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Jets owner Woody Johnson needs to replace John Idzik with a competent GM Idzik’s micromanagement has become a punchline inside the team facility. More than anything, he has just made terrible football decisions. Johnson needs to hit the re-set button to give hope to everyone again.

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Tuesday, November 25, 2014, 11:24 PM
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jets-idzik-football.jpgSETH WENIG/APJohn Idzik makes a constant mess of things as Jets GM.

What was John Idzik doing off to the side in a half-empty Jets locker room Monday night in Detroit?

Praying? Pleading? Hoping? Scheming?

The embattled general manager was slumped on a folding chair, head down, hands clasped in a prayer position, as the substandard players he signed or drafted filed out after getting steamrolled by five touchdowns.

Idzik appeared lost in thought for a few moments, a surreal portrait of a man anchored by a mountain of miscalculations.

Rex Ryan’s fate is no longer up for debate. He will be seeking employment in five weeks.

Woody Johnson’s most pivotal football decision now centers on what to do with a general manager who has helped turn the Jets into a league laughingstock with a string of follies.

The Jets’ embarrassing 38-3 loss to the Bills exposed familiar wounds, but there’s no denying the root of all the problems. Idzik, more than any coach or player, is responsible for the train wreck before Johnson’s eyes.

Johnson said 14 months ago that the organization was “more unified” with Idzik in charge, but shortly after the owner maintained that he was “pretty happy so far” with his GM because of the culture he was building, a prominent member of the organization painted a different picture.

“He’s definitely making things more paranoid,” the insider told the Daily News after Idzik’s first season on the job. “He doesn’t trust anyone.”

At one point, an organizational source told the News that Idzik was on a “witch hunt” to discover the people in the building who had made critical remarks about him to the media.

Last week, the Jets prevented Rex Ryan from sharing details about his bye-week trip to Kentucky to see his 83-year-old father, Buddy, who has battled cancer in recent years. Ryan was happy to discuss the visit, but a media relations official intervened presumably because of the News’ critical stories about Idzik.

Asked who made the decision to prevent a willing Ryan from sharing stories about his father, the media relations official said, “I don’t have to tell you.”

Ryan has always given his players the freedom to speak their minds, but the organization has muzzled the coach with a change on the horizon. He will be the fall guy on Black Monday.

woodyjohnsonbillboard.JPGFIREJOHNIDZIK.COMJet fans turn up heat on Woody Johnson to dismiss GM John Idzik with new billboard.

Meanwhile, disgruntled fans have paid for billboards popping up across North Jersey calling for Idzik’s ouster. The newest one demands Johnson replace Idzik or sell the team.

Idzik’s preoccupation with ancillary issues the past two years borders on comical.

His rambling press conference last month, ironically, conjured up the circus allusions that the organization despised during the Tim Tebow days.

Idzik’s micromanagement has become a punchline inside the team facility. More than anything, he has just made terrible football decisions.

Idzik is the Bizarro Midas: Just about everything he touches turns into coal instead of gold.

There’s little doubt that the GM has tried to frame a self-preservation inspired reality for Johnson. However, it’ll be incumbent upon the owner to get a true sense of the problems in football operations. The holes in the roster are plentiful regardless of what Idzik might be trying to sell to his boss.

For starters, the Jets need to officially pull the plug on the Geno Smith experiment and find a real quarterback. Upgrades at cornerback (stop the Dex McDougle propaganda please), offensive line, wide receiver and outside linebacker are also necessary.

Johnson would benefit greatly by having a general manager with a rich scouting background to identify players in the draft and free agency. Johnson said earlier this year that he liked Idzik’s patient and deliberate style, but those traits are killers in a fast-paced league dominated by smart, quick thinkers.

Ryan fibbed his way through another day-after-loss conference call to protect Idzik, but the owner shouldn’t be fooled.

“I think we have a lot of talent on this football team,” Ryan said Tuesday.

Johnson needs to hit the re-set button to give hope to everyone again.

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Last week, the Jets prevented Rex Ryan from sharing details about his bye-week trip to Kentucky to see his 83-year-old father, Buddy, who has battled cancer in recent years. Ryan was happy to discuss the visit, but a media relations official intervened presumably because of the News’ critical stories about Idzik

 

 

"presumably"

 

it doesn't say he is ailing or battling cancer right now.  he may be, but they do not direclty claim that, only that he is 83

 

if idzik did this, it may be just to avoid a mini-controversy like the clemson trip

 

when you think about it, maybe this is the reason they were so unprepared

 

I just don't know where to aim my rage anymore

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The Woodster made his money the old fashioned way, by being the great-grandson of the co-founder of Johnson & Johnson. He was so inspired by his history of personal toil that he spent 2012 backing Mitt Romney and emitting poor-shaming thinkbarf about people who don't work hard. Recently he hosted a get-together of high-powered Republican fundraisers at his Metropolis-esque New York City penthouse to listen to whether bullying, still barely unindicted dickhead Chris Christie or Rand "I Don't Believe in the Civil Rights Act" Paul would be better at talking to minorities and poor people. As for crimes against sports, it's worth mentioning that the team he owns is the New York Jets.

 

 

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Last week, the Jets prevented Rex Ryan from sharing details about his bye-week trip to Kentucky to see his 83-year-old father, Buddy, who has battled cancer in recent years. Ryan was happy to discuss the visit, but a media relations official intervened presumably because of the News’ critical stories about Idzik

 

 

"presumably"

 

it doesn't say he is ailing or battling cancer right now.  he may be, but they do not direclty claim that, only that he is 83

 

if idzik did this, it may be just to avoid a mini-controversy like the clemson trip

 

when you think about it, maybe this is the reason they were so unprepared

 

I just don't know where to aim my rage anymore

Buddy still has cancer there was an article about it about a year ago. Why would Rex's goig to visit his dad make the team unprepared, or why would it a controversy? Everybody else in the building took a few days off.

As far as rage goes, right now I use the shotgun approach. Kill en all. Starting with Idzik

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Last week, the Jets prevented Rex Ryan from sharing details about his bye-week trip to Kentucky to see his 83-year-old father, Buddy, who has battled cancer in recent years. Ryan was happy to discuss the visit, but a media relations official intervened presumably because of the News’ critical stories about Idzik

 

 

"presumably"

 

it doesn't say he is ailing or battling cancer right now.  he may be, but they do not direclty claim that, only that he is 83

 

if idzik did this, it may be just to avoid a mini-controversy like the clemson trip

 

when you think about it, maybe this is the reason they were so unprepared

 

I just don't know where to aim my rage anymore

 

 

Rage? By this point you shouldnt even be caring about this team.  Love them or hate them still brings eyeballs.  Complete apathy is what is needed by jets fans.

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There's a piece on the "Turn On The Jets" website discussing how all of these anti-Idzik pieces to come out in the past day or so are the work of Rex's agent, Jimmy Sexton:

 

The end of the 2011 season was a disaster for the New York Jets. The end of the 2012 season was a disaster for the New York Jets. In 2014 the end of the season will be a disaster for the New York Jets. Rex Ryan survived the first two but won’t survive the third. The 38-3 no show in Detroit was the final nail in his coffin. This New York Post article launched a predictable end of the season smear campaign, which will accompany the Jets playing out the string.

 

Rarely is an article so transparently planted by an agent but Jimmy Sexton is doing his job for Rex. He laid the groundwork for a move to television, riled up the conspiracists who believe the Jets “threw” a season just to fire him and conjured up anonymous quotes on how relieved the AFC will be that Rex is gone. This is savvy work. It is smart to make television a likely play since his client is 16-30 in his last 46 games with 12 losses by 20 points or more. More troubling is that he has no track record of developing a quarterback and an admitted limited understanding of offense. A year off could be good for him, it allows more jobs to open up and puts his recent struggles further in the rearview mirror.

Post 2010, the relief from AFC coaches makes sense. Today? Rex has lost three straight games to Doug Marrone by 23, 20 and 35 points, is 1-6 in his last 7 games versus Bill Belichick, has never beaten John Harbaugh and was knocked out of the playoffs by Mike Tomlin. He is .500 against Joe Philbin, owned Marvin Lewis a few years back but lost to him by 40 last season. Rex has a winning record against three current AFC coaches: 1-0 versus Ken Whisenhunt, 3-1 against Lewis, and 1-0 against Chuck Pagano. It is hard to buy the conference is regularly shaking in their boots of a coach who has been .500 or under in four straight seasons.

There is no point to further carry on the Rex debate. His time here is over. He will leave a legacy as a lovable personality and creative defensive schemer who came up with some masterful gameplans. He led two thrilling playoff runs in 2009 and 2010. Unfortunately, both runs fell short and it didn’t fall short in 2010 because of his quarterback, it was on his defense and team showing up unprepared to play. It has been ugly since then. Rex won with a roster mostly built by Mike Tannenbaum and Eric Mangini, supplemented by strong veteran additions. Once the roster began to turn over to a Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan roster, the problems began. Rex deserves credit for leading those talented, veteran laden teams but he needs to be in a specific type of situation to succeed. He needs to be kept out of personnel, away from the offense, have a strong veteran locker room, a dominant offensive line and competent quarterback play.

Moving forward, these leaks won’t stop. They will come from the New York Post, the usual suspects at the Daily News, and a few others. It is Sexton doing his job and part of the New York marketplace. The problem with an article like the linked NYDN piece is that the same writer was running Mark Sanchez and Rex Ryan out of town in 2012-2013 and is now painting them as victims. It would still be surprising to see Rex fired in-season but could that be a response to the ongoing leaks or will the Jets management just fire back through the media? We saw glimpses of that when the story leaked about the coaching staff telling Geno Smith directly where to throw during the Buffalo game. Either way, it will be an ugly few weeks.

We also know Smith will start Monday night, which is a move that smells of being imposed by John Idzik. Considering how Vick played and that he is banged up, it is hard to get yourself up in arms about starting a second year quarterback for a 2-9 team. Regardless of how Smith finishes, he cannot and won’t be relied on as a serious candidate to start in 2015 but he will be on the roster, either as camp competition or a backup. Expect the Smith move to foreshadow much more playing time for younger players these final few games.

With Rex all but finished, the next question is if John Idzik will be fired? There is a valid argument to keep him and a valid argument to fire him, particularly if you can get a big name to coach or lead a reconstruction. Many see firing Idzik as a slam dunk, it is not. He misjudged the cornerback market and a had a poor plan B after whiffing on Vontae Davis. There wasn’t enough depth at offensive line or wide receiver for this year’s team, the future looks grim for their 2013 2nd and 3rd round picks and cutting a 2014 4th round pick was a bad look. Beyond that, most of the criticism is hindsight driven, overstated and ignorant of other productive moves.

The overall roster, cap flexibility and draft flexibility has improved since the end of 2012. Both quarterback situations are a trainwreck but the Jets had a ton more money and draft equity invested in the Sanchez – Tebow – McElroy train wreck than the Geno – Vick – Simms trainwreck. Quarterback hasn’t been fixed but who did you want? Should the Jets have drafted EJ Manuel or any other of the 2013 QBs? Should they have taken Teddy Bridgewater or Johnny Manziel last year? What available veteran did you want to acquire that would have changed the situation long term? What was the answer besides writing a revisionist history on Sanchez and ignoring his 8 turnovers in 3.5 games in Philadelphia, surrounded by a much better all around team? His wins there wouldn’t be equating to wins here away from Chip Kelly, LeSean McCoy and a dominant special teams unit.

Running back, wide receiver, tight end and defensive line are in better shape long term. The offensive line and linebackers are roughly a push and the secondary is worse. However, cap space is available to fix it and the jury is still out on many of the 2013 and 2014 draft picks, UDFA and waiver wire additions. The team also will have 6-8 picks next season to work with.

Idzik is 10-17 as a GM and has some ugly misses on his resume. There is no reason to be overconfident he will ever be a good GM, which is why for the right hire he can be expendable. Mike Tannenbaum was 12-15 after his first 27 games. John Schnieder was 11-16 after his first 27 games. This doesn’t mean Idzik will have the success that either of them had. It also doesn’t mean if he is brought back next year the team is doomed for multiple more years of failure. It is an open-ended situation and nobody knows as of now if he will be back or not, or if that will be the right decision long term.

Overall, it was the wrong decision to impose a head coach and a Personnel Director (BRADWAY!) on a new GM and the Jets are paying for it. The Head Coach is already on his way out the door and the GM might be joining him.

 

http://turnonthejets.com/2014/11/new-york-jets-ugly-end-rex-ryan-era/

 

So I'd take all of these articles to come out in the past day or so with a giant boulder of salt.

 

So Woody's a dickhead because he's a Republican?? Not for ******* up the team we support? Did David Fricke right this or something? Maybe I've been listening to too much Captain Beefheart?

 

That article was from Rolling Stone magazine, which is a very ideologically left-leaning publication - so in their view, that's precisely why he's a dickhead.

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As far as Rex's agent planting stories, take that with a grain of salt. The proof is on the field, of the disaster that is John Idzik. Not absolving Rex of blame, but you have to have all the pieces to make it work.

The only solution at this point is a total house cleaning from the GM right down to the towel boys. That's not easy to say either, for an old Jets fan who has more time behind him then he does in front.

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Buddy still has cancer there was an article about it about a year ago. Why would Rex's goig to visit his dad make the team unprepared, or why would it a controversy? Everybody else in the building took a few days off.

As far as rage goes, right now I use the shotgun approach. Kill en all. Starting with Idzik

 

that was sort of my point, that if he spoke about it, we would be pissed about it, but he didn't so we're pissed

 

just constantly agitated

 

I need a break, lol

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As far as Rex's agent planting stories, take that with a grain of salt. The proof is on the field, of the disaster that is John Idzik. Not absolving Rex of blame, but you have to have all the pieces to make it work.

The only solution at this point is a total house cleaning from the GM right down to the towel boys. That's not easy to say either, for an old Jets fan who has more time behind him then he does in front.

This Jets team, right now, same players, same injury levels, Bill Belichick has us at what record?

Idzik sucks, unquestionably. Rex Ryan is the problem. You can excuse a terrible GM candidate chosen by an executive search firm in his first assignment. You cannot excuse a seasoned NFL head coach who has been a member of some strong NFL programs and had success early on before his predecessors players dried up and the roster became a mirror image of the fraud of a head coach who isn't even qualified to be a defensive coordinator any more.

Rex Ryan is The Devil.

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This Jets team, right now, same players, same injury levels, Bill Belichick has us at what record?

Idzik sucks, unquestionably. Rex Ryan is the problem. You can excuse a terrible GM candidate chosen by an executive search firm in his first assignment. You cannot excuse a seasoned NFL head coach who has been a member of some strong NFL programs and had success early on before his predecessors players dried up and the roster became a mirror image of the fraud of a head coach who isn't even qualified to be a defensive coordinator any more.

Rex Ryan is The Devil.

SAR I

This guy is good

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There's a piece on the "Turn On The Jets" website discussing how all of these anti-Idzik pieces to come out in the past day or so are the work of Rex's agent, Jimmy Sexton:

 

 

So I'd take all of these articles to come out in the past day or so with a giant boulder of salt.

 

 

That article was from Rolling Stone magazine, which is a very ideologically left-leaning publication - so in their view, that's precisely why he's a dickhead.

Johnson is a dickhead for a host of reasons, politics being reason#456. 

 

So Ryan cannot discuss his dad, but PFT and Mehta have the story anyway. Idzik deserves to be fired along with Ryan, but this is a nonissue.

 

Say this respecting that Buddy Ryan served this country honorably in Korea and was DC for the Jets last championship. But his career is a lot like his sons in some unfortunate ways.

 

 If we're gonna bring up cuddly ol'Buddy, let's recall-he was DC for an all time defense with the Bears but couldn't hold his nonsense angry temper long enough to get along with Mike Ditka or any offensive coach really; he flamed out in Philly by acting like offense was optional with arguably the most talented team in the NFL at that time; made a mess in Arizona; after he gets a DC  job in Houston he effs it up by fighting with OC Kevin Gilbride at halftime of a playoff game vs. an 8-8 Coslet Era jets team.60+ men getting into fistfights are by definition assholes.  DOES ANY OF THIS SOUND FAMILIAR? 

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This Jets team, right now, same players, same injury levels, Bill Belichick has us at what record?

Idzik sucks, unquestionably. Rex Ryan is the problem. You can excuse a terrible GM candidate chosen by an executive search firm in his first assignment. You cannot excuse a seasoned NFL head coach who has been a member of some strong NFL programs and had success early on before his predecessors players dried up and the roster became a mirror image of the fraud of a head coach who isn't even qualified to be a defensive coordinator any more.

Rex Ryan is The Devil.

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In all honesty there really isn't anymore debate on Rex. He's gone. Any thing else said is kicking a dead man.

The debate now is on Idzik. Do you really want him picking the next HC? Using an early 1st round pick?

Rex really isn't the story any more

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In all honesty there really isn't anymore debate on Rex. He's gone. Any thing else said is kicking a dead man.

The debate now is on Idzik. Do you really want him picking the next HC? Using an early 1st round pick?

Rex really isn't the story any more

Exactly. Rex is done. Arguing that he should be retained is moot.

The question now is should Idzik join him? I agree that it's unfair to fire him after only two seasons, both of which were with a coach he didn't want. However his two drafts have been lousy, so I don't trust him to pick a coach and suddenly learn how to pick players.

BTW if Rex is having his agent use the media to slander Idzik with these reports, then he's a major scumbag, and I look forward to him being fired.

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