Schefter believes Idzik will be fired!

[56mehl56]

why not,  hes by far the best Defensive coach in the NFL  just for that we have to keep rex.   and the player love him.   look how hard they play for him. 

This is the funniest thing I've read here all week - thanks for the laugh.

[j4jets]

He had a solid offensive line , Trich and Thomas Jones and a drafted Shonn Greene at RB , Keller at TE all  a perfect fit for the G&P Rex wanted to run especially with a rookie QB.  Jenks was a force when healthy plus Ellis was far from washed up at that point. Harris was a tackling machine and Thomas/Pace/Devito/Pouha were certainly serviceable. He had Revis which allowed him to run his schemes on D the only way he knows how.  Plus Tanny brought in Leonhard, Scott and then Braylon mid season - so yeah the roster while far from perfect had all the pieces that allowed Rex to be comfortable in his mypoic view of football run the ball on O , blitz on D .  Problem is when the pieces started to go away ( Oline) Rex had no clue or no desire to change his schemes. 

 

Yes, solid OL and RB group. But Keller couldn't block to save his life. Brad Smith, Chansi Suckey and David Clowney were all starting WRs at some point in the season on that "pretty good team Rex inherited". League worse rookie QB is Rex inherited. 

 

Jenks force was for 7 games out of 32, hardly to write home about. Ellis was washed up and never lived up to his expectations even in his prime. But Rex managed to get the best out of him. Harris was a tackling machine that is a huge liability on passing downs and still can't cover TEs. Thomas & Pace were good (average), I'll give u that. But Devito and Pouha were Rex's product. Mangina never started them, never trusted them. Leonhard, Scott and Braylon were brought in by Rex, not Tanny. Tanny was not a talent evaluator. Rex told him who he wanted (obvious ties with Leonhard n Scott, plus DCing against Braylon for yrs) and Tanny did it. 

 

Jets drafted Ducasse to take over Faneca. Didn't work out. It happens in the NFL. Rex drafted Hills. Didn't work out. Drafted Shonn n Sanchez. Worked for a lil bit. Can't blame Rex for not trying. We don't have a HoF QB that can mask every little mistake. Besides that, Rex couldn't change much in the FA cuz we had to pay out massive deals to the big 4 (Revis, Harris, Mangold and Brick) along with Pace, Bart, Cro and Santonio. Mangini had the luxury of having the big 4 on rookie deals, yet unsuccessful with a FHoF QB. Rex had a leagues worse rookie QB. Mangini missed the playoffs. Rex rung some bells...twice. 

 

So yeah, Rex inherited crap from Mangini.

[j4jets]

why not,  hes by far the best Defensive coach in the NFL  just for that we have to keep rex.   and the player that are not on IR love him.   look how hard they play for him, when healthy. 

 

Fixed it. You're welcome. 

[ebonix]

Yeah, Rex's teams always can stop the other offense; EXCEPT near the red zone , when they have to. With out the Revis and Cromartie

team of 2 years ago--- our pass defense is the pits.

[j4jets]

Bruce Arians, injuries galore, 12th string QB, star receiver not what he was, team is still relevant.  Bellichick, freaking matt cassel as your starter and you still go 11-5.  Buffalo, a jag at QB an injuries galore at RB, haning in there.  Cleveland, horrid QBing, still hanging in there.

 

There are tons of coaches who with large gaping holes in their team find a way to cobble together a decent season.  As soon as the hof CB and all pro CB's disapperaned and the oline and r game suffered this team has gone into full tank.

 

 

Belichick is horrendous without Brady. Cassel played well for that one yr cuz DCs had a few snaps of video on him. When they figured him out, he was terrible. Belichick missed the playoffs without Brady. Buffalo has a game manager at QB and an excellent D. Cleveland ran out its luck (haven't u seen NFL lately?). Arizona also has an excellent D. Their luck is also running its course, especially when u beat the Rams 12-6. 

 

Jets had garbage at QB n WR (until the Braylon trade) in 2009. They made it to the AFCCG. The teams u mentioned above, do they have a league worse QB?No, cuz he belongs to NY (pick either one). 

[j4jets]

Yeah, Rex's teams always can stop the other offense; EXCEPT near the red zone , when they have to. With out the Revis and Cromartie

team of 2 years ago--- our pass defense is the pits.

 

Wouldn't it be if we had no-namers starting at CB picked up off the streets? Our top 3 of the top 4 CBs played 3 games between them (Milliner 3, Dexter 0, Patterson N/A). And that too after we already had one of the weakest CB position that Idzik insisted on not improving by being cheap, especially when thats where Rex's bread and butter lies. 

[Warfish]

Throwing Rex away cause he's not an offensive genius is like trading Revis cause he's not a QB. . 

 

It's funny Bit, you keep saying you're not for Rex to be retained, then you keep making posts which are clear-cut "Rex Should Be Retained!" arguments.

 

Are you really trying to stake your position on both sides?

 

Because it's pretty clear, honestly, that if Bitonti was hired tomorrow to replace Idzik, Rex Ryan would be extended, not fired.

 

You may as well embrace it brofist, because you're posts clearly show that's how you feel, mushy toss off coda about it "being time" or not.

[jetgreen13]

Good. If Idzik were to be retained it would suck any optimism I could have for 2015.

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well said..

cut bait & start fresh..

[FTL Jet Fan]

Please be true, because i dont see it happening.

[#27TheDominator]

Wouldn't it be if we had no-namers starting at CB picked up off the streets? Our top 3 of the top 4 CBs played 3 games between them (Milliner 3, Dexter 0, Patterson N/A). And that too after we already had one of the weakest CB position that Idzik insisted on not improving by being cheap, especially when thats where Rex's bread and butter lies. 

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Revis played 2 games in 2012 and they were #2 against the pass.  2009#1, (Lito Shepard! Drew Coleman and Donald Strickland started games) 2010#6, 2011#5.  In 2013 Cro fell off a cliff and they were #22.  This is first time they have truly sucked.  We all sat here during the FA period and said whatever FA they sign will be an improvement - even if they signed Cro back.  Unfortunately they did not sign anybody.  The idea that Rex can't stop the pass is misguided, wrong and soon to be accepted as gospel around here.

[Beerfish]

rex is great and what he does. his issue has always been lack of flexibility. if he doesn't have the pieces for his system, it falls apart. he is buddy's son through and through.

I won't disagree with that which in the end means he's not a good head coach just like his dad and he's about as good of a dc as his brother.

[#27TheDominator]

I won't disagree with that which in the end means he's not a good head coach just like his dad and he's about as good of a dc as his brother.

 

Never mind that I disagree with balls original point, but you keep saying he as about as good as his brother and they are twins and la di da.  His brother can't hold his jock.  Everybody knows it.  There is a reason Rex is the one that got the head job and ran that D in Baltimore.  His brother can barely hold a job. 

[Jolot]

Reason #2 I can't wait for the season to be over.....the end to all this speculation and theory-crafting on the GM and Head Coach spots.

With that said, I hope people are not sleeping on the idea that Idzik could be fired and Rex retained. It's far more possible that I think anyone presumes it is.

warfish, I agree ..its terrifying but I've posted this many times ..don't put this past Woody, especially if we somehow win the next 2

[Beerfish]

Never mind that I disagree with balls original point, but you keep saying he as about as good as his brother and they are twins and la di da.  His brother can't hold his jock.  Everybody knows it.  There is a reason Rex is the one that got the head job and ran that D in Baltimore.  His brother can barely hold a job. 

Yeah rex getting the job is not a great endoresment since he is a terrible head coach.  Rex has 100% proven the last couple of years that he is no better than his brother.  without premium talent both of these guys are average.  Our pass defense, in a passing league has been atrocious the last two years.   Both guys get results with great players that fit their scheme, both are suspect iof they have to put up with anythign less, like a lot of D coaches.

[munchmemory]

warfish, I agree ..its terrifying but I've posted this many times ..don't put this past Woody, especially if we somehow win the next 2

Since they need the win to keep the number one spot, I get the feeling that the Pats are going to destroy us on sunday.  This embarrassment will finally put an end to all this "Rex/Idzik is staying "nonsense.

[billo83]

got rid of a bunch of deadwood, made a reasonable trade of Revis, drafed sheldon richardson. Has left the team with a of cap room. did not fall for the old 'pay thorugh the nose' for medium free agents like DRC. The guy botched his fa signings and last years draft was terrible so if he goes it will not be without cause but the new gm will be stepping into a decent situaiton.

Some good young players, lots of cap space and hopefully a totally purged coaching staff.

IMO, his handling of the CB and WR positions by itself was a firable offense, let alone his crappy drafting and FA.

Also, This clean up of the cap is a little overrated around here. Most of that was from the no brainer cuts of the terrible 3 and not resigning the likes of Shone Greene. Most of the people around here could of done that.

As far as not over spending, he's the anti Tanny and doesn't spend enough to the detriment of the team. Neither extreme is good, you need a balance.

[Jolot]

Since they need the win to keep the number one spot, I get the feeling that the Pats are going to destroy us on sunday. This embarrassment will finally put an end to all this "Rex/Idzik is staying "nonsense.

agreed I think we lose by 2 td's minimum..but by some miracle we finish 5-11..,look out Rexs media army may very well convince Woody to bring him back

[#27TheDominator]

Yeah rex getting the job is not a great endoresment since he is a terrible head coach.  Rex has 100% proven the last couple of years that he is no better than his brother.  without premium talent both of these guys are average.  Our pass defense, in a passing league has been atrocious the last two years.   Both guys get results with great players that fit their scheme, both are suspect iof they have to put up with anythign less, like a lot of D coaches.

 

ZZZzz.  This is almost as good as the tattoo argument.  I'm not sure you pay enough attention to his brother and I'm not sure what you consider premium talent.  False statements: Rex can't coach pass D.  Rob is as good as Rex. 

 

It's funny Bit, you keep saying you're not for Rex to be retained, then you keep making posts which are clear-cut "Rex Should Be Retained!" arguments.

 

Are you really trying to stake your position on both sides?

 

Because it's pretty clear, honestly, that if Bitonti was hired tomorrow to replace Idzik, Rex Ryan would be extended, not fired.

 

You may as well embrace it brofist, because you're posts clearly show that's how you feel, mushy toss off coda about it "being time" or not.

 

I don't want to speak for him, but I think Bit feels the way that I do.  We think Rex can coach, but he is flawed and is past his due date with the Jets. At this point I don't think it is really worth discussing because he IS getting fired, but I think he is likely to find another job and success in the league.  Idzik does not seem likely to do the same. 

[PatsFanTX]

No one that's who. Which is why when we hear about Rex being a genius on the Dside of the ball we see it is flat out not true at all. Give him 1st roudners on D for 7 or 8 years plus a hof corner or two (see his roster in Baltimore as well) and he looks good. Take any of that away and he is bleow average to sucks.

Great coaches find a way to get a lot out of rosters that are not littered with top players. Overrated ones like ours fall on their ass immeditaley.

Damn, you summed it up perfectly about Rex Ryan's skills as a HC.

Well said.

[munchmemory]

agreed I think we lose by 2 td's minimum..but by some miracle we finish 5-11..,look out Rexs media army may very well convince Woody to bring him back

I'll shoot myself.  I've been a pissed off fan for three years now watching this garbage and Rex on the sidelines.  Enough already.

 

If Brady and company get hot, look for Belicheat to run up the score.  Big.

[billo83]

Rex is the same as his twin. We've seen this the last few years and will see if if and when he becomes a dc again. Give him great players in most or some key positions and he'll look pretty good. Give him some major deficiences and his D will suck, just like Rob ryan.

Are you telling me Rex won't get offers as a DC the minute he gets fired? Not only would he receive offers but he'd be the first one approached.

Please tell me what DC would have success with the garbage talent in the secondary that Idz has provided in a passing league?

[slats]

Yeah rex getting the job is not a great endoresment since he is a terrible head coach. Rex has 100% proven the last couple of years that he is no better than his brother. without premium talent both of these guys are average. Our pass defense, in a passing league has been atrocious the last two years. Both guys get results with great players that fit their scheme, both are suspect iof they have to put up with anythign less, like a lot of D coaches.

What Rex has had to work with in the secondary these last two years has been much worse than merely not premium talent. He's got starting CBs who shouldn't be anything more than #4 CBs in the NFL - if that. When he has NFL caliber players -which should be a reasonable expectation- he's had very good pass defenses.

He's gonna be fired as the team's head coach, and at this point, he should be. But to say that the guy doesn't know what he's doing on defense is ridiculous.

[56mehl56]

Yes, solid OL and RB group. But Keller couldn't block to save his life. Brad Smith, Chansi Suckey and David Clowney were all starting WRs at some point in the season on that "pretty good team Rex inherited". League worse rookie QB is Rex inherited. 

 

Jenks force was for 7 games out of 32, hardly to write home about. Ellis was washed up and never lived up to his expectations even in his prime. But Rex managed to get the best out of him. Harris was a tackling machine that is a huge liability on passing downs and still can't cover TEs. Thomas & Pace were good (average), I'll give u that. But Devito and Pouha were Rex's product. Mangina never started them, never trusted them. Leonhard, Scott and Braylon were brought in by Rex, not Tanny. Tanny was not a talent evaluator. Rex told him who he wanted (obvious ties with Leonhard n Scott, plus DCing against Braylon for yrs) and Tanny did it. 

 

Jets drafted Ducasse to take over Faneca. Didn't work out. It happens in the NFL. Rex drafted Hills. Didn't work out. Drafted Shonn n Sanchez. Worked for a lil bit. Can't blame Rex for not trying. We don't have a HoF QB that can mask every little mistake. Besides that, Rex couldn't change much in the FA cuz we had to pay out massive deals to the big 4 (Revis, Harris, Mangold and Brick) along with Pace, Bart, Cro and Santonio. Mangini had the luxury of having the big 4 on rookie deals, yet unsuccessful with a FHoF QB. Rex had a leagues worse rookie QB. Mangini missed the playoffs. Rex rung some bells...twice. 

 

So yeah, Rex inherited crap from Mangini.

Sanchez was drafted by Rex and had a pretty good year his rookie season(2009) certainly not worst rookie QB by far.  So Ellis was washed up , but Rex got the most of out him - I see. Harris was not a huge liability earlier in his career. You seem to be applying the images of these players in they're final years with the Jets and applying them to 2009 . Yes  Rex was behind the Leonard and Scott signings and they were good moves at the time as they helped the D learn Rex's system , the problem is in future years Rex stuck with them for far too long. Braylon and Holmes were signed because as you you said they played well against him in Balt , certainly not because he envisioned what they actually could or couldn't do in our offense.  Bottom line Rex was in pretty good position to succeed in 2009-2010 , if his teams come out prepared in those AFCCG's they may have even went to the SB. Its funny you say Mangini was unsuccessful with a FHOF QB , if Farve doesn't get hurt that season , the Jets were truly in good position but that's Mangini's fault, yet when the Jets secondary is saddled with injuries this year its the GM's fault.

[bitonti]

It's funny Bit, you keep saying you're not for Rex to be retained, then you keep making posts which are clear-cut "Rex Should Be Retained!" arguments.

 

Are you really trying to stake your position on both sides?

 

Because it's pretty clear, honestly, that if Bitonti was hired tomorrow to replace Idzik, Rex Ryan would be extended, not fired.

 

You may as well embrace it brofist, because you're posts clearly show that's how you feel, mushy toss off coda about it "being time" or not.

 

I like REX but he seems totally burnt out at this job. That's my honest opinion. He needs to be fired as much for his sake as for the teams'.  I do think Rex does his job 10x better than Idzik does his job. There are at least some positives to Rex. there's no positives to Idzik.

[faba]

People have  a short memory- we got toasted last year on pass defense with Cromartie as one of the CB's.

[56mehl56]

Are you telling me Rex won't get offers as a DC the minute he gets fired? Not only would he receive offers but he'd be the first one approached.

Please tell me what DC would have success with the garbage talent in the secondary that Idz has provided in a passing league?

Think about the talent this D has. An extremely good Dline , 7-8 #1 picks on D. Good DC's change their schemes to fit the players they have not vice versa. It almost like Rex sticks to his schemes and when they don't work its like hey he doesn't have the CB's to play his scheme- no sh*t. Why can't he adapt , play more zone , don't go full out casino blitz on every 3rd down. Can he play Kyle Wilson less then 10 yards away from every wr he covers , Face it he's a one trick pony, when everything falls his way it looks great when he's forced to adapt - game over. The most overrated and overhyped coach I've seen in a long long time. 

[#27TheDominator]

Sanchez was drafted by Rex and had a pretty good year his rookie season(2009) certainly not worst rookie QB by far.  So Ellis was washed up , but Rex got the most of out him - I see. Harris was not a huge liability earlier in his career. You seem to be applying the images of these players in they're final years with the Jets and applying them to 2009 . Yes  Rex was behind the Leonard and Scott signings and they were good moves at the time as they helped the D learn Rex's system , the problem is in future years Rex stuck with them for far too long. Braylon and Holmes were signed because as you you said they played well against him in Balt , certainly not because he envisioned what they actually could or couldn't do in our offense.  Bottom line Rex was in pretty good position to succeed in 2009-2010 , if his teams come out prepared in those AFCCG's they may have even went to the SB. Its funny you say Mangini was unsuccessful with a FHOF QB , if Farve doesn't get hurt that season , the Jets were truly in good position but that's Mangini's fault, yet when the Jets secondary is saddled with injuries this year its the GM's fault.

 

I love how Dexter McDougle being injured is now just bad luck.  What rational GM goes into a season planning to start a 3rd round rookie that missed his senior year at CB?  I still have hope for the kid, but good camp reports and being a reasonable replacement for Cromartie are two different things. 

[slats]

People have  a short memory- we got toasted last year on pass defense with Cromartie as one of the CB's.

Cromartie was allegedly (apparently?) hurt last year, and graded out as one of the worst CBs in the NFL as a result. He wasn't the same guy who took over as the #1 for Rex In 2012, when they finished with the league's #2 passing defense.

[#27TheDominator]

Think about the talent this D has. An extremely good Dline , 7-8 #1 picks on D. Good DC's change their schemes to fit the players they have not vice versa. It almost like Rex sticks to his schemes and when they don't work its like hey he doesn't have the CB's to play his scheme- no sh*t. Why can't he adapt , play more zone , don't go full out casino blitz on every 3rd down. Can he play Kyle Wilson less then 10 yards away from every wr he covers , Face it he's a one trick pony, when everything falls his way it looks great when he's forced to adapt - game over. The most overrated and overhyped coach I've seen in a long long time. 

 

 

Yeah, that Coples at LB is all because Rex doesn't want to get the best 11 on the field.  The story that Rex is still stubbornly playing nothing but man is beyond moronic.  The very first play of the Pats game - Antonio Allen blew his zone giving up a 70 yard TD, but Rex ONLY plays man.  They have been playing a TON of zone all year.   Watch the ******* game and stop repeating sh*t you read on here.

[56mehl56]

People have  a short memory- we got toasted last year on pass defense with Cromartie as one of the CB's.

But the Rex lovers will tell you but he was lacking a OLB or QB or Oline or the drumline was out of tune , its always an excuse for him. s I said in another post we seem to always be plying the what if game with Rex. If you asking those what questions constantly about your HC - the real what if question should be what if we had a better HC.

[munchmemory]

Think about the talent this D has. An extremely good Dline , 7-8 #1 picks on D. Good DC's change their schemes to fit the players they have not vice versa. It almost like Rex sticks to his schemes and when they don't work its like hey he doesn't have the CB's to play his scheme- no sh*t. Why can't he adapt , play more zone , don't go full out casino blitz on every 3rd down. Can he play Kyle Wilson less then 10 yards away from every wr he covers , Face it he's a one trick pony, when everything falls his way it looks great when he's forced to adapt - game over. The most overrated and overhyped coach I've seen in a long long time. 

[faba]

Rex defense let Tim Tebow win a game - that in itself is cause for dismissal-hah

[56mehl56]

I love how Dexter McDougle being injured is now just bad luck.  What rational GM goes into a season planning to start a 3rd round rookie that missed his senior year at CB?  I still have hope for the kid, but good camp reports and being a reasonable replacement for Cromartie are two different things. 

 

He had a friggen shoulder injury - its not like he was a QB . Guys get drafted all the time with injuries far worse than this. Its unlucky he got injured period. 

[faba]

My point is last two years pass defense has been bad-blame it on Rex and Idzik not only one of them

[56mehl56]

Yeah, that Coples at LB is all because Rex doesn't want to get the best 11 on the field.  The story that Rex is still stubbornly playing nothing but man is beyond moronic.  The very first play of the Pats game - Antonio Allen blew his zone giving up a 70 yard TD, but Rex ONLY plays man.  They have been playing a TON of zone all year.   Watch the ******* game and stop repeating sh*t you read on here.

And the very last play of the Vikes game he dialed up a cover none full out blitz . For every example of zone play you can point out I can give you two of one on one and full out overload blitzes.  

 

And the Coples problem is 100% created by Rex, he wanted him desperately, guaranteeing him he'd be drafted by the Jets.  Problem is Rex is in a conundrum, Coples is better suited to the 4-3 Rexy doesn't like to play that as a base , so using that example is a poor defense of Mr teflon.