mean they shouldnt have to find one and just give them one, all though that would be pretty sweet since neither are capable.  It was like more a figure of speech or something. Clearly its their job and nobody is going "give them a QB".  Only a dumbass like you would take it literally.

 

How about this, if they had found a QB we'd all have a little bit more understanding and forgiveness with their other flaws. Better?

 

QB is the only thing that matters in NFL.  

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I am going to buck the trend a little bit and say GM -- although the thought of another season of Rex and Geno does make me more than a little bit queasy.

 

If we could guarantee that we were replacing Geno with a franchise QB like Andrew Luck or Aaron Rodgers, I would jump aboard the QB bandwagon, but I have no faith in this GM's ability to evaluate talent or in this coaching staff's ability to develop a QB.  If I want change, I am going to start at the top.  Lets get a good football guy in here who can evaluate the job that both the coach and QB are doing and make further change as needed down the road.  I expect that we will wind up doing the opposite and keep the GM but change coach and QB for next season.

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I'll say whatever the **** I want but my point remains the same.  I didnt mean they shouldnt have to find one and just give them one, all though that would be pretty sweet since neither are capable.  It was like more a figure of speech or something. Clearly its their job and nobody is going "give them a QB".  Only a dumbass like you would take it literally.

 

How about this, if they had found a QB we'd all have a little bit more understanding and forgiveness with their other flaws. Better?

 

QB is the only thing that matters in NFL.  

 

Well, when you combine "just give them a QB" and "Rex is a great" the implied part is that you don't think Rex has failed to develop a QB, because it's on someone else to give him one, which isn't the case. Head coaches are 100% accountable for making sure their players develop.

 

These are literal statements you make all the time. Don't blame other people for taking them literally and not being able to anticipate what you really meant, if you mean something other than what you say, then you aren't saying the right things.

 

I've got an 11 AM deadline today, otherwise I'd have loved to strung this along and made you look even more foolish than you are capable of doing on your own.

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As much as I 100% agree that Rex has to be gone this offseason, if we assume that whoever the replacement is will be successful, then it has to be either the QB or the GM.  QB is obvious for all of the reasons already mentioned, and the only reason I think you could also argue GM is because, in theory, a successful GM should mean that he's going to find the Jets a QB, so it's kind of a two-for-one.  Despite the mess that is Rex Ryan, there's no question the massive difference a top notch QB can make on a team, even with an incompetent head coach.  Just look at Jim Caldwell's career with the Colts.  Under those circumstances, Rex could actually get away with being a DC pretending to be a HC.

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If we're getting our hands on a true franchise QB? Then it's QB, hands down. 

 

In the face of even worse failure than 2015, a new GM and HC can always be hired a year later. A new QB isn't nearly as easy to find on demand. Take one when you can get one; don't assume that move can be made on demand in the future.

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you cant just replace the qb. you would be stuck with the same incompetence trying to find and develop a new qb

you cant  just replace the gm. you will run into the same shallow gm pool you ran into when idzik was hired

you cant just replace the coach. what coach is going to want the job knowing that the gm is on his way out after another bad year

the clean sweep is the only intelligent option at this point.

if you asked me which of the 3 is worse at there job?

1.idzik

2.geno

3.ryan

in that order

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QB - give Rex and Idzik a QB and we're not asking for their heads.

 

Its the only position that matters on the entire team.  Unfortunately that's what the NFL has become.  The game is totally different and its the only sport in the world that is completely dependent on 1 position and if that position isnt solid, you're irrelevant.

 

Maybe the Bucs or Ravens type season happens again in the next 10-20 years, maybe...probably not because the product is completely watered down but if you want to sustain success in the NFL, you need a superstar QB.  Bottom line.  The rest is meaningless. 

 

The NFL really sucks to be honest.  I always said NFL was king...but these days, I think the NCAA is a better product.  And I'm saying that in the midst of the worst 2 Gators seasons I've ever seen. 

Jif...totally agree with you on the way the NFL has made the QB the only thing that counts. Serious question for you on the Gators. Are they bad because of the coach or bad QB, or both? Eerily similar to the Jets.

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Well, when you combine "just give them a QB" and "Rex is a great" the implied part is that you don't think Rex has failed to develop a QB, because it's on someone else to give him one, which isn't the case. Head coaches are 100% accountable for making sure their players develop.

 

These are literal statements you make all the time. Don't blame other people for taking them literally and not being able to anticipate what you really meant, if you mean something other than what you say, then you aren't saying the right things.

 

I've got an 11 AM deadline today, otherwise I'd have loved to strung this along and made you look even more foolish than you are capable of doing on your own.

 

You're an idiot, where did I say Rex was great in my post?  I've made it quite clear over the last month I want the Jets to start over, no matter what my opinion is/was of Rex Ryan.  It was a choice of words that wasnt literal and you took it to heart.  Any reasonable person could come to the conclusion that I didnt literally mean, just give them the QB like its not their responsibility.  Its pretty F'ing obvious to anyone with a brain, that finding and developing are on the GM and HC.  That was implied.  Nothing else.  Once again, proving you're a total moron who cant think outside the box, takes themselves way too seriously and instead of discussing the topic at hand, you've chose to start a fight over a poor choice of words.  

 

Way to go, Ape!

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qb and it isn't close--but since we have to keep idzik and rex in this scenario, the qb must be a vet who is already game ready. i don't trust idzik to draft a new qb and i don't trust rex to develop him. please NYJ--buy a cake, not eggs and flour.

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qb and it isn't close--but since we have to keep idzik and rex in this scenario, the qb must be a vet who is already game ready. i don't trust idzik to draft a new qb and i don't trust rex to develop him. please NYJ--buy a cake, not eggs and flour.

 

If you're talking Jets QBs, I think it's spelled flower.

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Jif...totally agree with you on the way the NFL has made the QB the only thing that counts. Serious question for you on the Gators. Are they bad because of the coach or bad QB, or both? Eerily similar to the Jets.

 

It's a shame.  It really is.  They've made everything about the game irrelevant.  QB's throwing for 400/500 yards and 4 TD's, routinely?  It's not Football anymore.  Its throw and catch, arena league, flag Football, bullsh*t. 

 

Yes. The past 3 years with the Gators are so similar to the Jets it makes me sick.  I cant get away from bad coaching, terrible QB'ing and inept offense.  Football has been very unkind. 

 

The Gator situation is 100% on coaching.  This isnt like the NFL where there is a fair playing field to acquire talent.  Its the Florida Gators, one of, if not the best athletic programs in the country.  Recruiting, is not a problem. Talent, is not a problem.  Driskell, was the #1 QB in the country coming out of High School.  Treon Harris was one of best duel threats QB's in country and Will Greer was the 4th rated QB in the class this year .  They've got 4 and 5 star recruits playing all over the field.  Its not like the Jets who are so talent deprived its embarrassing.  This is a matter of having some of the best High School talent in the country, playing on the same team, coached by an incompetent idiot. Will Muschump is the worst Head Coach I've ever seen. 

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It's a shame.  It really is.  They've made everything about the game irrelevant.  QB's throwing for 400/500 yards and 4 TD's, routinely?  It's not Football anymore.  Its throw and catch, arena league, flag Football, bullsh*t. 

 

Yes. The past 3 years with the Gators are so similar to the Jets it makes me sick.  I cant get away from bad coaching, terrible QB'ing and inept offense.  Football has been very unkind. 

 

The Gator situation is 100% on coaching.  This isnt like the NFL where there is a fair playing field to acquire talent.  Its the Florida Gators, one of, if not the best athletic programs in the country.  Recruiting, is not a problem. Talent, is not a problem.  Driskell, was the #1 QB in the country coming out of High School.  Treon Harris was one of best duel threats QB's in country and Will Greer was the 4th rated QB in the class this year .  They've got 4 and 5 star recruits playing all over the field.  Its not like the Jets who are so talent deprived its embarrassing.  This is a matter of having some of the best High School talent in the country, playing on the same team, coached by an incompetent idiot. Will Muschump is the worst Head Coach I've ever seen. 

Thanks. Rutgers fan here. Would love to have 1/4 of the talent the Gators have. Life in a new conference is tough.

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You're an idiot, where did I say Rex was great in my post?  I've made it quite clear over the last month I want the Jets to start over, no matter what my opinion is/was of Rex Ryan.  It was a choice of words that wasnt literal and you took it to heart.  Any reasonable person could come to the conclusion that I didnt literally mean, just give them the QB like its not their responsibility.  Its pretty F'ing obvious to anyone with a brain, that finding and developing are on the GM and HC.  That was implied.  Nothing else.  Once again, proving you're a total moron who cant think outside the box, takes themselves way too seriously and instead of discussing the topic at hand, you've chose to start a fight over a poor choice of words.  

 

Way to go, Ape!

 

1.) You've been puking Rex is great all over this board for almost 6 years.

 

2.) Any reasonable person would actually read what you write and figure "hey, this guy spends an inordinate amount of time on the interwebz talking, he's probably gotten to the point where the words he chooses are the words he means". Again, don't mis-speak and then make it everyone else's fault for forgetting that you've got a 6th grade vocabulary.

 

3.) It isn't a fight when I throw haymakers and you stick out your pinkie and bat your eyes.

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The Ape is terrible. 

 

Also, I forgot to ask... when you say "terrible" here, is that what you mean, or should any reasonable person obviously know better than to take it literal and assume you mean ******* INCREDIBLE!!! 

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