Jets decisions are terrible & drafting worse

[Jetster]

KISS!

Keep it simple stupid!

That should be the mantra for the NY Jets when they go into drafts.

BPA doesn't work if you ignore positions of need.

Take last years draft.

Jets take Calvin Pryor when the entire draft forum of Jet fans wanted offense.

It's not how many picks you have it's how you use them.

When the Packers traded Brett Favre to us not only did the have Aaron Rogers on deck but the draft pick they got from us......drum roll please.......Jordy Nelson! at pick 36!

We have a double whammy going on here. We have a dinosaur coach that still thinks you can win by running 50 times, loves blitzing & leaving his secondary completely vulnerable to a referee crew looking for any type of contact after 5 yards. Each facet of our team has gotten worse, offense, special teams & even defense now is last or 2nd to last in many categories including 3rd down yards against.

PLUS our drafting has been abysmal & even when we draft someone they are never developed.

Davis is the only player on this team that has ascended each year.

I thought Kerley would break out but he's flatlined too.

Other than Dunbar this entire coaching staff is horrible.

[AFJF]

The Giants drafted Lawrence Taylor as BAP when they  had other needs.  Some teams take the approach that getting the best football players will make the football team better.  It's obviously all case by case, but either way can work with the right person making the selections.

[LIJetsFan]

Pryor played out of position all year.  Rex will be shown the door.  BPA is is alive and well.  Now, if JI would have allowed real competition at QB, and MM had started Amaro over Cumby we might have had something.  JI is staying but MM will be shown the door.

 

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[Ken Schroy]

Pryor played out of position all year.  Rex will be shown the door.  BPA is is alive and well.  Now, if JI would have allowed real competition at QB, and MM had started Amaro over Cumby we might have had something.  JI is staying but MM will be shown the door.  

For a long time, I thought Idzik was safe. Not anymore. I think it's better than 50 50 he's a goner.

[LIJetsFan]

For a long time, I thought Idzik was safe. Not anymore. I think it's better than 50 50 he's a goner.

One this is for sure.  For the 2nd year in a row the off season will be more interesting than the regular season.  I think JI stays but he has given Woody several good reasons to fire him so 50-50 may be closer to the decision at hand for Woody.

[HessStation]

Pryor played out of position all year.  Rex will be shown the door.  BPA is is alive and well.  Now, if JI would have allowed real competition at QB, and MM had started Amaro over Cumby we might have had something.  JI is staying but MM will be shown the door.  

 

This whole Pryor played out of position thing. Very few defensive schemes call for a consistent SS in the box nowadays. That "position" is pretty much obsolete. 

[slats]

You weigh your board accordingly, but BAP is the way to draft - especially in the early rounds. Passing up better prospects at positions allegedly not needed for lesser prospects at need positions is a sure-fire way to disintegrate your roster over time. 

 

What really needs to be called into question for the Jets is whether Pryor really was the BAP, and how they came to that conclusion. When putting a board together, positional value has to come into play. Was Pryor such a great safety that they could pass on the (higher valued positions) of QB, WR, and CB that went after him? That's certainly questionable, as is taking another lower valued position (TE) in the second round. 

 

Drafting BAP is the correct strategy, but it has to be executed correctly. 

[LIJetsFan]

This whole Pryor played out of position thing. Very few defensive schemes call for a consistent SS in the box nowadays. That "position" is pretty much obsolete. 

I freely admit that I'm no expert of defensive schemes and the frequency of the SS requirement but if a guy stinks at FS then he shouldn't be playing there.

[jgb]

garbage in, garbage out. when the scouts stink at their jobs, the strategy does not matter.

[JustInFudge]

BAP or need doesn't matter when you'd don't what you're doing and have zero eye for talent, which is the case with Idzik.

The only good pick he made was a clear BAP pick in Sheldon Richardson. So...yeah

[bitonti]

The reason why Rex runs it 50 times a game is not because he's a Neanderthal. It's because the QBs have been garbage and turnover prone. 

 

Think about this the best QB Rex has had since he arrived has been Mike Vick. that's friggin sad. 

 

I don't care about the BAP. the need is too great they have to go QB high, and every single year until they find one. Let them compete (for a change). What's the worst that can happen? They are already at rock bottom. 

[HessStation]

I freely admit that I'm no expert of defensive schemes and the frequency of the SS requirement but if a guy stinks at FS then he shouldn't be playing there.

 

I just mean schemes are so diverse now on both sides everything's based on disguising coverages and you need to be a more complete player...or safety. Totally agree he looked lost in space. 

[patman]

The Giants drafted Lawrence Taylor as BAP when they  had other needs.  Some teams take the approach that getting the best football players will make the football team better.  It's obviously all case by case, but either way can work with the right person making the selections.

They also had a glaring need at OLB. 

 

QBs, corners, and Dlineman all get drafted higher than thier "skill level' due to the critical nature of thier positions. 

[SOJFan]

until bradway and the scouts are gone.   the jets will continue to SUCK    #SOJ

[patman]

The reason why Rex runs it 50 times a game is not because he's a Neanderthal. It's because the QBs have been garbage and turnover prone. 

 

Think about this the best QB Rex has had since he arrived has been Mike Vick. that's friggin sad. 

 

I don't care about the BAP. the need is too great they have to go QB high, and every single year until they find one. Let them compete (for a change). What's the worst that can happen? They are already at rock bottom. 

 

 

 

But you can lay at his feet the lack of development at the position.  He sets the bar and the standard for which players are held to. His constantly making excuses for them and not holding them accountable, but instead publicly praising them.  You would think that he was coaching Pop Warner.   

 

If the two prime guys are off the board, you don't draft another guy who they have ranked a round later. 

[HessStation]

until bradway and the scouts are gone.   the jets will continue to SUCK    #SOJ

I love that Bradway's claim to fame during his entire tenure with the Jets is the rumor that he wanted Russell Wilson. LOL. lol...

[Sperm Edwards]

You weigh your board accordingly, but BAP is the way to draft - especially in the early rounds. Passing up better prospects at positions allegedly not needed for lesser prospects at need positions is a sure-fire way to disintegrate your roster over time. 

 

What really needs to be called into question for the Jets is whether Pryor really was the BAP, and how they came to that conclusion. When putting a board together, positional value has to come into play. Was Pryor such a great safety that they could pass on the (higher valued positions) of QB, WR, and CB that went after him? That's certainly questionable, as is taking another lower valued position (TE) in the second round. 

 

Drafting BAP is the correct strategy, but it has to be executed correctly. 

 

Really, yes. If he was judged to have been the best player remaining in the entire draft (and/or the best value remaining in the entire draft), then the problem is in evaluation before one even asks any questions as to drafting or team-building philosophy.

[Sperm Edwards]

I love that Bradway's claim to fame during his entire tenure with the Jets is the rumor that he wanted Russell Wilson. LOL. lol...

 

He has other claims to fame. Just not ones that are looked upon favorably, starting with the hire of Herm Edwards (though that may or may not have been a deal Woody J made with the league so he would get the team despite being the #2 bidder).

[Villain The Foe]

KISS!

Keep it simple stupid!

That should be the mantra for the NY Jets when they go into drafts.

BPA doesn't work if you ignore positions of need.

Take last years draft.

Jets take Calvin Pryor when the entire draft forum of Jet fans wanted offense.

It's not how many picks you have it's how you use them.

When the Packers traded Brett Favre to us not only did the have Aaron Rogers on deck but the draft pick they got from us......drum roll please.......Jordy Nelson! at pick 36!

We have a double whammy going on here. We have a dinosaur coach that still thinks you can win by running 50 times, loves blitzing & leaving his secondary completely vulnerable to a referee crew looking for any type of contact after 5 yards. Each facet of our team has gotten worse, offense, special teams & even defense now is last or 2nd to last in many categories including 3rd down yards against.

PLUS our drafting has been abysmal & even when we draft someone they are never developed.

Davis is the only player on this team that has ascended each year.

I thought Kerley would break out but he's flatlined too.

Other than Dunbar this entire coaching staff is horrible.

I see your point, but when you have 13 picks and you just signed Eric Decker before the draft, you kind of have the option to go BAP with the first draft pick. Trust me, DB was a position of need, the problem is we drafted a SS and not a FS which is what we needed. 

 

We dont have the coaching staff to take advantage of any player at any position outside of defensive line thanks to Karl Dunbar. And Sheldon Richardson was drafted when almost everyone (including myself) wanted offense. No one is bitching about that pick today. 

[bitonti]

But you can lay at his feet the lack of development at the position.   

 

that assumes a better coach gets more out of these players. Did you see the Eagles game last week? Chip Kelly's lowest offensive output in both college and the NFL was because Mark Sanchez isn't very good. Similarly when the Jets cut Geno, I am not going to lose sleep that he's going to win a ring in another city. These guys are just bad. 

[#27TheDominator]

We never develop anybody!

 

Pryor is a useless pick and will never amount to anything!

[#27TheDominator]

The Jets didn't need any kind of safety.  They had 3 serviceable safeties and were going into the season with Milliner, Patterson and Wilson.  They needed a CB.  Rex doesn't seem to use CF safeties that much and I am tired of hearing that Pryor was out of position.  If he can't play back at all he is a linebacker.  He is adjusting to the game and taking poor angles.  Shocking for a rookie!

[Integrity28]

KISS!

Keep it simple stupid!

That should be the mantra for the NY Jets when they go into drafts.

BPA doesn't work if you ignore positions of need.

Take last years draft.

Jets take Calvin Pryor when the entire draft forum of Jet fans wanted offense.

It's not how many picks you have it's how you use them.

When the Packers traded Brett Favre to us not only did the have Aaron Rogers on deck but the draft pick they got from us......drum roll please.......Jordy Nelson! at pick 36!

We have a double whammy going on here. We have a dinosaur coach that still thinks you can win by running 50 times, loves blitzing & leaving his secondary completely vulnerable to a referee crew looking for any type of contact after 5 yards. Each facet of our team has gotten worse, offense, special teams & even defense now is last or 2nd to last in many categories including 3rd down yards against.

PLUS our drafting has been abysmal & even when we draft someone they are never developed.

Davis is the only player on this team that has ascended each year.

I thought Kerley would break out but he's flatlined too.

Other than Dunbar this entire coaching staff is horrible.

Calvin Pryor was a need/ want pick, nowhere close to BPA.

I appreciate your outrage, but I think your details are off, IMO at least.

[SickJetFan]

KISS!

Keep it simple stupid!

That should be the mantra for the NY Jets when they go into drafts.

BPA doesn't work if you ignore positions of need.

Take last years draft.

Jets take Calvin Pryor when the entire draft forum of Jet fans wanted offense.

It's not how many picks you have it's how you use them.

When the Packers traded Brett Favre to us not only did the have Aaron Rogers on deck but the draft pick they got from us......drum roll please.......Jordy Nelson! at pick 36!

We have a double whammy going on here. We have a dinosaur coach that still thinks you can win by running 50 times, loves blitzing & leaving his secondary completely vulnerable to a referee crew looking for any type of contact after 5 yards. Each facet of our team has gotten worse, offense, special teams & even defense now is last or 2nd to last in many categories including 3rd down yards against.

PLUS our drafting has been abysmal & even when we draft someone they are never developed.

Davis is the only player on this team that has ascended each year.

I thought Kerley would break out but he's flatlined too.

Other than Dunbar this entire coaching staff is horrible.

Dunbar job is pretty easy given players he gets to coach.

[SickJetFan]

This whole Pryor played out of position thing. Very few defensive schemes call for a consistent SS in the box nowadays. That "position" is pretty much obsolete. 

agree and even a pure SS must be able to cover once in a while.

[AFJF]

They also had a glaring need at OLB. 

 

QBs, corners, and Dlineman all get drafted higher than thier "skill level' due to the critical nature of thier positions. 

 

They had lots of needs, but based on some of the interviews out of the Giant's war room was that there were other players who filled bigger needs and the Giants opted to go with LT and just said "we'll find a way to get him on the field".  I always remembered that after watching a documentary on the Giants when I was a kid.  It sold me on the importance of BAP if a guy is THAT good.

[flgreen]

Letting Darrelle Revis go to Patriots was NY Jets GM John Idzik's worst move of all

The Revis blunders reflect Idzik’s general cluelessness. Although you can easily to point to about a dozen other head-scratching moves, this one really stings.

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Monday, December 15, 2014, 11:16 PM

If you are a Jets fan and can't stand to see this sight - Darrelle Revis in a Patriots jersey - you only have one person to blame: GM John Idzik.

If you are a Jets fan and can't stand to see this sight - Darrelle Revis in a Patriots jersey - you only have one person to blame: GM John Idzik.

John Idzik’s bumbling two-year journey began with a boneheaded decision that sent the Jets plunging into irrelevance, while their hated rivals cackled like hyenas.

Before the GM engaged in questionable negotiating tactics during free agency last offseason, left the roster barren at Rex Ryan’s most valued position, whiffed on arguably the deepest wide receiver draft class in NFL history and stumbled through a disjointed midseason press conference, he botched the Darrelle Revis situation in epic fashion.

The Patriots, frankly, think the whole thing is hilarious.

It’s impossible to look at Idzik these days without hearing the theme music to The Benny Hill Show in your head. He’s become a punchline in league circles. Respect level on a 10-point scale: 0.311.

Woody Johnson is mulling a massive overhaul thanks, in part, to Idzik’s unrivaled stubbornness and fundamental lack of understanding of how to construct a winning roster.

It started by trading away Revis nearly two years ago.

The biggest myth surrounding the saga: Johnson demanded that his new general manager get rid of the Pro Bowl cornerback.

Johnson’s deep-seated disdain for Revis and his camp is a convenient narrative steeped in fiction. The Jets owner never delivered a directive to trade the Pro Bowler, according to several candidates interviewed for the job.

Was Revis, Inc., difficult to deal with at times? Sure.

Did Revis, Inc., challenge the Jets like few others to maximize the player’s worth? Absolutely.

Did Johnson hold a grudge? Nope.

Johnson’s modus operandi during the GM interview process has been corroborated by several candidates, who interviewed for the gig after the 2012 season. The owner asked candidates about a variety of key

issues facing the franchise at the time, including Revis’ future.

Johnson wanted a vision and plan that included the wise course of action on the Revis front. Some candidates picked a side.

Others offered a more generic response. Through it all, Johnson, who examines topics from all angles, listened.

No candidate was eliminated from the process simply because he wanted to keep Revis on the roster. Any suggestion otherwise simply isn’t true.

Idzik — and Idzik alone — was responsible for jettisoning Revis to the Buccaneers before the 2013 draft. When a front office and coaching purge a year later prompted new Bucs GM Jason Licht to cut Revis, Idzik opted not to take an aggressive approach to bring back the cornerback.

Woody Johnson (l.) never delivered a directive to get rid of Revis, sources say.

HOWARD SIMMONS/NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Woody Johnson (l.) never delivered a directive to get rid of Revis, sources say.

The Revis camp reached out to two prominent members of the Jets organization, according to sources, but Idzik wasn’t interested in a reunion. The GM would have been viewed as a genius if he brought back Revis, whose top priority was to return to play for Ryan.

Idzik should have kept Revis and drafted Sheldon Richardson with the No. 9 pick in the 2013 draft (instead of Dee Milliner).

Sure, he gaffed by trading away the most indispensable player on Ryan’s defense, but the

football gods gave him another chance to make it right. The stars aligned.

The Jets could have loaned Revis to the Bucs for one year while he strengthened his surgically repaired knee. Luck and circumstance intersected. Idzik would have hit the jackpot by signing Revis.

Instead, the GM channeled his inner Jim Marshall and went the wrong way… all the way to the house.

“He would have showed that he’s willing to admit a mistake and correct it,” one front office executive said.

Idzik soldered on, racking up one bad decision after another in a tapestry of terribleness.

While Johnson mulls the future of Idzik (l.) and others, jettisoning Revis should be taken into consideration.

Johnson gave Idzik the freedom to set the course, echoing the GM’s hollow talking points that ultimately led to nothing but one giant mess.

Meanwhile, Revis, who returns to MetLife Stadium Sunday for the second time since getting traded, has led a resurgence in the Patriots secondary.

Revis is second in Pro Football Focus’ overall cornerback ratings. The top five Jets cornerbacks are ranked 56th, 65th, 73rd, 77th and 90th.

Revis, third in PFF’s pass coverage ratings, has given up two touchdowns on 74 passes thrown his way.

Opposing quarterbacks have completed 50 percent of their passes and have a 68.7 rating against him.

The Jets secondary is among the worst in the league.

The Revis blunders reflect Idzik’s general cluelessness. Although you can easily to point to about a dozen other head-scratching moves, this one really stings.

"We fully expect him to be up to the Revis Island that we’ve all known and loved," Johnson said a month before Idzik cut the cord on the game-changer.

One of the best players in Jets history now is positioned to make a Super Bowl run with Bill Belichick thanks to the wisdom of John Idzik.

[Sperm Edwards]

The reason why Rex runs it 50 times a game is not because he's a Neanderthal. It's because the QBs have been garbage and turnover prone. 

 

Think about this the best QB Rex has had since he arrived has been Mike Vick. that's friggin sad. 

 

I don't care about the BAP. the need is too great they have to go QB high, and every single year until they find one. Let them compete (for a change). What's the worst that can happen? They are already at rock bottom. 

 

I think a team makes a list of the BAP to this team. That most of the picks are originally sorted according to pure BAP, but then re-sorted by value and value to the team. If Indianapolis had the #1 pick would they take Mariotta? Would they take him anywhere in the top 50? It wouldn't/couldn't happen, because he wouldn't last that long, but the only possible reason they'd do it would be to trade him and make a net gain higher than what he cost them.  Likewise, if the best blocking+receiving fullback prospect in 30 years was coming out this season no one would even consider taking him anywhere near the top of the draft (or near a pick that's near a pick that's near a pick near the top of the draft).

 

Pure, unadulterated BAP with no regard for position/value is just ignorant (i.e. Indy drafting a QB in round 1). Likewise, a pure need-based pick that is such low value for the slot, it's equally ignorant (anyone drafting a FB or a K or P within breathing distance of round 1).

 

Grossly over-drafting for need, IMO, is the equivalent of offering a $3M/year free agent a $10M/year contract.  If the best available QB is commonly thought to be a 3rd round prospect, you still don't take him with a top 10 pick. At best you'd trade your #5-10 pick in round 2 and move down 10 slots and grab him there. You end up with the same player and have a lot more to show for it (an extra 4th rounder plus the top 10 pick you drafted that was otherwise unavailable in round 2).

 

Pure need-based is how we end up with McDougle in round 3 and Jalen Saunders shortly thereafter. If we weren't so desperate for a CB to take the job away from Patterson (if he even stuck around long enough to get injured during the season), then they probably would have still drafted McDougle but it would have happened with one of our picks towards the end of round 4 or later. If Kerley was locked up (and a better punt returner) Saunders wouldn't have been taken earlier than round 6.

 

I will grant you that QB is an obvious, glaring exception because the position is otherwise unworkable unless you temporarily catch lightning in a bottle (think Derek Anderson) or just get unpredictably lucky with another player (stud/star QBs who were late round picks or undrafted outright). There is no realistic path to a SB win if your best QB option is Geno Smith, no matter how stacked the rest of the team is. A defense would have to give up no more than 3-6 ppg and even then it's debatable.

[Sperm Edwards]

Letting Darrelle Revis go to Patriots was NY Jets GM John Idzik's worst move of all

The Revis blunders reflect Idzik’s general cluelessness. Although you can easily to point to about a dozen other head-scratching moves, this one really stings.

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Monday, December 15, 2014, 11:16 PM....

 

Author = Manish Mehta.  I can't take a journalist seriously when he knows Idzik and has such a personal ax to grind with him. 

 

What good would Revis have done to the 2014 Jets? Used up $12M (or more) of next year's flexibility just to do it? We weren't winning a SB with or without him. Even NE only signed him because they viewed themselves as contenders without him and a favorite with him, have unsuccessfully tried to fill the position for years, and the Brady window was closing.  The Jets and Patriots were in totally different positions when Tampa cut Revis.

 

Further, if one wants to use past injuries as a predictor of future injuries, as many have stated with Milliner/McDougle after they were injured, Revis was as likely to miss the entire season to injury as either of the 2 Jets CBs that missed the entire season. Probably more so. The actual result is merely using hindsight to play know-it-all. 

 

Somehow I doubt Mehta would have written this article if Revis re-injured his knee and missed the season, or had/faked another nagging hammy injury that caused him to miss games an play like crap, and if Milliner and/or McDougle didn't. Even if Idzik did re-sign Revis (assuming that it was allowed, and also assuming Revis didn't already have a deal in place with NE, which are 2 massive assumptions), had we re-signed him for some $13M or more for the year, and it was Revis who missed the season after injuring his knee again, there's little doubt Mehta would have repeatedly crucified him in the paper for not having the foresight to predict that as well.

 

 

I think the Jets should do a full housecleaning, but so should the Daily News. It would be one thing if he was smart and controversial, and that caused Jets fans discomfort to hear inconvenient but irrefutable truths. Mehta is not smart and controversial, though. He's just petty and childish, and frankly is using his position like a wimpy bully.  If the owner doesn't want Revis back, and was the one who spearheaded Revis's departure in the first place, Mehta knows perfectly well Idzik can't respond and throw the team owner under the bus to absolve himself, or his 50/50 prospect of returning becomes zero.  And Mehta knows that is the case, because he wrote about it himself:

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/jets-fans-revis-reaches-one-year-12-million-deal-rival-patriots-article-1.1719829

"...Woody Johnson spearheaded a divorce with one of the best players in franchise history..."

"John Idzik [...] was hired, in part, because he agreed with owner Woody Johnson’s belief to trade Ryan’s best player..."

 

Anyone (like Mehta) who parrots the alleged opinion that Revis wanted to come back here IMO is willfully ignoring what Revis really meant: he wanted the Jets to pay him more than anyone else would pay him, on a $13 million 1-year deal (or more, if there was a bidding war, which Revis also surely wanted). And the Jets were supposed to do this during an offseason in which they don't even know if they will have a starter-worthy QB come September. That's if he actually wanted to come back here at all, and didn't just want the Jets to make him an offer so he could get even with Woody by telling the Jets to go f*ck themselves.

 

 

There are plenty of good reasons to justify moving on from Idzik at the end of the season. This is not one of them.

[FidelioJet]

 

Author = Manish Mehta.  I can't take a journalist seriously when he knows Idzik and has such a personal ax to grind with him. 

 

What good would Revis have done to the 2014 Jets? Used up $12M (or more) of next year's flexibility just to do it? We weren't winning a SB with or without him. Even NE only signed him because they viewed themselves as contenders without him and a favorite with him, have unsuccessfully tried to fill the position for years, and the Brady window was closing.  The Jets and Patriots were in totally different positions when Tampa cut Revis.

 

Further, if one wants to use past injuries as a predictor of future injuries, as many have stated with Milliner/McDougle after they were injured, Revis was as likely to miss the entire season to injury as either of the 2 Jets CBs that missed the entire season. Probably more so. The actual result is merely using hindsight to play know-it-all. 

 

Somehow I doubt Mehta would have written this article if Revis re-injured his knee and missed the season, or had/faked another nagging hammy injury that caused him to miss games an play like crap, and if Milliner and/or McDougle didn't. Even if Idzik did re-sign Revis (assuming that it was allowed, and also assuming Revis didn't already have a deal in place with NE, which are 2 massive assumptions), had we re-signed him for some $13M or more for the year, and it was Revis who missed the season after injuring his knee again, there's little doubt Mehta would have repeatedly crucified him in the paper for not having the foresight to predict that as well.

 

 

I think the Jets should do a full housecleaning, but so should the Daily News. It would be one thing if he was smart and controversial, and that caused Jets fans discomfort to hear inconvenient but irrefutable truths. Mehta is not smart and controversial, though. He's just petty and childish, and frankly is using his position like a wimpy bully.  If the owner doesn't want Revis back, and was the one who spearheaded Revis's departure in the first place, Mehta knows perfectly well Idzik can't respond and throw the team owner under the bus to absolve himself, or his 50/50 prospect of returning becomes zero.  And Mehta knows that is the case, because he wrote about it himself:

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/jets-fans-revis-reaches-one-year-12-million-deal-rival-patriots-article-1.1719829

"...Woody Johnson spearheaded a divorce with one of the best players in franchise history..."

"John Idzik [...] was hired, in part, because he agreed with owner Woody Johnson’s belief to trade Ryan’s best player..."

 

Anyone (like Mehta) who parrots the alleged opinion that Revis wanted to come back here IMO is willfully ignoring what Revis really meant: he wanted the Jets to pay him more than anyone else would pay him, on a $13 million 1-year deal (or more, if there was a bidding war, which Revis also surely wanted). And the Jets were supposed to do this during an offseason in which they don't even know if they will have a starter-worthy QB come September. That's if he actually wanted to come back here at all, and didn't just want the Jets to make him an offer so he could get even with Woody by telling the Jets to go f*ck themselves.

 

 

There are plenty of good reasons to justify moving on from Idzik at the end of the season. This is not one of them.

 

Great post...a realist view of the situation...

 

Not just someone out for blood like most Jet fans.

[j4jets]

The Giants drafted Lawrence Taylor as BAP when they  had other needs.  Some teams take the approach that getting the best football players will make the football team better.  It's obviously all case by case, but either way can work with the right person making the selections.

 

BAP (or BPA) philosophy can only work if you can identify the talent. And its the ingredient for a long term success, probably not the short term. Calvin wasn't BPA on anyone's board besides maybe Idziks. 

[slats]

BAP (or BPA) philosophy can only work if you can identify the talent. And its the ingredient for a long term success, probably not the short term. Calvin wasn't BPA on anyone's board besides maybe Idziks. 

 

If you can't identify talent, drafting for need probably isn't going to get you anywhere, either. 

[T0mShane]

The pro-Rex movement is officially dumber than the pro-Herm movement was. Not even close at this point.

Letting Darrelle Revis go to Patriots was NY Jets GM John Idzik's worst move of all

The Revis blunders reflect Idzik’s general cluelessness. Although you can easily to point to about a dozen other head-scratching moves, this one really stings.

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Monday, December 15, 2014, 11:16 PM

If you are a Jets fan and can't stand to see this sight - Darrelle Revis in a Patriots jersey - you only have one person to blame: GM John Idzik.

If you are a Jets fan and can't stand to see this sight - Darrelle Revis in a Patriots jersey - you only have one person to blame: GM John Idzik.

John Idzik’s bumbling two-year journey began with a boneheaded decision that sent the Jets plunging into irrelevance, while their hated rivals cackled like hyenas.

Before the GM engaged in questionable negotiating tactics during free agency last offseason, left the roster barren at Rex Ryan’s most valued position, whiffed on arguably the deepest wide receiver draft class in NFL history and stumbled through a disjointed midseason press conference, he botched the Darrelle Revis situation in epic fashion.

The Patriots, frankly, think the whole thing is hilarious.

It’s impossible to look at Idzik these days without hearing the theme music to The Benny Hill Show in your head. He’s become a punchline in league circles. Respect level on a 10-point scale: 0.311.

Woody Johnson is mulling a massive overhaul thanks, in part, to Idzik’s unrivaled stubbornness and fundamental lack of understanding of how to construct a winning roster.

It started by trading away Revis nearly two years ago.

The biggest myth surrounding the saga: Johnson demanded that his new general manager get rid of the Pro Bowl cornerback.

Johnson’s deep-seated disdain for Revis and his camp is a convenient narrative steeped in fiction. The Jets owner never delivered a directive to trade the Pro Bowler, according to several candidates interviewed for the job.

Was Revis, Inc., difficult to deal with at times? Sure.

Did Revis, Inc., challenge the Jets like few others to maximize the player’s worth? Absolutely.

Did Johnson hold a grudge? Nope.

Johnson’s modus operandi during the GM interview process has been corroborated by several candidates, who interviewed for the gig after the 2012 season. The owner asked candidates about a variety of key

issues facing the franchise at the time, including Revis’ future.

Johnson wanted a vision and plan that included the wise course of action on the Revis front. Some candidates picked a side.

Others offered a more generic response. Through it all, Johnson, who examines topics from all angles, listened.

No candidate was eliminated from the process simply because he wanted to keep Revis on the roster. Any suggestion otherwise simply isn’t true.

Idzik — and Idzik alone — was responsible for jettisoning Revis to the Buccaneers before the 2013 draft. When a front office and coaching purge a year later prompted new Bucs GM Jason Licht to cut Revis, Idzik opted not to take an aggressive approach to bring back the cornerback.

Woody Johnson (l.) never delivered a directive to get rid of Revis, sources say.

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Woody Johnson (l.) never delivered a directive to get rid of Revis, sources say.

The Revis camp reached out to two prominent members of the Jets organization, according to sources, but Idzik wasn’t interested in a reunion. The GM would have been viewed as a genius if he brought back Revis, whose top priority was to return to play for Ryan.

Idzik should have kept Revis and drafted Sheldon Richardson with the No. 9 pick in the 2013 draft (instead of Dee Milliner).

Sure, he gaffed by trading away the most indispensable player on Ryan’s defense, but the

football gods gave him another chance to make it right. The stars aligned.

The Jets could have loaned Revis to the Bucs for one year while he strengthened his surgically repaired knee. Luck and circumstance intersected. Idzik would have hit the jackpot by signing Revis.

Instead, the GM channeled his inner Jim Marshall and went the wrong way… all the way to the house.

“He would have showed that he’s willing to admit a mistake and correct it,” one front office executive said.

Idzik soldered on, racking up one bad decision after another in a tapestry of terribleness.

While Johnson mulls the future of Idzik (l.) and others, jettisoning Revis should be taken into consideration.

Johnson gave Idzik the freedom to set the course, echoing the GM’s hollow talking points that ultimately led to nothing but one giant mess.

Meanwhile, Revis, who returns to MetLife Stadium Sunday for the second time since getting traded, has led a resurgence in the Patriots secondary.

Revis is second in Pro Football Focus’ overall cornerback ratings. The top five Jets cornerbacks are ranked 56th, 65th, 73rd, 77th and 90th.

Revis, third in PFF’s pass coverage ratings, has given up two touchdowns on 74 passes thrown his way.

Opposing quarterbacks have completed 50 percent of their passes and have a 68.7 rating against him.

The Jets secondary is among the worst in the league.

The Revis blunders reflect Idzik’s general cluelessness. Although you can easily to point to about a dozen other head-scratching moves, this one really stings.

"We fully expect him to be up to the Revis Island that we’ve all known and loved," Johnson said a month before Idzik cut the cord on the game-changer.

One of the best players in Jets history now is positioned to make a Super Bowl run with Bill Belichick thanks to the wisdom of John Idzik.

[ylekram]

Pryor played out of position all year.  Rex will be shown the door.  BPA is is alive and well.  Now, if JI would have allowed real competition at QB, and MM had started Amaro over Cumby we might have had something.  JI is staying but MM will be shown the door.  

this post is hilarious

[Sperm Edwards]

BAP (or BPA) philosophy can only work if you can identify the talent. And its the ingredient for a long term success, probably not the short term. Calvin wasn't BPA on anyone's board besides maybe Idziks. 

 

I don't think he went best-available this year. I think he did that in 2013 (at least earlier-on), and expected that to continue in 2014. But 2014 was as needs-based as a draft gets, from top to bottom.