Evaluating JETS' QB Options With Mariota Out Of Reach

[Ken Schroy]

Evaluating JETS' QB Options With Mariota Out Of Reach

 

By Brian Costello

 

December 15, 2014 | 7:43pm

 

 

 

 

So, the Marcus Mariota bubble seems to have burst for the Jets. Now what?

With Sunday’s win, the Jets severely hurt their chances of landing the No. 1 pick in April’s draft and a shot at the Heisman Trophy winner. The Jets currently are sixth in the projected draft order, which may leave them watching teams like the Buccaneers, Titans and Redskins taking Mariota or Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston.

The Jets are about to undergo major changes with coach Rex Ryan a near lock to be fired in two weeks and general manager John Idzik more than likely to be thrown out with him. The biggest chore for that new front office and coaching staff will be figuring out the quarterback spot on this team. Do you try to trade up for one of those stud quarterbacks? Do you draft a project in the middle rounds? Do you take a chance in free agency? Do you give Geno Smith another chance?

Those are all daunting questions without easy answers. You always start by evaluating what you have in-house, so Smith will get the first look. He has played OK since returning to the starting lineup three weeks ago. He has managed the game and limited the turnovers. He threw an interception to end the Miami game and to begin the Minnesota game, but has played a clean seven quarters since — a feat for him.

 

“I think Geno’s played well,” Ryan said. “He did a good job protecting the football. I think that’s where it starts. It was tough sledding there, but I think he made some good throws. There were a couple, obviously, we wish we had back, but I like the way Geno is running the offense. I thought he made some good reads in the option and things like that. I’ve been happy with Geno.”

Some think Smith benefitted from his three weeks on the bench watching Michael Vick.

“I think it was just another boost for him,” tackle Breno Giacomini said. “He is coming to work. He is motivated. He seems like he is having a good time. He seems really good. I just think it sparked him a little bit. I think it has helped us all out. I like Geno as a quarterback. I like him as my quarterback. I will do everything I can to make him look good.”

The new regime can’t just hand Smith the starting job in 2015, but he may be showing enough down the stretch to warrant a chance to compete for the job next year and at least a role as the team’s backup.

The free-agent market is underwhelming to say the least. Brian Hoyer and Mark Sanchez are the top names on the list. Hoyer has been benched in Cleveland and Sanchez is a road the Jets cannot go back down. There is a possibility the Redskins cut Robert Griffin III, but his baggage may be too scary to take a chance on.

The Browns’ Brian Hoyer is a potential free-agent option.Photo: AP

It is unlikely the Jets will fall any further than sixth in the draft order since they are 3-11 and there are no four-win teams right now. The Jets would have to win their final two and a five-win team lose theirs for the Jets to tumble. They could move up with the Titans and Jaguars playing each other Thursday night and if one of the teams below them in the standings (above them in draft order) pulls off an upset.

If they are at 5 or 6 in the draft, they would have to consider moving up to get Mariota or Winston, but teams will be looking for a “ransom,” according to one league source. If you are a new regime, do you mortgage the next few drafts for one of these quarterbacks?

The Jets could take Michigan State’s Connor Cook or UCLA’s Brett Hundley in the middle rounds and try to develop them, but they likely won’t help the team in 2015.

The quarterback headache is going to be a major one for whoever is calling the shots for the Jets next year.

 

[faba]

This has  been the problem for this franchise for the past 30 years so what else is new- find the franchise QB

[LWC611]

I like Sean Mannion from Oregon State.  I am not fan of Heisman Winning QB's.  Generally Heisman winning QB's do not fare well in the pros.  In fact most of them do rather poorly.   

 

I would rather draft Amare Cooper if he is there, if not best o-lineman on the board.  Mannion in the second round. 

[faba]

An possible name to look at in middle rounds is Grayson from Colorado ST-

[New York Mick]

An possible name to look at in middle rounds is Grayson from Colorado ST-

I think Brissett from NC State is worth a later pick as well.

[faba]

I think Brissett from NC State is worth a later pick as well.

I only saw him against Florida St- he played well there for most of the game

[Ken Schroy]

NY Jets may miss out on Marcus Mariota and Jameis Winston, but they're no sure things Right now, with the April 30 draft 135 days away, Mariota and Winston would go to the first two teams needing quarterbacks, which means they’d be taken by the Bucs and Titans without the Jets getting near them.

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Critics wonder if Heisman Trophy winner Marcus Mariota's skills from Oregon's spread offense will translate into the NFL.

It's just not in the Jets’ DNA to have any luck.

Suck For The Duck.

Jameis To the Jets.

It’s not looking good.

The Jets have sucked, but not quite enough. Even when the Jets win, they lose. Their victory over the Titans on Sunday improved their record to 3-11 and with the Bucs, Titans, Jaguars and Raiders at 2-12 and at the moment owning the first four picks in the 2015 draft with Washington (3-11) holding the tiebreaker over the Jets for the fifth spot, the Jets chance of getting Oregon’s Heisman winner Marcus Mariota or Florida State’s Jameis Winston at No. 6 is a real longshot.

The order at the top of the draft can change in the last two weeks of the season – the Titans play a huge game at the Jaguars on Thursday night – but it looks like Rex Ryan’s going-away/holiday present to Jets fans will be the victory in Nashville that ensures the team continues to suffer at quarterback.

There is one bit of good news to the Jets winning on Sunday: Mariota and Winston are not can’t-miss prospects. There are questions how Mariota’s skill set in Oregon’s spread offense will translate into the NFL.

One scout compared him to Robert Griffin III and Johnny Manziel, which he did not intend as a compliment.

Winston has had all kinds of off-field problems and one scout said Monday, “He doesn’t have the character to make it in New York.” On the field, one source compared him to Ben Roethlisberger.

Right now, with the April 30 draft 135 days away, Mariota and Winston would go to the first two teams needing quarterbacks, which means they’d be taken by the Bucs and Titans without the Jets getting near them.

But if the Jaguars, who drafted Blake Bortles in the first round this year, or the Raiders, who drafted Derek Carr in the second round this year, finish with the first or second pick, it would give the Jets an opportunity to make a trade to move up. It’s hard to imagine Washington taking a QB in the first round, despite RG III’s struggles, just three years after giving up three first-round picks and a second-round pick to move up to get him.

There’s the possibility Mariota or Winston can fall to the Jets. But if they were to get past the Bucs and Titans, who are desperate for an elite quarterback, that would signal red flags that might make the Jets pass on them, too.

Remember, a lot can change between now and the draft. Two years ago at this time, it was expected that Geno Smith was going to be the overall first pick. By the time NFL teams had finished evaluating him at the combine, working him out and interviewing him, he slipped to the seventh pick in the second round, with the Jets taking him No. 39 overall.

Here’s the definition of luck: In 1996, the Colts made the playoffs. In 1997, they were 3-13, giving them the first pick in the ’98 draft. They took Peyton Manning. He was nine-for-nine making the playoffs in his last nine seasons in Indy, never winning fewer than 10 games and making it to two Super Bowls and winning one.

He missed the entire 2011 season after his fourth neck surgery and the Colts were 2-14. They cut Manning after the season and drafted Andrew Luck with the overall No. 1 pick. He was the best QB prospect since Manning and is three-for-three making the playoffs.

Think about it: The Colts are bad for one year and they transition right from Manning to Luck.

 

The Jets had the No. 1 pick in 1996 and took wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson. No QBs were taken in the first round. In ’97, the Jets had the first pick again, but Manning elected to stay at Tennessee for his final season and Bill Parcells traded down.

The history of Heisman winning QBs in the Super Bowl era has been miserable. Roger Staubach and Jim Plunkett are the only two to win titles and Vinny Testaverde made it to the AFC Championship Game. Most of the others had disappointing pro careers.

Heisman trophies don’t go to the best NFL prospect. They go to the best college player. Mariota has been sensational, but he plays out of the shotgun in Oregon’s spread offense. “No quarterback fails in that system,” one scout said.

He is concerned how Mariota would perform in a pro style offense, where he’d have to drop back.

One scout considers Winston the better pro prospect.

“It’s not even close,” he said.

Winston is going to have to answer a lot of questions before any team is comfortable making the investment in him. “If you divorce from the off the field stuff, Jameis is pretty damn good,” another scout said. “He’s got great football instincts.”

It’s the Jets luck, of course, that they’re having what could tie for the second worst season in franchise history, but still not be bad enough to get one of the two best quarterbacks.

[JustInFudge]

I think Brissett from NC State is worth a later pick as well.

 

Didnt watch a ton of NC State this year but he miserable at Florida. 

[MyFavoriteMartin28]

I would draft Amari Cooper sign Sam Bradford and take a chance on a qb in the later rounds.

[jgb]

if you think he's the guy trade up. a franchise QB is worth at least 3 first round picks.

[rillo]

New season, same sh*t.

[bitonti]

One scout considers Winston the better pro prospect.

“It’s not even close,” he said

 

It's probably a moot point but I agree with this. When it's all said and done WInston will have more NFL success than Mariota. It's not a contest to see who will marry your daughter. He doesn't need to be a great person. He just needs to win games. 

[New York Mick]

I only saw him against Florida St- he played well there for most of the game

I seen him play a few games he has potential but not worth the risk of a high pick.

[New York Mick]

Didnt watch a ton of NC State this year but he miserable at Florida.

Yeah it was terrible at Florida but you seem to do pretty good at NC State. He definitely looked better than Winston.

[Warfish]

What I expect is for the Jets to sell the House, trade up, and draft Winston......who will predictably be a mega-wealthy horribly immature and non-dedicated flop in New York.

 

What I'd LIKE to see happen is this:

 

First Round, #6 Overall, select WR Amari Cooper (6'1", 210), top rated WR in this draft.

 

STRENGTHS: Excellent quickness and balance to get a clean release against press coverage and to make defenders miss in space. Accelerates in a flash, generating the burst to gain separation from top cornerbacks.

 

Makes the spectacular reception look easy with terrific hand-eye coordination and awareness to high-point passes. Competitive blocker.

 

WEAKNESSES: Will freelance on his routes a bit and simply drops too many footballs. Cooper dropped at least one catchable pass in each of the three 2013 games I viewed (Virginia Tech, Auburn, Oklahoma), including a potential go-ahead touchdown late in the third quarter in the Iron Bowl. In all fairness to Cooper, he demonstrated his game-breaking ability against Auburn moments later with a record 99-yard score to give Alabama a 28-21 fourth quarter lead.

 

IN OUR VIEW: Box score statistics can often be misleading when evaluating players, but some prospects have both the resume and the skill-set that are equally as impressive to scouts. And Cooper would fall into that category.

 

He doesn't have the speed of Sammy Watkins or size of Mike Evans, two receivers drafted in the top 10 last year, but it's tough to find holes in Cooper's game. He has a natural feel for the position and is above average in two critical areas: getting open and catching the football.

 

COMPARES TO: Marqise Lee, Jaguars -- There are plenty of similarities to another former No. 9, Marqise Lee, however -- and not all of them complementary to either of the 2012 All-Americans.

 

Cooper is noticeably thicker in his chest and thighs than Lee (6-foot, 192 pounds), which may make him more likely to remain durable. He'll need to be to earn the first-round pick that Julio Jones and Roddy White received. With the only quarterback Cooper has ever known at Alabama now playing for the Cincinnati Bengals, Cooper could discover (as Lee did last year) maintaining stardom is more difficult without an experienced passer.

 

--Dane Brugler & Rob Rang (12/4/14)

Player Overview By breaking Julio Jones' freshman records for catches (59) and receiving yards (1,000) and Alabama's all-time record for touchdown receptions in a single season (11), Cooper exploded onto the scene in 2012.

 

His production tailed off as a sophomore as nagging injuries limited his availability. Despite playing in 12 games, Cooper only started seven of them and he caught "just" 45 passes for 736 yards (which led the team) and four touchdowns.

 

Cooper rebounded in a huge way in 2014, becoming the second player in SEC history to eclipse the 100-catch plateau in a season and is the only NCAA receiver with 100-plus receptions, 1,500-plus receiving yards and 14-plus receiving scores through Dec. 4.

 

 

Second Round, select WR Dorial Green-Beckham (6'5", 225), top rated TALL WR in this draft.

 

Strengths Weaknesses

STRENGTHS: Physical specimen with freakish athleticism for his tall, long frame. Long-strider with the speed to be a legitimate vertical threat.

 

Natural body power to trample defensive backs after the catch and uses his hands well downfield to fight for positioning without blatantly drawing attention to himself. Hangs in the air with the leaping ability to highpoint and tower over defenders with above-the-rim skills. Improved ballskills and rhythm in his routes to finish and be a dangerous catch-and-go receiver.

 

Experienced lining up inside and outside with various patterns in Missouri's spread offense. Became full-time starter as a sophomore in 2013 and led the team in catches and touchdown grabs.

 

WEAKNESSES: Still developing his body type and needs to devote himself in the weight room to physically mature. Doesn't have NFL work ethic yet and needs to develop a more professional demeanor in between games.

 

Tall in his routes and needs to play with more flexibility and burst in his breaks. Needs to better disguise his patterns at the stem and improve his footwork to deceive defensive backs. Will struggle at times vs. press and isn't as physical a blocker as he appears.

 

Strong off-field and maturity concerns after multiple marijuana-related offenses and other incidents that led to his dismissal from Missouri. Was in and out of foster care his entire life and hasn't had much structure in his life.

 

COMPARES TO: A.J. Green, Bengals - Green-Beckham still has a long way to go to reach his football ceiling, but flashes the potential of past first rounders like Green.

 

--Dane Brugler (7/10/14)

Player Overview Green-Beckham endured a difficult childhood in which he was in and out of foster care, but went on to star for Hillcrest high school in Springfield, Mo. While playing for his father, John.

 

Despite being the No. 1 overall prospect by Rivals.com and No. 3 by ESPN, Beckham decided to stay close to home, choosing Missouri over offers from Alabama, Arkansas, Oklahoma and Texas, among many others.

 

He burst onto the scene as an honorable mention freshman all-American in 2012 with 28 receptions for 395 yards and a team-high five receiving touchdowns.

 

Green-Beckham took over a starting job as a sophomore, leading the team with 59 catches that he turned into 883 yards and a team-high 12 touchdowns.

 

Expected to potentially be a top 10 pick following the 2014 season, Green-Beckham's lengthy list of off-field issues caught up with him as he was dismissed from the team in April. In addition to multiple marijuana-related issues, he was suspended and eventually booted from the Tigers' program following an incident in which he allegedly pushed an 18-year-old Missouri student down at least four stairs, although no charges were filed.

 

After exploring various transfer options and even the possibility of sitting out the season, Green-Beckham opted to join the Oklahoma program that had pursued him out of high school. His admission to Oklahoma came with specific stipulations that included continued rehabilitation and drug testing, according to an ESPN report, and Green-Beckham was subject to a "zero tolerance" policy.

 

 

Third Round, select potential QB of the Future (and sitting #2 in 2015) Sean Mannion, Oregon State, 6'5", 220 pound Pocket Passer.

 

Strengths Weaknesses

STRENGTHS: sports an NFL-caliber frame, has the arm to make every throw and is a classic drop-back passer with limited mobility. When he feels secure in the pocket and has the time to step into his throws correctly, Mannion's touch on intermediate and vertical passes is as impressive as any quarterback in the country. He lofts the ball with perfect trajectory over the shoulder of his receivers and allows them to go get it, demonstrating pinpoint accuracy to lead his target away from defenders.

 

Mannion has an easy, natural throwing motion and he's well-versed in coach Mike Riley's pro-style offense, which asks him to take snaps from under center as well as from the gun. While he can drive the ball when needed, it cruises, rather than explodes out of his hand. The result is that Mannion's passes look effort-less but there is some question as to whether he has the top-notch velocity to significantly boost his stock this season.

 

WEAKNESSES: Lacks mobility. Where Mannion can improve is poise under pressure. Mannion is intelligent and typically is able to read defenses prior to the snap. When he's fooled and his primary read is taken away, he has a tendency to drop back further into the pocket, rather than stepping up. Mannion is willing to absorb a hit to complete the pass, but too often does so while falling back (rather than stepping into his passes), erasing some of the zip and accuracy from his throws.

 

--Rob Rang (7/18/14)

Player Overview Reportedly given a third round grade from the NFL Advisory Committee after a record-breaking junior season, Mannion elected to return to Corvalis for a final year of college football.

 

Mannion's production (and coach Mike Riley's track record) speak for themselves. He threw for a Pac-12 record 4,662 passing yards last season, including a school record 37 touchdowns. He's entering his fourth season as the starter and is a three-time team captain.

 

 

 

For the rest of the darft, go CB and O-Line exclusively.

 

Starting QB in 2015 (a sure-thing lost year) can be anyone really, Matt Moore, Colt McCoy, whomever journeyman Vet our new Head Coach wants.

 

Skill Posision on O in 2015:

 

QB -- Veteran (McCoy or Cousins IMO) / Mannion / Whomever (Simms)

RB -- Ivory / Powell / Fullback

WR -- Decker / Cooper / Green-Beckham / Kerley / Salas

TE -- Amaro / Whomever (Cumberland I suppose)

[patman]

I would draft Amari Cooper sign Sam Bradford and take a chance on a qb in the later rounds.

 

I don't understand all the Bradford talk, The jets are not going to pay him 13 mill next year. And the rams are in no position to get Winston or Marriota. The rams will ask him to cut his pay in 1/2 and keep him on the roster.  The rams are close to the playoffs and will be foolish to go a year starting Hill.  I think Bradford would rather have a mulligan in St Louis than he would with the jets, tampa, tenn etc, a team that may be in position to get one of the "prime" qbs in the draft.

 

The rams will keep him on the roster until after the draft and before they need the money to be under the cap. So yes he may be released, but the jets would be foolish to bank on him coming in June.

[Warfish]

It's probably a moot point but I agree with this. When it's all said and done WInston will have more NFL success than Mariota. It's not a contest to see who will marry your daughter. He doesn't need to be a great person. He just needs to win games. 

 

Discounting a legacy of criminality and immaturity for a guy about to be handed millions of dollars and placed in the greatest City of Sin and bad Opportunities on Earth (New York) is a recipe for disappointment Bit.

 

What makes you believe Winston is worth trading up for (and we would have to, bank on that, at least two QB hungry teams will be ahead of us) and assured you he will suddenly be Mr. Mature and Mr. Dedicated, staying away from clubs, shady characters and plain old lack of dedication after his big payday?

[Beerfish]

It's probably a moot point but I agree with this. When it's all said and done WInston will have more NFL success than Mariota. It's not a contest to see who will marry your daughter. He doesn't need to be a great person. He just needs to win games. 

He has to be on the playing field to do that.  Both of these guys have some big upside but some big questions.  To me Winston looks the part of a solid NFL Qb but he turns the ball over too much.  Mariotta looks great and will do well but onlyif a team creates their offense to suit him.

[Jack Straw]

It's probably a moot point but I agree with this. When it's all said and done WInston will have more NFL success than Mariota. It's not a contest to see who will marry your daughter. He doesn't need to be a great person. He just needs to win games. 

 

I tend to agree. On the field and in the locker room, Winston is a fantastic leader. Off the field, I realize it's a different story, but I did a lot of stupid sh*t when I was 20 years old and nobody was calling me a thug because I wasn't under a microscope. He'll grow up.

 

Winston is my pick if he's there.

[JustInFudge]

What I expect is for the Jets to sell the House, trade up, and draft Winston......who will predictably be a mega-wealthy horribly immature and non-dedicated flop in New York.

 

What I'd LIKE to see happen is this:

 

First Round, #6 Overall, select WR Amari Cooper (6'1", 210), top rated WR in this draft.

 

 

Second Round, select WR Dorial Green-Beckham (6'5", 225), top rated TALL WR in this draft.

 

 

Third Round, select potential QB of the Future (and sitting #2 in 2015) Sean Mannion, Oregon State, 6'5", 220 pound Pocket Passer.

 

 

 

For the rest of the darft, go CB and O-Line exclusively.

 

Starting QB in 2015 (a sure-thing lost year) can be anyone really, Matt Moore, Colt McCoy, whomever journeyman Vet our new Head Coach wants.

 

Skill Posision on O in 2015:

 

QB -- Veteran (McCoy or Cousins IMO) / Mannion / Whomever (Simms)

RB -- Ivory / Powell / Fullback

WR -- Decker / Cooper / Green-Beckham / Kerley / Salas

TE -- Amaro / Whomever (Cumberland I suppose)

 

JMO - I'd be surprised if Cooper falls to 6 and I dont see a chance in hell Green-Beckham falls out of the first.  

 

Mannion is an interesting prospect.  Curious to see what happens to him as the draft gets closer and QB needy teams see his frame and arm strength up close .

[JustInFudge]

Yeah it was terrible at Florida but you seem to do pretty good at NC State. He definitely looked better than Winston.

 

He's not better than WInston.  I know you hate Winston, rightfully so...but thats just crazy talk.  

[bitonti]

Discounting a legacy of criminality and immaturity for a guy about to be handed millions of dollars and placed in the greatest City of Sin and bad Opportunities on Earth (New York) is a recipe for disappointment Bit.

 

What makes you believe Winston is worth trading up for (and we would have to, bank on that, at least two QB hungry teams will be ahead of us) and assured you he will suddenly be Mr. Mature and Mr. Dedicated, staying away from clubs, shady characters and plain old lack of dedication after his big payday?

 

I never said he was worth trading up for. Just making a statement about Winston vs Mariota. The Jets will likely have a shot at neither. 

 

BTW what is this "criminality" we are talking about? Shouting a meme? Stealing crab legs? Nothing has stuck. 

 

for the record both of these guys scare me, not because of who they are but because of where they come from. Oregon never produces good QBs and neither does FSU (Brad Johnson in 1992 a 9th round pick was the best one in the last 25 years). 

[patman]

What I expect is for the Jets to sell the House, trade up, and draft Winston......who will predictably be a mega-wealthy horribly immature and non-dedicated flop in New York.

 

What I'd LIKE to see happen is this:

 

First Round, #6 Overall, select WR Amari Cooper (6'1", 210), top rated WR in this draft.

 

 

Second Round, select WR Dorial Green-Beckham (6'5", 225), top rated TALL WR in this draft.

 

 

Third Round, select potential QB of the Future (and sitting #2 in 2015) Sean Mannion, Oregon State, 6'5", 220 pound Pocket Passer.

 

 

 

For the rest of the darft, go CB and O-Line exclusively.

 

Starting QB in 2015 (a sure-thing lost year) can be anyone really, Matt Moore, Colt McCoy, whomever journeyman Vet our new Head Coach wants.

 

Skill Posision on O in 2015:

 

QB -- Veteran (McCoy or Cousins IMO) / Mannion / Whomever (Simms)

RB -- Ivory / Powell / Fullback

WR -- Decker / Cooper / Green-Beckham / Kerley / Salas

TE -- Amaro / Whomever (Cumberland I suppose)

 

Do you think Beckham has grown up enough in the last year? Most reports have him going back to OU and becoming a top 10 pick in 2016 where his talent would have him. 

 

I don't think Cousins or McCoy is let go.   I don't think Cousins would cost much in compensation though.  And to me. nither of these guys are going to act as a mentor to a rookie qb who is trying to take his job. A more appropriate choice would be Moore or Campbell, guys who have already had developing QBs under them. 

 

I think mannion is a good choice, and here is where I would double dip and take Grayson/Bridge too.

[Il Mostro]

The "B" part to drafting Cooper is to send Harvin, and his contract, packing.  Or, is that the "A" part?  

 

The only move the Jets have is to draft a project QB(s), hopefully not reaching too much, and sign the best available vet from the scrap heap as a bridge to the future.  Don't be surprised if we are having this same conversation for the next few years.  The names really do not matter because It's a real crapshoot, born of complete desperation.  They will have no coherent plan and will have to rely on blind luck.

[Warfish]

I never said he was worth trading up for. Just making a statement about Winston vs Mariota. The Jets will likely have a shot at neither. 

 

BTW what is this "criminality" we are talking about? Shouting a meme? Stealing crab legs? Nothing has stuck. 

 

for the record both of these guys scare me, not because of who they are but because of where they come from. Oregon never produces good QBs and neither does FSU (Brad Johnson in 1992 a 9th round pick was the best one in the last 25 years). 

 

Sexual Assault is still a crime Bit, even if a VERY friendly (i.e. corrupt) local law enforcement agency decides, surely without any input from F.S., to not prosecute.

 

In any event, I pass on both top guys, and (IMO happily) we likely have a shot at neither.

 

I take the big, tall, strong-armed kid in the mid-rounds this year.  And build an O for whomever the future QB may be, be it the 2nd Chancer we Sign, the Kid we draft in the Mids, or a guy we draft at the top next year orbeyond.

[New York Mick]

He's not better than WInston. I know you hate Winston, rightfully so...but thats just crazy talk.

I'd take him in a heart beat over Capt Turnover.

[patman]

I never said he was worth trading up for. Just making a statement about Winston vs Mariota. The Jets will likely have a shot at neither. 

 

BTW what is this "criminality" we are talking about? Shouting a meme? Stealing crab legs? Nothing has stuck. 

 

for the record both of these guys scare me, not because of who they are but because of where they come from. Oregon never produces good QBs and neither does FSU (Brad Johnson in 1992 a 9th round pick was the best one in the last 25 years). 

Bit, what do you think Godell's reaction will be when he is either found "guilty" or pays the girl off. Her attorney is one of the most successful in pursuing these cases. Just becasue the Athletic department notified his lawyer and had his lawyer queston the witnesses before the DA and that the local cops (who worked p/t for the athletic dept) did not try to get the video until 3 months later.  The Girl/woman had bruises, his semen on her clothes, and reported the attack right away after the drug wore off.

 

You don't think Godell will ding him on this or do you think he will be aquitted tin the civil trial?

[patman]

Sexual Assault is still a crime Bit, even if a VERY friendly (i.e. corrupt) local law enforcement agency decides, surely without any input from F.S., to not prosecute.

 

In any event, I pass on both top guys, and (IMO happily) we likely have a shot at neither.

 

I take the big, tall, strong-armed kid in the mid-rounds this year.  And build an O for whomever the future QB may be, be it the 2nd Chancer we Sign, the Kid we draft in the Mids, or a guy we draft at the top next year orbeyond.

 

I don't understand so many people not taking the girl's side in this. It is not as if  he has been a beacon of decorum and never gave any indication that acting reckeless and foolish was beyond him.  .

[#27TheDominator]

Cook in the middle rounds?  LOL

[JustInFudge]

I'd take him in a heart beat over Capt Turnover.

 

Well, that would be very stupid. 

[bitonti]

 You don't think Godell will ding him on this or do you think he will be aquitted tin the civil trial?

 

both. He will be acquitted (or the lawsuit settled) and Goodell only makes moves when he's being smacked in the face with video or photo evidence. Unless there's a video tape of Jameis actually raping someone, the NFL will let the courts figure it out.  A civil case like this is not their problem, only when the criminal courts get involved.  BTW it should be noted Mark Sanchez had similar accusations at USC, those magically went away too. 

[BroadwayJoe12]

What I expect is for the Jets to sell the House, trade up, and draft Winston......who will predictably be a mega-wealthy horribly immature and non-dedicated flop in New York.

 

What I'd LIKE to see happen is this:

 

First Round, #6 Overall, select WR Amari Cooper (6'1", 210), top rated WR in this draft.

 

 

Second Round, select WR Dorial Green-Beckham (6'5", 225), top rated TALL WR in this draft.

 

 

Third Round, select potential QB of the Future (and sitting #2 in 2015) Sean Mannion, Oregon State, 6'5", 220 pound Pocket Passer.

 

 

 

For the rest of the darft, go CB and O-Line exclusively.

 

Starting QB in 2015 (a sure-thing lost year) can be anyone really, Matt Moore, Colt McCoy, whomever journeyman Vet our new Head Coach wants.

 

Skill Posision on O in 2015:

 

QB -- Veteran (McCoy or Cousins IMO) / Mannion / Whomever (Simms)

RB -- Ivory / Powell / Fullback

WR -- Decker / Cooper / Green-Beckham / Kerley / Salas

TE -- Amaro / Whomever (Cumberland I suppose)

 

 

Winston scares you, but you want to hand DGB a multi-million dollar contract? Dude makes Jameis look like a saint, he pushed his gf down a flight of f*cking stairs, and that's the least of his crimes.   That having been said, I would love us to draft him, super talent. 

[New York Mick]

Well, that would be very stupid.

You'd rather take Wintson with a top 5 pick then get the best WR/OL?

I'd rather use the first two picks on the WR and OL then look at what QB is worth a 3rd or 4th.

[JustInFudge]

You'd rather take Wintson with a top 5 pick then get the best WR/OL?

I'd rather use the first two picks on the WR and OL then look at what QB is worth a 3rd or 4th.

 

Ah, gotcha.  I thought you were saying, straight up, draft position ignored, you'd take Brissett over Winston.

 

And I dont know.  I think I would prefer the QB in that situation, even with all the red flags.  I understand we all want to get creative and fix all these other things that are wrong but none of it really matters without a QB.  So I dont know at this point.  I really hate Winston.  Really hate the kid...but his talent is undeniable. 

[New York Mick]

Ah, gotcha. I thought you were saying, straight up, draft position ignored, you'd take Brissett over Winston.

And I dont know. I think I would prefer the QB in that situation, even with all the red flags. I understand we all want to get creative and fix all these other things that are wrong but none of it really matters without a QB. So I dont know at this point. I really hate Winston. Really hate the kid...but his talent is undeniable.

The problem I have a Winston is his lack of talent I could care less about his personality. He's a ******* turnover machine.