Dennis Byrd 90 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 With us winning yesterday the likelyhood of the Jets having the top 3 picks is probably out of the questions. With two weeks left many things can happen and we can trade up in the draft. That being said we will probably have to sign a qb in the offseason. Who would you be happy with? Here are some options. 1. Brian Hoyer: a free agent to be. Played bad the last few weeks befor being benched. Has shown he could be an average qb who could win games. I'd be happy with him but am hearing Houston will go after him and he has a relationship with O'brien from New England. 2. Matt Moore: free agent. Backup in Miami. When he's played he's played well. Not my favorite but would be a good stop gap. 3. Locker: I like him but can't stay healthy. 4. Sanchez: Lets not go back there. He's showing us why we got rid of him. 5. Ryan Mallet: Not a bad option but if Houston gets rid of him I don't think he'll make it in the NFL. 6. Blaine Gabbert: Might go with Harbaugh somewhere. Might be willing in a low risk reward type deal. 7. Vick: Don't think he wants to be back here. The other qbs listed are backups who don't interest me. Trade wise we can go after RG3 (coach killer), Cutler (coach killer and Jeff George), and maybe Kapernick (who would need his offense or he won't succeed). Kapernick is the only one that interests me out of that group. I'd love Hoyer. I think if Houston doesn't want him we could have him. The rest are risk rewards and we better hope we can trade up to get Mariotta or Connor Cook falls to us. Not a big Winston fan. Too many ints for me but he'll probably be out qb next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Any of these guys are an imporvement over geno but somehow dipzik will **** it up. Of that there is no doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny16 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 That's a sad list of QBs. While most are probably a step up from Geno, I think this just proves that we have to get the right QB in the draft and hope he can beat out one of these guys in a true competition. Otherwise it's going to be another 3-13 debacle like this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 No to everyone on that list. Jets will retain Geno Smith. He'll be the #1 for a few weeks in 2015. Jets will trade up (at massive cost) for Winston (they won't be able to get Mariotta) who will start. Jets will continue to waste the #3 spot on a guy they have no belief, plans or faith in. Might even be Simms again. That's the most likely outcome I see right now. if Idzik is retained, the pressure to get "a Franchise QB" will force him to sell the Franchises future to get one of the top two, and only one is possible for us to get (as Tampa, at #1, will not win again, and will select Mariotta). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 No to everyone on that list. Jets will retain Geno Smith. He'll be the #1 for a few weeks in 2015. Jets will trade up (at massive cost) for Winston (they won't be able to get Mariotta) who will start. Jets will continue to waste the #3 spot on a guy they have no belief, plans or faith in. Might even be Simms again. That's the most likely outcome I see right now. if Idzik is retained, the pressure to get "a Franchise QB" will force him to sell the Franchises future to get one of the top two, and only one is possible for us to get (as Tampa, at #1, will not win again, and will select Mariotta). Its this or they take a flier on a mid round prospect. Geno is the week 1 starter though. You can be that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyjet Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I'd take a shot on locker ..... But I also have a feeling idzik is still gonna be here so who knows. The one guy on the list I want no part of is krapernic. He's is done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I like Locker - but yeah he can't stay healthy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 No to everyone on that list. Jets will retain Geno Smith. He'll be the #1 for a few weeks in 2015. Jets will trade up (at massive cost) for Winston (they won't be able to get Mariotta) who will start. Jets will continue to waste the #3 spot on a guy they have no belief, plans or faith in. Might even be Simms again. That's the most likely outcome I see right now. if Idzik is retained, the pressure to get "a Franchise QB" will force him to sell the Franchises future to get one of the top two, and only one is possible for us to get (as Tampa, at #1, will not win again, and will select Mariotta). In order to do this they're going to need to have faith Winston can be the future. I don't see them doing it... What about trading for RGIII - might be worth a shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I'd take a shot on locker ..... But I also have a feeling idzik is still gonna be here so who knows. The one guy on the list I want no part of is krapernic. He's is done I would LOVE Kaepernick... he's having a bad year...but his talent is off the charts....There's a better chance of getting him right than there is that either Winston or Marriotta becoming franchise guys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyjet Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Kap is a horrible pocket passer. Don't want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Is it weird that I like Matt Moore the best of this group? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Its this or they take a flier on a mid round prospect. That would be my preference . If I was the GM, I look around the league and try to "pull a Sanchez", i.e. I look for highly talented guys who failed in their first city, and who might just need a change of scenery to succeed. I often call this my "Patrick Ramsey Theorum", and while I was dead wrong on Ramsey, I still believe in the core concept. I look at a guy like McCoy in Washington. Or Kirk Cousins, also in DC. Both are guys I could see being cheap enough to aquire (mid-round pick) and available, and may simply need a better environment than DC< and the Skins are a long-time trade partner for us. If I'm the GM, I try to package one of our front-line D-Linemen and some picks for the Skins #1 pick and one of their QB's. Knowing the Skins, I think they'd do it. I cut Geno Smith. Sorry, but while I appreciate he is cheap, he's so bad and has so little future, I just don't see wasting the spot on him. I draft a QB in the mid-rounds, a tall, non-running, pocket passer. Sorry, I'm not sold on the "fast, running, black QB is the future of the NFL" concept. Give me a slowfooted big-armed bullet-pass throwing kid any day. I start the Recycled Vet (Cousins). My rookie QB sits a year minimum. I draft the best overall WR available. Then I draft the best CB available (Skins pick). Then in the second, I draft the best tallest WR available. In the third, I draft a guy to fill the now-empty D-Line Spot. Rest of the Draft I alternate D-backfield with O-Line. And I go into 2015 happy and (IMO) reloaded and far better balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Hoyer all the way. With the Jets run the football and play defense (assuming the cornerback position is fixed) he's a great fit here and would make the Jets better instantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 That would be my preference . If I was the GM, I look around the league and try to "pull a Sanchez", i.e. I look for highly talented guys who failed in their first city, and who might just need a change of scenery to succeed. I often call this my "Patrick Ramsey Theorum", and while I was dead wrong on Ramsey, I still believe in the core concept. I look at a guy like McCoy in Washington. Or Kirk Cousins, also in DC. Both are guys I could see being cheap enough to aquire (mid-round pick) and available, and may simply need a better environment than DC< and the Skins are a long-time trade partner for us. If I'm the GM, I try to package one of our front-line D-Linemen and some picks for the Skins #1 pick and one of their QB's. Knowing the Skins, I think they'd do it. I cut Geno Smith. Sorry, but while I appreciate he is cheap, he's so bad and has so little future, I just don't see wasting the spot on him. I draft a QB in the mid-rounds, a tall, non-running, pocket passer. Sorry, I'm not sold on the "fast, running, black QB is the future of the NFL" concept. Give me a slowfooted big-armed bullet-pass throwing kid any day. I start the Recycled Vet (Cousins). My rookie QB sits a year minimum. I draft the best overall WR available. Then I draft the best CB available (Skins pick). Then in the second, I draft the best tallest WR available. In the third, I draft a guy to fill the now-empty D-Line Spot. Rest of the Draft I alternate D-backfield with O-Line. And I go into 2015 happy and (IMO) reloaded and far better balanced. What makes you believe in this theory? Has it ever worked? I honestly cant think of one other than Warner in Arizona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 No to everyone on that list. Jets will retain Geno Smith. He'll be the #1 for a few weeks in 2015. Jets will trade up (at massive cost) for Winston (they won't be able to get Mariotta) who will start. Jets will continue to waste the #3 spot on a guy they have no belief, plans or faith in. Might even be Simms again. That's the most likely outcome I see right now. if Idzik is retained, the pressure to get "a Franchise QB" will force him to sell the Franchises future to get one of the top two, and only one is possible for us to get (as Tampa, at #1, will not win again, and will select Mariotta). In two years, Idzik hasn't been able to consummate a single draft day trade. The only pick I think he might be able to pull off a trade for is the #1 overall, and only because he'll have months to negotiate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 What makes you believe in this theory? Has it ever worked? I honestly cant think of one other than Warner in Arizona. Depends on what you by "Worked". All I want is a shot at a decent recycled QB. He's not the real plan, the rookie tall-big-arm is. If the Vet works out, great. The kid can sit 2 seasons. If the Vet is what I'd expect, it's still a major step up from Geno Smith and makes us competitive at the least. This happens all the time, bring in a Vet to replace a busted kid, and the Vet plays "ok". "Ok" is a huge step up for us. if the Vet Drops the ball completely, fine, so would Geno, so nothing is really lost. "Worked" does not mean super Bowl 2015. There is no chance, 0%, that we win a Super Bowl in 2015. We're playing for 2016 (Playoff berth) and 2017 (hopefully, a run) now. Need to get used to that idea if we're not already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Depends on what you by "Worked". All I want is a shot at a decent recycled QB. He's not the real plan, the rookie tall-big-arm is. If the Vet works out, great. The kid can sit 2 seasons. If the Vet is what I'd expect, it's still a major step up from Geno Smith and makes us competitive at the least. This happens all the time, bring in a Vet to replace a busted kid, and the Vet plays "ok". "Ok" is a huge step up for us. if the Vet Drops the ball completely, fine, so would Geno, so nothing is really lost. "Worked" does not mean super Bowl 2015. There is no chance, 0%, that we win a Super Bowl in 2015. We're playing for 2016 (Playoff berth) and 2017 (hopefully, a run) now. Need to get used to that idea if we're not already. So you're just talking about it as a stop-gap measure while they search for the future? Not the actual solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I don't like Kaepernick. He throws like he is playing dodgeball. I assume they'd want a premium. The guys with huge contracts could probably be had much cheaper, RGIII or Bradford. I would like to have Bradford or Locker, at least we have a chance. Idzik has some pieces on the IR, maybe they can all come together for a bit. I am not an RGIII fan, but I think with a strong team around him he could give some wins. I have no problem with bringing in a Matt Moore, Hoyer type. Like some of us wanting to bring in Henne a few years ago they would probably be an upgrade, but IMO your #1 pick is not sitting behind them for long - as in not a full season. You can throw Cousins in that boat. I am underwhelmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 So you're just talking about it as a stop-gap measure while they search for the future? Yes. It's a low-% risk move that fills the hole for 2015 with a "average" QB, an improvement vs. our current "worst QB in NFL" situation. It has a possibility, albeit small, to work out and the once-highly-touted guy blossoms. And it guarantees we sit our young, upper-mid-round tall, big-armed kid at a minimum a full year before he has to play. This is how the NFL used to work, and I believe can still work. I think playing young QB's early is part of what leads to so many busted young QB's. And I reject, wholesale, the "running QB is a must" idea, which I think is a pure fad, not solid long-term planning. A Manning or Brady beats an RGIII or the like every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 If I am trying to make the rookie sit I would go in pretty heavily on Jason Campbell. Physically capable, positive TD to turnover ratio and cheap. Checks all the boxes for me. OTOH, we could have done that a few times in the past few years and didn't. If Idzik didn't hate him he probably would have signed him and saved $4M over Vick. Guy might actually prepare to play too, but who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Yes. It's a low-% risk move that fills the hole for 2015 with a "average" QB, an improvement vs. our current "worst QB in NFL" situation. It has a possibility, albeit small, to work out and the once-highly-touted guy blossoms. And it guarantees we sit our young, upper-mid-round tall, big-armed kid at a minimum a full year before he has to play. This is how the NFL used to work, and I believe can still work. I think playing young QB's early is part of what leads to so many busted young QB's. And I reject, wholesale, the "running QB is a must" idea, which I think is a pure fad, not solid long-term planning. A Manning or Brady beats an RGIII or the like every time. Agreed 100% on pocket passer vs. the flashy QB that can move. I'm with you on the philosophy in general. I like Matt Moore. Always have. Never understood why he agreed to be a back-up instead of seeing if he could start somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotcheryifyouCan Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Is it weird that I like Matt Moore the best of this group? Nope I wanted to sign him last time he was a free agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 2015 NFL Free Agents QB Ryan Lindley ARI 26 R QB T.J. Yates ATL 28 QB Tyrod Taylor BAL 26 QB Joe Webb CAR 29 QB Jimmy Clausen CHI 28QB Jason Campbell CIN 34 QB Brian Hoyer CLE 30 QB Kellen Moore DET 26 R QB Dan Orlovsky DET 32QB Matt Flynn GB 30 QB Scott Tolzien GB 28QB Matt Moore MIA 31 QB Christian Ponder MIN 27 QB Ryan Mallett NE 27 QB Luke McCown NO 34 QB Michael Vick NYJ 35 QB Mark Sanchez PHI 29 QB Matt Hasselbeck SEA 40 QB Tarvaris Jackson SEA 32 QB Terrelle Pryor SEA 26 QB Blaine Gabbert SF 26 QB Josh Johnson SF 29 QB Austin Davis STL 26 R QB Shaun Hill STL 35 QB Jake Locker TEN 27QB Colt McCoy WAS 29 They guys I'd look at bolded/underlines, but I'd also look at current #2's (like Cousins) as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Here's another option: Donald A. Bux. I think this is the one I'd like to go with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen X Jet Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Looks bleak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Well the good news is that any of the QBS mentioned can potentially lose 15 games for us next year. How pathetic are we to be getting g excited for Hoyer (who has been Geno bad for the last month or so) and Matt freaking Moore. And if we take Winston, let alone trade up to get him, we deserve everything that's coming. Of every potential 1st round QB since 1998, Winston has the best chance to replicate Ryan Leaf. Only the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsamuel84 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 What about Bradford? Chance he's out the door in St. Louis as well. He may be the best option along with drafting someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Fisher has been quoted to say he wants Bradford back. Hell, why wouldn't he. He has a Super Bowl team being held back by Hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Another year of suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 It's a low-% risk move This team, at the bottom of the division, isn't in a place to make low risk moves. Now is the time for high risk moves. It can't get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 What about Bradford? Chance he's out the door in St. Louis as well. He may be the best option along with drafting someone. sam bradford is the dexter mcdougle of quarterbacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmat321 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 2015 NFL Free Agents QB Ryan Lindley ARI 26 R QB T.J. Yates ATL 28 QB Tyrod Taylor BAL 26 QB Joe Webb CAR 29 QB Jimmy Clausen CHI 28 QB Jason Campbell CIN 34 QB Brian Hoyer CLE 30 QB Kellen Moore DET 26 R QB Dan Orlovsky DET 32 QB Matt Flynn GB 30 QB Scott Tolzien GB 28 QB Matt Moore MIA 31 QB Christian Ponder MIN 27 QB Ryan Mallett NE 27 QB Luke McCown NO 34 QB Michael Vick NYJ 35 QB Mark Sanchez PHI 29 QB Matt Hasselbeck SEA 40 QB Tarvaris Jackson SEA 32 QB Terrelle Pryor SEA 26 QB Blaine Gabbert SF 26 QB Josh Johnson SF 29 QB Austin Davis STL 26 R QB Shaun Hill STL 35 QB Jake Locker TEN 27 QB Colt McCoy WAS 29 They guys I'd look at bolded/underlines, but I'd also look at current #2's (like Cousins) as well. Just put a monkey in a room with this list and 2 darts. We sign whichever 2 names he hits and have them compete in camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flushing Roots Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Another year of suck. I'd be happy with just one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Straw Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Sorry, I'm not sold on the "fast, running, black QB is the future of the NFL" I see lots of colored people becoming head coaches in the NFL; do you think they're smart enough to handle a white man's job, or are you not sold on them, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I'd try to work a trade with the Giants for Ryan Nassib. Maybe offer Brick to them (they need O-Linemen badly). Then use our 1st for the top OT in the draft, and take Brett Hundley, Bryce Petty, or Sean Mannion later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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