Dinamite Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 It will be good for jets to clean house, but it is fair to say that idzik did some good things. Analyzing positives and negatives of Idziks tenure. Good Sheldon Ivory Cap space Decker Marcus williams Potentially good or adequate Harvin Amaro Pryor Maybe (can't say it is bad yet) Millner Aboushi Mcdougle Shaw Evans (a stretch) Bad Draft record Ignoring needs such as wr in draft and cb in fa Some fa pickups (eg goodson, Patterson ) Apparently creating bad environment where staff comments on moves and non moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinamite Posted December 28, 2014 Author Share Posted December 28, 2014 I neglected to include Geno. I limed the pick because I think it is a good idea to gamble on a potential qb who was rated as possibly the best qb in that draft class. But it was very bad to insist in playing him when he was not ready or just not a good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Move Milliner from maybe to bad. You don't trade the best player in the NFL at a position and then turn around and use the draft pick you got for him on his replacement. Absolutely asinine, but I don't fully blame Idzik for that, as the move screams Rex Ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Move Milliner from maybe to bad. You don't trade the best player in the NFL at a position and then turn around and use the draft pick you got for him on his replacement. Absolutely asinine, but I don't fully blame Idzik for that, as the move screams Rex Ryan. That's not what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 That's not what happened. Oh, my mistake. They used an even slightly earlier pick to replace him. That makes it so much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Oh, my mistake. They used an even slightly earlier pick to replace him. That makes it so much better. Not saying it was a tremendous pick. I agree, Idzik is a fuxcktard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Being overreactive Jets fans, should we add Chris Owusu to the 'good' column yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 So Idzik's very best moves are a DT who everyone believes was a Rex selection, and a RB who doesn't even average 55 yards a game. Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 The cap space moves were obvious. Giving him credit for that is like a tournament where everybody wins a trophy. Decker and Harvin should both be moved down a level too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 As I see it ... when Idzik had little cap room etc, he put out a team that got to 8-8. With a lot more cap room & freedom to sign guys he wants, he goes 4-12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 All Idzik needed to do was resign Cromartie and he would still have a job, He was too stupid and should be fired for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinamite Posted December 28, 2014 Author Share Posted December 28, 2014 The cap space moves were obvious. Giving him credit for that is like a tournament where everybody wins a trophy. Decker and Harvin should both be moved down a level too. Decker had a good not great year given shaky we play. 74 receptions, 5th and 962 yards. He will be good piece moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Decker had a good not great year given shaky we play. 74 receptions, 5th and 962 yards. He will be good piece moving forward. "A good piece" is quite a step down from where people had him pegged before the season. Idzik signed him a #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdhc Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 "A good piece" is quite a step down from where people had him pegged before the season. Idzik signed him a #1. He got number 2 money and noone expected him to be calvin johnson, he dropped more than I would have liked but was mostly good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 He got number 2 money and noone expected him to be calvin johnson, he dropped more than I would have liked but was mostly good. He was the 26th highest paid receiver this season. How is that #2 money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 He got number 2 money and noone expected him to be calvin johnson, he dropped more than I would have liked but was mostly good. stop with the factz! they hurt my tiny brain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 He was the 26th highest paid receiver this season. How is that #2 money? Can you name these 25 "true" #1 WRs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Review Good= Everything Rex did Bad= Everything Idzik did Just ask CBS they will confirm this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OuttaSightPF Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 It will be good for jets to clean house, but it is fair to say that idzik did some good things. Analyzing positives and negatives of Idziks tenure. Good Sheldon Ivory Cap space Decker Marcus williams Potentially good or adequate Harvin Amaro Pryor Maybe (can't say it is bad yet) Millner Aboushi Mcdougle Shaw Evans (a stretch) Bad Draft record Ignoring needs such as wr in draft and cb in fa Some fa pickups (eg goodson, Patterson ) Apparently creating bad environment where staff comments on moves and non moves. I really think Pryor is the center piece to everything that will happen over the next 48 hours. If Pryor puts up a pro bowl caliber season we probably still only win four games, but everyone would focus on Richardson and Pryor... And Milliners grade being an incomplete. Changes perception drastically. Instead Pryor (who may develop into a top safety) was obviously not a 1st round caliber player, Milliner is an injury case, Geno was a high 2nd rounder that is a bust. Look at all the jobs Beckham saved. Pryor also made Rex look really bad because you know Rex was THRILLED to draft that kid. I'm sure Woody watched Rex down a whole case of M&M's in celebration after that Pryor pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostOfGlennFoley Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 All Idzik needed to do was resign Cromartie and he would still have a job, He was too stupid and should be fired for it. That's really what it boils down to. A man with a surfeit of cap space settled for an talented yet injury-prone Sophomore and a batsh*t crazy Journeyman to man the most vital position in the scheme that his coach uses. I like a decent portion of the moves that Idzik made, but that alone is a fireable offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Can you name these 25 "true" #1 WRs? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=NFL+2014+top+nfl+salaries+receiver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Move Milliner from maybe to bad. You don't trade the best player in the NFL at a position and then turn around and use the draft pick you got for him on his replacement. Absolutely asinine, but I don't fully blame Idzik for that, as the move screams Rex Ryan. Of course u do. Revis required a large contract AFTER a major knee surgery Jets didn't want to commit to that not knowing what would happen in the future BESIDES the fact that Revis would have walked away from the Jets leaving them nothing. Now Milliner may not be a great pickup, but the idea of trading away an injured player for a 1st round pick is only "asinine" in the 20/20 world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRJETS Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 It will be good for jets to clean house, but it is fair to say that idzik did some good things. Analyzing positives and negatives of Idziks tenure. Good Sheldon Ivory Cap space Decker Marcus williams Potentially good or adequate Harvin Amaro Pryor Maybe (can't say it is bad yet) Millner Aboushi Mcdougle Shaw Evans (a stretch) Bad Draft record Ignoring needs such as wr in draft and cb in fa Some fa pickups (eg goodson, Patterson ) Apparently creating bad environment where staff comments on moves and non moves. who the hell is marcus wiliams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Move Milliner from maybe to bad. You don't trade the best player in the NFL at a position and then turn around and use the draft pick you got for him on his replacement. Absolutely asinine, but I don't fully blame Idzik for that, as the move screams Rex Ryan. I hate when people use the word "Asinine", especially when it it doesnt describe the situation. Revis didnt want to play ball and would have been a free agent the following season. Idzik traded him, and got Sheldon Richardson. He also got the projected best Corner in the class that year. Its only asinine because Milliner hasn't been on the field. This is called hindsight. At the time the Milliner pick wasnt the problem, the asinine problem was picking Richardson, which no one seen coming. Now that he's the MVP of the team I dont see people talking about how "asinine" it was to criticize the pick back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 All Idzik needed to do was resign Cromartie and he would still have a job, He was too stupid and should be fired for it. That's very simplistic. But you may be correct. Just signing Cro may have made enough of a difference that he would NOT have been fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I hate when people use the word "Asinine", especially when it it doesnt describe the situation. Revis didnt want to play ball and would have been a free agent the following season. Idzik traded him, and got Sheldon Richardson. He also got the projected best Corner in the class that year. Its only asinine because Milliner hasn't been on the field. This is called hindsight. At the time the Milliner pick wasnt the problem, the asinine problem was picking Richardson, which no one seen coming. Now that he's the MVP of the team I dont see people talking about how "asinine" it was to criticize the pick back then. No hindsight from me. I HATED the Milliner pick. Asinine is the perfect way to describe it. Unless Milliner was Revis 2.0, it was absolutely asinine. Perpetual 8-8 teams don't get better by trading their elite players and then burning first rounders on their replacements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Of course u do. Revis required a large contract AFTER a major knee surgery Jets didn't want to commit to that not knowing what would happen in the future BESIDES the fact that Revis would have walked away from the Jets leaving them nothing. Now Milliner may not be a great pickup, but the idea of trading away an injured player for a 1st round pick is only "asinine" in the 20/20 world. You aren't following. Trading Revis wasn't asinine. Drafting a corner in the first round after trading him was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 You aren't following. Trading Revis wasn't asinine. Drafting a corner in the first round after trading him was. I was following the situation as it happened. Drafting the top prospect at the position that your HC covets most to run his scheme wasnt asinine. Dictating who you can/can't draft base on a player you traded makes the trade look like it shouldn't have happened in the first place then. So if trading Revis wasnt Asinine then drafting his replacement (Milliner being the top prospect at the position) was in fact, self evident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I was following the situation as it happened. Drafting the top prospect at the position that your HC covets most to run his scheme wasnt asinine. Dictating who you can/can't draft base on a player you traded makes the trade look like it shouldn't have happened in the first place then. So if trading Revis wasnt Asinine then drafting his replacement (Milliner being the top prospect at the position) was in fact, self evident. Revis-Wilson-Cromartie. We were a franchise in a downward trajectory that had already burned 3 1st or 2nd round picks on the position in the previous six years. While ignoring all skill positions besides Sanchez and Keller. So, yeah, the only self evident thing I see is that if you're a semi-sh*tty team that only pours resources into two positions, eventually, the bottom will completely fall out and you'll miss the playoffs for four straight years and completely flatline by the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Idzik made a few good moves. Trading for Ivory, drafting Richardson and Amaro. But he made a lot of bad moves, which is why he should be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 You have to factor in what Idzik failed to do as well. How could he screw up the cb situation so badly and yet still believe that he was fielding a competitive team? I didn't see any sense of urgency whatsoever on his part to find a replacement for Dmitri Patterson. Thinking that injury-prone Dee Milliner, who was benched in his rookie year, should be your number one corner really showed a level of incompetency on Idzik's part that should disqualify him from being a GM of any NFL team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 No hindsight from me. I HATED the Milliner pick. Asinine is the perfect way to describe it. Unless Milliner was Revis 2.0, it was absolutely asinine. Perpetual 8-8 teams don't get better by trading their elite players and then burning first rounders on their replacements. This was the same line of thinking that resulted in Jalen Saunders....you're right.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 You aren't following. Trading Revis wasn't asinine. Drafting a corner in the first round after trading him was. He wasn't traded for his lack of talent, off the field issues or age. It was his asking price. Jets did not want to invest 10+% of their cap on a corner so they decided to go different ways. Nothing wrong with it. Once Revis was gone, Jets had a need for his replacement. Again, nothing wrong with drafting the best corner prospect to replace Revis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 He wasn't traded for his lack of talent, off the field issues or age. It was his asking price. Jets did not want to invest 10+% of their cap on a corner so they decided to go different ways. Nothing wrong with it. Once Revis was gone, Jets had a need for his replacement. Again, nothing wrong with drafting the best corner prospect to replace Revis. We had spent a first on Wilson and a 2nd on Cro. 2012 was the only year since 2009 that we hasn't burned a first or second on a corner. IDGAF if Wilson didn't work out. How about trying to replace Santana Moss? Enough with the ******* corners! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny16 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Idzik made a couple of decent moves, such as trading for Ivory and drafting Richardson. Plus the cap room he cleared in year one. Beyond that, looking at the big picture, his tenure has been a failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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