SoFlaJets Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Woody has owned the team for 15 seasons now and in those 15 seasons 6 head coaches that he has hired have all been defensive guys. How about trying something different for once? The definition of insanity comes to mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Woody has owned the team for 15 seasons now and in those 15 seasons 6 head coaches that he has hired have all been defensive guys. How about trying something different for once? The definition of insanity comes to mind There's been 5 head coaches here since Woody bought the team (6 if you count Belichick's one day). And Parcells was already in place when he got here. - Groh was the handpicked choice by Parcells after Beli resigned. He left after one year to coach his alma mater, his dream job. He'd never been more than a linebackers coach at that point. - Herm was a defensive-minded coach, but like Groh he had never been more than a position coach. He really had no business being a head coach. He was also totally incompetent. - Mangini had only one year of experience as a coordinator. He probably would have benefited from a few more years in that capacity before becoming a head coach, which is partially why Belichick was pissed that he left to come here. He also tried way too hard to be like Belichick, instead of being his own man. And that was ultimately his down fall. He was very knowledgeable, but he needed more time to learn how to manage people. - Rex was the only one with extensive experience as a coordinator. His issue is he suffers from the same flaws his father did, and those flaws are why they are better off as coordinators than head coaches. So basically we had three guys who at the time of their hiring were unqualified to be head coaches. The fact that they were defensive guys is coincidence. If they interview candidates from both ends of the spectrum, and the offensive guy is the best one for the job, then so be it. But to completely discount a qualified candidate just because he's a defensive guy would be an incredibly stupid thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 So true!!! People do realize Belichick was a "defensive minded" coach as he made his way up the ranks. Also, Pete Carroll was a "defensive minded" coach. It's about the coach having a vision for both sides of the ball and implementing it, whether he does it or hires assistants to do it for him Exactly. The head coach needs to be involved on both sides of the ball. Having the offensive equivalent of Rex would be just as bad. BTW it's good to see you here, KRL. I'm glad you decided to give this place a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 There's been 5 head coaches here since Woody bought the team (6 if you count Belichick's one day). And Parcells was already in place when he got here. - Groh was the handpicked choice by Parcells after Beli resigned. He left after one year to coach his alma mater, his dream job. He'd never been more than a linebackers coach at that point. - Herm was a defensive-minded coach, but like Groh he had never been more than a position coach. He really had no business being a head coach. He was also totally incompetent. - Mangini had only one year of experience as a coordinator. He probably would have benefited from a few more years in that capacity before becoming a head coach, which is partially why Belichick was pissed that he left to come here. He also tried way too hard to be like Belichick, instead of being his own man. And that was ultimately his down fall. He was very knowledgeable, but he needed more time to learn how to manage people. - Rex was the only one with extensive experience as a coordinator. His issue is he suffers from the same flaws his father did, and those flaws are why they are better off as coordinators than head coaches. So basically we had three guys who at the time of their hiring were unqualified to be head coaches. The fact that they were defensive guys is coincidence. If they interview candidates from both ends of the spectrum, and the offensive guy is the best one for the job, then so be it. But to completely discount a qualified candidate just because he's a defensive guy would be an incredibly stupid thing to do. That's just like....your opinion man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Afos, Woody is the only owner in the league who had to hire a headhunting firm to find a GM. The NFL is like the small town I grew up in in NJ where everybody knows everybody else and all of their business. How can it be that Woody Johnson didn't have a wallet full of potential GM's? Because he is a turnip disguised as a human being. He is a trust fund baby, who has never made - nor will make - any real NFL insider connections because he has the personality of what he is. A spoiled rich kid, playing among men and he would be exposed as a creepy little turd if he tried to hang with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 There's been 5 head coaches here since Woody bought the team (6 if you count Belichick's one day). And Parcells was already in place when he got here. - Groh was the handpicked choice by Parcells after Beli resigned. He left after one year to coach his alma mater, his dream job. He'd never been more than a linebackers coach at that point. - Herm was a defensive-minded coach, but like Groh he had never been more than a position coach. He really had no business being a head coach. He was also totally incompetent. - Mangini had only one year of experience as a coordinator. He probably would have benefited from a few more years in that capacity before becoming a head coach, which is partially why Belichick was pissed that he left to come here. He also tried way too hard to be like Belichick, instead of being his own man. And that was ultimately his down fall. He was very knowledgeable, but he needed more time to learn how to manage people. - Rex was the only one with extensive experience as a coordinator. His issue is he suffers from the same flaws his father did, and those flaws are why they are better off as coordinators than head coaches. So basically we had three guys who at the time of their hiring were unqualified to be head coaches. The fact that they were defensive guys is coincidence. If they interview candidates from both ends of the spectrum, and the offensive guy is the best one for the job, then so be it. But to completely discount a qualified candidate just because he's a defensive guy would be an incredibly stupid thing to do. Christ, you can go further back than that for Jets coaching mistakes. Carroll was DC under Coslet who was OC in Cincy. Before that Walton was OC under Michaels and Michaels was DC before he got the job. You have to go back to Weeb Ewbanks to get a Jets HC that was a HC somewhere else previously. Michaels I liked very much. He made a nice combination with Jim Royer as GM. They drafted so many good players from 77-82 I can't list them all, but they formed the nucleus for many years to come. Walton was a mistake from day one when he took Ken O'Brien as his number one pick. I didn't think the Jets needed a QB, I liked Richard Todd and thought he could do the job. If they were going to take a QB however Marino was the sure fire pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 I know that Kotite had previous HC experience but he doesn't count. I cringe to even remember his tenure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Nick Saban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Christ, you can go further back than that for Jets coaching mistakes. Carroll was DC under Coslet who was OC in Cincy. Before that Walton was OC under Michaels and Michaels was DC before he got the job. You have to go back to Weeb Ewbanks to get a Jets HC that was a HC somewhere else previously. Michaels I liked very much. He made a nice combination with Jim Royer as GM. They drafted so many good players from 77-82 I can't list them all, but they formed the nucleus for many years to come. Walton was a mistake from day one when he took Ken O'Brien as his number one pick. I didn't think the Jets needed a QB, I liked Richard Todd and thought he could do the job. If they were going to take a QB however Marino was the sure fire pick. We have a long, sad history. But what was brought up were the coaches since Woody bought the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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