RSJ Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 It's kind of hard to judge this roster for two reasons. 1) regardless of who's fault, we have no idea if the best players are even playing. 2) Jets football - which is just another term for "we don't care what a player does well, we run the 46 and offense doesn't matter." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Not sure that is such a great comparison as the 2009 jets had a pretty decent base to add to Revis Harris Ellis Pace BT Etc.... You gut the 2014 roster you are left with not much to build on except a DLine How is it not at least a decent comparison? It's the last time a new coach was hired with the same GM, base D and only 3 draft picks. You just noted 5 players to the core. Ok, and they'd still have this group as their base in 2015... Wilkerson Richardson Davis Coples Ivory Decker Amaro Kerely etc... ....besides Revis, the talent doesn't really scream out that much better or worst between 2009 and 2015. imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 It's kind of hard to judge this roster for two reasons. 1) regardless of who's fault, we have no idea if the best players are even playing. 2) Jets football - which is just another term for "we don't care what a player does well, we run the 46 and offense doesn't matter." That wasn't even my intent fwiw. I was just responding to the post that questioned where this team could get all these players from if a total of 8-9 players were missing from this year's roster. Was pointing out, it's not that absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted November 12, 2014 Author Share Posted November 12, 2014 How is it not at least a decent comparison? It's the last time a new coach was hired with the same GM, base D and only 3 draft picks. You just noted 5 players to the core. Ok, and they'd still have this group as their base in 2015... Wilkerson Richardson Davis Coples Ivory Decker Amaro Kerely etc... ....besides Revis, the talent doesn't really scream out that much better or worst between 2009 and 2015. imo Well I hope so...depends on who is constructing this new team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OuttaSightPF Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 If my posts hurt ur fragile little self....then don't read them...I don't read urs! You quote mine. Isn't that proof you read them? =) I guess it's good to release the rage and tough guy act on the internet when you can't in the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted November 12, 2014 Author Share Posted November 12, 2014 You quote mine. Isn't that proof you read them? =) I guess it's good to release the rage and tough guy act on the internet when you can't in the real world. Lol whatever little dude just go away and ignore my posts. I will show u same curtosy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Well I hope so...depends on who is constructing this new team! Honestly I wish I had the time and patience to research it but I'd bet the over that, on average, at least 10 new players are added to an annual roster with a new (regime) GM and HC in place. My guess is the average would be around 15... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OuttaSightPF Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 I've been down on K Wilson for 4 years but he's actually been a pleasant surprise this season. I'm not sure if it's a case of "less bad" or if he's actually settled into the nickel role but for the right price I hope the Jets keep him around. I respectfully disagree. I'm not sure in 4 years I've ever seen him make a play. Is there any specific games where you saw him standout? I have totally written him off.. after his 2nd season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 He's awfulllll But if we can keep himCheaps!,,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OuttaSightPF Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Lol whatever little dude just go away and ignore my posts. I will show u same curtosy! I don't want you to ignore them, just engage in normal conversation. Don't get pissed and start attacking. I read this stuff because sometimes people who I disagree with change my opinions. I was Idziks #1 supporter until that ridiculous press conference a few weeks ago. All of the voices on here finally convinced me he's way over his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted November 12, 2014 Author Share Posted November 12, 2014 Honestly I wish I had the time and patience to research it but I'd bet the over that, on average, at least 10 new players are added to an annual roster with a new (regime) GM and HC in place. My guess is the average would be around 15... I don't doubt there will be huge turnover. In fact it was the premise of the thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OuttaSightPF Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Honestly I wish I had the time and patience to research it but I'd bet the over that, on average, at least 10 new players are added to an annual roster with a new (regime) GM and HC in place. My guess is the average would be around 15... The great thing is that we are not handcuffed to any player in this roster. We can cut, keep or trade anyone we want without heavy penalties to our cap. And the way most of our contracts are structured, if a new regime comes in and switches to a 4-3 for example, we can move guys who don't fit the system .... If they want. I know that this franchise is a major circus and everyone thinks any elite candidates will avoid us like the plague. But considering that we may have a top 3 pick in every round and 50-60 million in cap room... This is a pretty amazing situation to build a team from scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 What 3 players were the Jets away from being a playoff team? Aaron Rogers. Calvin Johnson. J Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 The great thing is that we are not handcuffed to any player in this roster. We can cut, keep or trade anyone we want without heavy penalties to our cap. And the way most of our contracts are structured, if a new regime comes in and switches to a 4-3 for example, we can move guys who don't fit the system .... If they want. I know that this franchise is a major circus and everyone thinks any elite candidates will avoid us like the plague. But considering that we may have a top 3 pick in every round and 50-60 million in cap room... This is a pretty amazing situation to build a team from scratch. I agree with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 That wasn't even my intent fwiw. I was just responding to the post that questioned where this team could get all these players from if a total of 8-9 players were missing from this year's roster. Was pointing out, it's not that absurd. I agree with you fwiw. Just saying how hard this roster is to judge because of what I had listed as reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 The great thing is that we are not handcuffed to any player in this roster. We can cut, keep or trade anyone we want without heavy penalties to our cap. And the way most of our contracts are structured, if a new regime comes in and switches to a 4-3 for example, we can move guys who don't fit the system .... If they want. I know that this franchise is a major circus and everyone thinks any elite candidates will avoid us like the plague. But considering that we may have a top 3 pick in every round and 50-60 million in cap room... This is a pretty amazing situation to build a team from scratch. I agree. Even if the Jets wind up with a later pick than 3, the roster flexibility is pretty amazing by itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted November 12, 2014 Author Share Posted November 12, 2014 I don't want you to ignore them, just engage in normal conversation. Don't get pissed and start attacking. I read this stuff because sometimes people who I disagree with change my opinions. I was Idziks #1 supporter until that ridiculous press conference a few weeks ago. All of the voices on here finally convinced me he's way over his head. Sure...BTW I don't get mad here. I post for fun...if it made me mad I would not be here. I save that anger for the wife and kids after a few beers...amirightt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONX DUDE Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Who is ur replacement? I like that kid in UCLA Kendricks but that will take at least a 2nd rounder....not sure we can afford that with rest of the holes we have..maybe a fa? DAVID HARRIS IS SLOW AND HAS BEEN FOR 4 YEARS. He is one of the highest paid LB in the NFL. Any 2nd or 3rd rounder drafter by our Next GM will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 I respectfully disagree. I'm not sure in 4 years I've ever seen him make a play. Is there any specific games where you saw him standout? I have totally written him off.. after his 2nd season. no, he hasn't really made many plays he just hasn't been lit up like a x-mas tree the way he has in years past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted November 12, 2014 Author Share Posted November 12, 2014 I agree. Even if the Jets wind up with a later pick than 3, the roster flexibility is pretty amazing by itself. That didnt work well for the Redskins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Honestly I wish I had the time and patience to research it but I'd bet the over that, on average, at least 10 new players are added to an annual roster with a new (regime) GM and HC in place. My guess is the average would be around 15... I don't think a ten player turnover is a lot without a regime change. Usually you're changing head coaches and GMs because the team performed poorly the year before, so a big turnover is to be expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Kenrick Ellis - (what kind of name is Kenrick anyway - doesnt even pass spell check Jaiquawn, Dawan, Bilal, D'Brickashaw.......Shonn and Laverneous get thru alright? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 please explain how he "created a circus. " Can we go back to Jan of 2013 when he took over? What was the state of the NY Jets then? We were supposed to be a playoff team this year. We're 2-8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 We were 3 players away from being a good playoff team so Woody fired the GM? LMAO Woody fired the gm because he signed Tim Tebow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted November 14, 2014 Author Share Posted November 14, 2014 Jaiquawn, Dawan, Bilal, D'Brickashaw.......Shonn and Laverneous get thru alright? lol lol true Someone once told me the name Anferney happened by circumstance Woman in hospital giving birth does not know how to read or write She gives birth and they ask her what do you want to name him "Anferney" she says - they wrote it down verbatim Apparently the woman was missing her 2 front teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Kyle Wilson, Dawan Landry, Willie Colon, and Salas can all go and there would be minimal impact, because that is the kind they have made - minimal. I would keep Harris, Adams looks pretty good - better than Milliner was - Bellore is good on special teams, Harrison is solid. Douzable is ok, and Jarrett had the game of his life last week and I hope he can build on that. . Landry has to go so Pryor has a place to land. He is a strong safety with no coverage skills so Jarrett moves to free safety. I would keep Vick as a backup/ spot starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted November 14, 2014 Author Share Posted November 14, 2014 Kyle Wilson, Dawan Landry, Willie Colon, and Salas can all go and there would be minimal impact, because that is the kind they have made - minimal. I would keep Harris, Adams looks pretty good - better than Milliner was - Bellore is good on special teams, Harrison is solid. Douzable is ok, and Jarrett had the game of his life last week and I hope he can build on that. . Landry has to go so Pryor has a place to land. He is a strong safety with no coverage skills so Jarrett moves to free safety. I would keep Vick as a backup/ spot starter. Im not sold pryor will play better because he will move to SS This is a passing league - just because a SS starts off closer to line of scrimmage does not mean he wont have to cover WR, RB, TE and from what I have seen - he is getting beat bad in red zone which already has a short length of field Hopefully he can develop - if Landry goes maybe it will be Allan and Jarrett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 80% of those defensive players and Colon will be gone. I bet you $100 dollars right now. Please don't make this bet. We need to get rid of these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Harrison will be an RFA if I am not mistaken. Roster flexibility is not amazing or even a good thing when it is a result of having sh*tty players. WIlkerson is literally the only +++ level player on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 The great thing is that we are not handcuffed to any player in this roster. We can cut, keep or trade anyone we want without heavy penalties to our cap. And the way most of our contracts are structured, if a new regime comes in and switches to a 4-3 for example, we can move guys who don't fit the system .... If they want. I know that this franchise is a major circus and everyone thinks any elite candidates will avoid us like the plague. But considering that we may have a top 3 pick in every round and 50-60 million in cap room... This is a pretty amazing situation to build a team from scratch. Fire Idzick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I thought the general rule of thumb was something like 25% roster turnover, 25% starters. From what I just looked up, the Jets had 16 players from 2011 on the roster this April. In September 2011, they had 29 players from 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 The Jets had 19 new players on the active roster in 2009 (Rex's first year) vs. 2008 (Mangini's last). That's with the same GM and base Defense in tact. They drafted 3 players that year. That's interesting because I always here about how Rex won with Mangini's team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo69 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 We need a new GM, Head Coach and QB. All 3. Vick and Geno can go f*ck eachother. If either one of those clowns is on the roster next year this franchise is not serious about rebuilding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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