56mehl56 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 i wish all the rex haters in this thread would judge idzik by the same set of standards. Idzik has had 2 years , Rex has had 6 big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 I'm enjoying this latest iteration of the heads-Rex-wins-tails-you-lose narrative. If Rex gets another head-coaching job, it proves that he's a great coach, but if he ends up on TV instead, it's because he's betting on himself! Cool. I'm really enjoying the it's not enough that Rex gets fired, in order to validate my point of view he must never get another head coaching job again posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Cool. I'm really enjoying the it's not enough that Rex gets fired, in order to validate my point of view he must never get another head coaching job again posts. It's either that or Episode VII has to be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Rex's resume: -overall losing record as a HC -four non-winning seasons in a row -four non-playoff seasons in a row -zero division titles -zero conference championships -zero Super Bowl titles -overrated defense that got progressively worse over the years What owner in their right mind would hire a HC with that pathetic resume? Well lets look at BB's first 6 years 5 with the Browns and 1 with the Pats 1 winning season won 1 playoff game Big Whoop.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Cool. I'm really enjoying the it's not enough that Rex gets fired, in order to validate my point of view he must never get another head coaching job again posts. The point comes pre-validated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Idzik has had 2 years , Rex has had 6 big difference. Nothing Rex has ever done was as bad as the 2014 draft. that press conference he gave in the middle of the year was also shockingly bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Nothing Rex has ever done was as bad as the 2014 draft. that press conference he gave in the middle of the year was also shockingly bad. The 2014 draft is still an open book, we could still wind up with up to 6 starters from that draft ( Pryor/Amaro/Macdougle/IK/Reilly/Dozier/Evans). We've given Rex 6 years to prove what he's capable of - and we've watched the same mistakes, stubbornness, ,unprepardness as hallmarks of his reign , in addition we watched the team record continue on a downward spiral. Rex alone naming Sparano as his OC ranks right up there with anything Idzik has done . I don't care if Idzik is fired , but Rex needs to be fired. . And have you listened to Rex's press conferences for 6 years ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Nothing Rex has ever done was as bad as the 2014 draft. that press conference he gave in the middle of the year was also shockingly bad. http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=321122020 And no press conference in Jets history is in the same realm at the one that followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPBanBadPosters Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Nothing Rex has ever done was as bad as the 2014 draft. that press conference he gave in the middle of the year was also shockingly bad. This is a guest post by Matt Bitonti. Matt Bitonti is the Publisher of Draftdaddy.com and is the offensive line specialist for Footballguys.com. Well fellow Jets fans, another NFL draft, is in the books. Let’s hitchhike through these picks, shall we? Round 1: S Calvin Pryor, Louisville Pryor will be an instant starter right now and hopefully for 10+ years. At the risk of jinxing this player terribly, Pryor is possibly an all-time great pick; Rodney Harrison or Ronnie Lott are not completely unrealistic expectations. Yes I know that’s a crazy prediction to make. But everyone I talked to raves about this player. He describes himself as fearless and it’s clear from the film that he’s an impact player. He can ball hawk, not strictly a run support player, and a huge upgrade over Dewan Landry or whoever they were planning to trot out there at safety. The Jets defense wasn’t actually elite last season. They got their sacks and were great against the run but how many times were they burned on third and real long? The Calvin Pryor selection is a direct response to that problem. Who else could they have taken? The only value WR the Jets could get day one was Brandin Cooks, and it’s hard to imagine a lineup with Cooks and Jeremy Kerley on the field at the same time. I personally might have selected Darqueze Dennard but Dennard might not have started as a rookie (more on that when we discuss the McDougle pick). Pryor will start, and that’s a draft pick that has more impact. A quick word about the value of the safety position, there were four safeties in round one but only three quarterbacks. The Cardinals trade down and subsequent pick of Deone Buchanon seemed like a pouty response to Pryor going two slots earlier. The Packers took Hasean Clinton-Dix and the Niners took Jimmy Ward, one year after taking Eric Reid in a similar spot. Safeties are at a premium these days, and with all the changes to the game emphasizing passing, it makes sense that safeties would go up in value. It’s also clear that Pryor was graded out higher than most players left on the board, as many respected sources had him as a top 15 pick. The Jets have only had two drafts in the John Idzik era but a hallmark of his selections in round one is “someone who could have gone higher.” Round 2: TE Jace Amero, Texas A&M There was a point during the draft process when Jace Amero was basically a first round lock. There are many examples from the board where Jets fans were hoping all spring he’d be the pick at 18. To get this player at 49 is enormous value. Amero fell to round two for various reasons (not running an elite 40 yard dash is one possible weight on his stock), but he’s a huge target who creates match-up issues against linebackers and safeties, and can immediately upgrade the passing attack. As smart-but-shadowy message board poster out, the fact Amero came from the Air Raid offense (same as Geno Smith) and produced as a Y position WR out of that system (basically the Wes Welker role) is a huge reason to like the pick. Obviously the Jets aren’t running the Air Raid but if they believe that Geno is the future (and passing on Manziel is an endorsement of sorts), having a tight end who is raised up in the same concepts can only help. Amero might not start right away over Jeff Cumberland but he will play double tights for sure and can contribute a ton as a rookie, motioning out as a receiver. This player will have to learn how to be an NFL quality blocker but that’s fixable and often the case with college tight ends. Round 3: CB Dexter McDougle, Maryland Jets fans went bananas about McDougle pick, in large part because they never heard of him. Also because we are Jets fans and we have to panic about something during the draft. But make no mistake, this player had buzz. Gil Brandt said he was a probable third round pick, based on his pro day, where McDougle vertical leapt something ridiculous like 37 inches. McDougle is a great athlete, who has been unlucky with injuries. The “good” news is all his injuries were upper body stuff (collarbone, shoulder, hand) and can still run like the wind. McDougle is a willing tackler and most of these injuries occurred while he was throwing himself at ball carriers. This is an injury-upside pick where the guy’s value could have been higher than it was, in theory, if he were healthy. Note that the Patriots basically made the same type of pick in round one. If a team is going to make this type of speculative reach its better they do it in round three than round one. It should also be noted that the third round has been a wasteland for this franchise in recent years (BJ Askew, the Boar Hunter) and it’s almost like they treated it as an early fourth rounder, which is fine by me. Fans shouldn’t expect McDougle to start in year one, as the Jets are paying Dimitri Patterson pretty well this year. This is why Darqueze Dennard didn’t make quite as much sense in round one as Calvin Pryor; the Jets are looking at a lineup of Dee Milliner, Patterson and Kyle Wilson for week 1. As other message board posters have pointed out, McDougle kinda sorta looks like Milliner in the face, which is a useless but fun corollary. But long term, McDougle has real potential to start in Rex’s system and it wasn’t as terrible a reach as some fans are making it out to be. Round 4: WR Jalen Saunders, Oklahoma As board guru out, Saunders is a dynamic punt returner. That’s important. Kerley has been doing that job when healthy and that’s a terrible way to run an impact special team position like PR. The guy who runs a 90 yard return can’t be busting his rear on offense too and be expected to make a huge play. Keep that returner fresh and maybe he breaks a big play. Some might say PR is not a “starter” position and to that I say don’t be a dummy. Saunders “starts” as a PR day one, and maybe he’s a replacement for Kerley on real offense someday over the rainbow. Or maybe he’s just an awesome punt returner and that’s fine. Round 4: WR Shaq Evans, UCLA Evans is a real interesting prospect, with upside to be a starter one day. Evans was a four star prep out of high school who transferred from Notre Dame to UCLA. This is not an uncommon route as Joseph Fauria made the same exact move on his way to the pros. After sitting out a year, Evans was the Bruins’ best receiver until he graduated. Evans is not perfect with his hands but he’s got pro attributes (6’1”, 210, 4.5 40 yard dash) and known as a hard worker. Evans is known as a deep threat as many of his catches went for over twenty yards. Evans probably needs time to develop the finer parts of being a pro wide receiver but he should be a good bet for the number four spot on the depth chart, and could overtake the perpetually disappointing Stephen Hill. Round 4: OG Dakota Dozier, Furman Prediction time: Dozier is probably the guy who replaces Willie Colon at right guard after next year. I don’t have much faith in either Will Campbell or Oday Aboushi, it’s safe to say that Dozier is a better prospect than both of them. Without waxing too poetic about a player whose obvious nickname is “Bull”, this kid is a mauler. A college tackle who will convert to guard, his stock in trade is getting out of his stance quickly and getting to the second level. Dozier does a nice job maintaining and finishing his block, and he’s had a number of pancake blocks over the course of his career. People might think Furman is a “small” school but Dozier played well against LSU and has further experience against top athletes through his all-star games. Nice pick who will sit a year but has actual starting potential as early as next season. Side note about all the round four picks, they were all at the Reese’s Senior Bowl down in Mobile, Alabama and all had really strong showings. It’s a smart strategy to go after the underclassmen early and use the fourth round on the solid but not amazing Senior Bowl performers. The Jets obvious had a plan when they were in Mobile and the fourth round is where it all came together. Round 5: ILB Jeremiah George, Iowa State George will start his career as a backup, behind Demario Davis and David Harris. However, George has real starting potential as the team has to be targeting David Harris big contract after this season. It’s hard to imagine a scenario where Harris (who was inherited from the Tannenbaum regime) is still here in 2015. It’s also hard to imagine a scenario where special teams dynamo Nick Bellore is starting on real defense. George is known as a thumper, and comes from a Cyclones program that has produced several decent ILB’s in recent years (A.J. Klein, Alvin Bowen). George is another explosive athlete with a 38.5 inch vertical leap and 4.66 40 yard dash at pro day. This is another pick with actual starting potential, and if you are keeping track, I said that about the six other picks so far. If the Jets can get even three or four starters out of this crop it will be remembered as a great draft. Seven starters would be moving at ludicrous speed. Round 6: CB Brandon Dixon, Northwest Missouri State Dixon is a raw athlete (former junior college transfer) who is probably going to start out on special teams, where he has experience contributing in college. Dixon has a ton of work to do to develop into a real NFL cornerback, but he reportedly has the work ethic to make the transition. Dixon doesn’t have blazing speed but his 4.4 40 yard dash at Indianapolis is certainly fast enough for the job. It’s not crazy to see this pick as McDougle insurance, the Jets need an eventual starter to come out of this draft, they hope between McDougle and Dixon they will get at least one. One would have to be a psychic to know which of these guys will make it but it’s safe to predict (or hope) that at least one won’t fail. Round 6: WR Quincy Enunwa, Nebraska Enunwa is a similar pick to Shaq Evans, in that he’s got professional size and speed, he’s a deep threat (99 yard touchdown against Georgia in the bowl game) and he looks good “getting off the bus” as they say. Like Evans, Enunwa is far from a finished product and he especially needs to work on mastery of the route tree; it’s not all going to be Go routes. Enunwa is known as a capable run blocker and an all around physical player. The thinking behind the pick is sound, it is a position of need and the Jets are clearly believers in the buckshot approach in this draft: take more than one at the same position of need hope at least one pans out. It would not be completely surprising to see this player on the practice squad, as he might be too raw to contribute this year (and unlikely to get poached when all he can do is run bomb routes). Round 6 DE/OLB IK Enemkpali, Louisiana Tech Enemkpali is an interesting pick. The Jets clearly need someone to replace Calvin Pace and backup Antwan Barnes, should the latter get hurt again. Enemkpali is probably not going to do all that in year one but unlike some of the other day three picks, this player might actually make the team. Enemkpali can contribute at special teams and as a situational pass rusher, as he learns the coverage aspects of standing up in Rex Ryan’s defensive system. He is not an amazing athlete (4.8 40 yard dash at pro day) but he’s known as a tenacious overachieverwith a high motor. Round 6 QB Tajh Boyd, Clemson This pick was met with great dismay by the fans, but I don’t see the problem. This isn’t Dave Yovanovitz. He wasn’t drafted as a favor to Rex’s son Seth (the walk on linebacker). Boyd is a draft able quarterback with big game experience against ACC and SEC foes. He plays well in these games (especially the LSU bowl game in 2013). He can make the odd play with his legs. In theory, Boyd can be a back up and compete with Matt Simms for that third spot. At this point in the draft they aren’t necessarily looking for guys who will start right away, they are looking for guys who can make the team better in the long run. All of these sixth rounders can do that. Or they can wash out, but either way these are viable risks at this point in the process. Round 7 OLB Trevor Reilly, Utah Once upon a time, this player was rated as a first round prospect by Baltimore’s hair helmet hero, Mel Kiper. While that projection was probably overly hopeful, because of his age (26), Reilly had a really big year as a senior and ended up with a round three/four grade by NFL Draft Scout, who called him “surprisingly nimble”. Long term, Reilly could be in that mix for backup DE/OLB with Enemkpali and in the short term, he will hope to make this team as a special team player (also like Enemkpali). Notice the trend with the Jets draft, after rounds one and two: taking more than one athlete at the same position, and hoping at least one of the picks will hit. Overall this draft class has huge potential and the team did a great job loading up with talent. Maybe one day, in the near future, the Jets will be the type of team where their late round picks don’t automatically make the roster. If that happens it will be because of the success of drafts like this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Cool. I'm really enjoying the it's not enough that Rex gets fired, in order to validate my point of view he must never get another head coaching job again posts. Me too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 If that happens it will be because of the success of drafts like this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo69 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Wah it's all Rex's fault wah! Why do we even have a general manager and multi million dollar scouting department amd front office of the coach is the deciding to trade for Tebow and give Vick and Patterson $6 mil combined guaranteed when Revis and desean Jackson are available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo69 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Me too! Don't you know? Wrecks traded for Tebow just so he could never play him or start him and he drafted Stephen Hill even though he publicly said he wanted no part of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Don't you know? Wrecks traded for Tebow just so he could never play him or start him and he drafted Stephen Hill even though he publicly said he wanted no part of him. I do know that, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 what does John Fox know about offense? What does Pete Carroll know about offense? There are plenty of successful teams with defensive HCs. all of you guys who hate Rex, or whatever, don't blind yourself to the HC market. It's supply and demand and these guys are in short supply. Im not saying Rex is the best ever and should stay forever. What I am saying is he will have a HC job waiting for him, if he wants it. If he doesn't he will take Woody's money to not coach and ESPN's money to be a loudmouth, get back into the HC market in 2016. If you guys think Rex will never be a HC again... ill take the other side of that bet. They know enough that you need to pass effectively to score points in order to win. If you're saying there may be another owner silly enough to buy Ryan's nonsense, fair to note his dad and even Herman Edwards got 2nd jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Guys are already dropping Matt Ryan in my fantasy leagues and we don't even play keeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Nothing Rex has ever done was as bad as the 2014 draft. that press conference he gave in the middle of the year was also shockingly bad. As bad as a HC presser telling reporters he can answers questions walking backwards and sideways if he wants? http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/08/rex-ryans-bizarre-meltdown-while-being-grilled-by-the-media Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 I'm enjoying this latest iteration of the heads-Rex-wins-tails-you-lose narrative. If Rex gets another head-coaching job, it proves that he's a great coach, but if he ends up on TV instead, it's because he's betting on himself! The flip side is that if he does get a job, people will say it's just because whoever hired him is an idiot. I think it's awesome that at this point, the way to get passion out of a Jets fan is to ask him "Who's more horrible, the coach or the GM?" The only way for us all to be happy is if Rex never gets another job, and the next HC we hire is Kotite-bad.... Go Jets...??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 He'd be a perfect fit there. I bet they'd win the NFCS easily next season if they hired Rex. Considering 8-8 wins the division id agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Cool. I'm really enjoying the it's not enough that Rex gets fired, in order to validate my point of view he must never get another head coaching job again posts. He'll get another HCing gig there certainly are enough ridiculously run franchises in this league that stay at mediocre to bad on a historic basis ...so yeah Rex very well might get another HC spot I think it will be funny to see because its going to be the SOS and we've already seen all the blowhard has to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Nothing Rex has ever done was as bad as the 2014 draft. that press conference he gave in the middle of the year was also shockingly bad. you mean the sleeper "Play like a JET" this team dont quit speach?? I was embarrassed to be a fan that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 It wouldn't suprise me if he ended up in Miami if Philbin is fired apparently Ross loves Rex. Wheteher that is true or not I have no idea but there is a lot of talk down here of either Harbaugh or Rex. I hate the Dolphins!! Hmm Play like a Sea Mammal.. I like it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Unless the GM gets fired, Rex is never even going to be considered. Dimitroff cut his teeth with the Patriots and Belichick. There is absolutely zero % chance this happens unless the owner makes Rex the DE facto GM as well. Stranger things have happened, Mangini in Cleveland, but unless Atlanta wants to guarantee their suck for several more seasons, no chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Unless the GM gets fired, Rex is never even going to be considered. Dimitroff cut his teeth with the Patriots and Belichick. There is absolutely zero % chance this happens unless the owner makes Rex the DE facto GM as well. Stranger things have happened, Mangini in Cleveland, but unless Atlanta wants to guarantee their suck for several more seasons, no chance. Mel Blanc is not hiring a clown Falcons Def has very little talent...Rexey needs about 7 #1 draft picks as starters to make it a go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 So when Rex doesn't even get a sniff at one of these 10 or so job openings what's going to be the excuse here?..just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 So when Rex doesn't even get a sniff at one of these 10 or so job openings what's going to be the excuse here?..just wondering. That he's smart to sit back and wait for that big _______ job to open up, and that people allllll over the league think he's great, but maybe a little too great for their franchise. But, oh man, they'll be shaking in their boots if he ends up in their division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted December 20, 2014 Author Share Posted December 20, 2014 So when Rex doesn't even get a sniff at one of these 10 or so job openings what's going to be the excuse here?..just wondering. I guess you'll have to define sniff first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Rexey will get another HC job in 4 minutes you watch!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 If you already have a qb, and the falcons do, and your defense sucks it figures to hire Rex. Why would they do that? So the defense can be in the bottom-half of the NFL in points allowed, like the Jets have been the last 3 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 That he's smart to sit back and wait for that big _______ job to open up, and that people allllll over the league think he's great, but maybe a little too great for their franchise. But, oh man, they'll be shaking in their boots if he ends up in their division.yup , something about double dipping, all that espn money and the next John Madden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Why would they do that? So the defense can be in the bottom-half of the NFL in points allowed, like the Jets have been the last 3 years? a good qb may cover up one or two of those 4th quarter defensive collapses...but that would get old quick in Rexs world...can't be winning those 35-34 games...what would that do to his D stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Even as a DC, his act is not gonna fly. He and his brother have both spoiled that well. Between the 2 of them they have pissed off a lot of coaches, GMS, and franchises. The Jints need a DC,and there is no way in hell they would bring him in. Nobody wants an assistant who's a total loose cannon. And especially one that threw three OCs under the bus to save his own ass. DOn't think that goes over really big in the fraternity of coaches. And worse than even that,the RYan defenses wilt when it matters.The "defensive genius thing only works if they have superior talent-Revis, Ware, Ngata. Oh, you're gonna blitz again? Quick hit over the middle, blitz gets beat again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebonix Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 100% correct. After a 3-13 season... Rex is no hot commodity. The League knows he's just a bull.. artist. The talking heads on sports Tv always praise him. But he's really not done much here. The early success was with Mangini players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Why would they do that? So the defense can be in the bottom-half of the NFL in points allowed, like the Jets have been the last 3 years? And they better get some Rb's because the new OC who completely controls the O will ignore the passing game and rely on Sjax and Devonta Freeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 What no one is considering us that their nay only be 2 openings. Now I'm sure there may be some surprises but there's not gonna be a 25% turnover. Hell if Harbaugh goes to Michigan, Rex can unite with his Ole buddy Sporano. Good Times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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