Villain The Foe Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 This is what's annoying about the draft media horde. Far too many of them chatter for months about how amazing a prospect is and how this prospect will change the game, etc, then draft season rolls around and either Mayock or Kiper will quote a league source killing this prospect, then these same draft media guys all react to to that by developing amnesia regarding all the fellating they did of the prospect they're now swiping at. I'm not putting Waldman in that boat, btw, though he was a lot higher on Mariota a month ago than he is now. The difference is that Waldman works harder to support his analysis than all of the other shwanks combined. You aint lying. Remember when Winston was wrecking shop last year as a freshman? Everyone and there mother wanted this guy, and if he was eligible he would have been head and shoulders above every prospect coming out last year. Now that he's eligible, those same people are now critical of his game. Its a bunch of knee jerking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 You aint lying. Remember when Winston was wrecking shop last year as a freshman? Everyone and there mother wanted this guy, and if he was eligible he would have been head and shoulders above every prospect coming out last year. Now that he's eligible, those same people are now critical of his game. Its a bunch of knee jerking. What's funny is that the guy they all rolled over on last year just won Rookie of the Year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 What's funny is that the guy they all rolled over on last year just won Rookie of the Year. The same guy that the year before was considered a possible "#1 pick" if he was eligible. Gotta love it. This is why when I present my opinions and people criticize it based on what "the experts say" it makes me shake my head. What does it even mean when they flip flop all the damn time. And for what its worth, What I seen from Bridgewater at Louisville was much better than what I seen from Mariota at Oregon. If Idizk would have pulled the trigger on Bridgwater in the 1st last year I wouldn't have disagreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 i never wavered on my love for Bridgewater. I mocked him to HOU with #1 overall in our JI draft last year. He always was a great prospect at the quarterback position. I felt the same unwavering way about Mariota all through his senior campaign, and that is/was; He's not that good.... round 2 prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo69 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 olineman have been known to bust as well when drafted high. Scherff is not going to be a bust. He is as legit as it gets and I don't think the case is closed that he can't play Tackle in the NFL he did a very good job as a LT in Iowa protecting a drop back qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo69 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Only reason Mariota is probably going to be the #1 pick now over Winston is because Winston's rape accuser is appearing in a movie titled "The Hunting Ground" later this year. Whatever team picks Winston is going to end up with a scandal and the Jets are all Tebow'd out. If you're just basing it on on the field play Winston is the better pro prospect its not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 who won rookie of the year? Isn't that announced tonight? Brdigewater shouldnt even be a finalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 who won rookie of the year? Isn't that announced tonight? Brdigewater shouldnt even be a finalist. Bridgewater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 i never wavered on my love for Bridgewater. I mocked him to HOU with #1 overall in our JI draft last year. He always was a great prospect at the quarterback position. I felt the same unwavering way about Mariota all through his senior campaign, and that is/was; He's not that good.... round 2 prospect. Then you have more balls than 90% of the experts on television. These days the only pundit that gets respect from me is Stephen A. Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share Posted January 31, 2015 Only reason Mariota is probably going to be the #1 pick now over Winston is because Winston's rape accuser is appearing in a movie titled "The Hunting Ground" later this year. Whatever team picks Winston is going to end up with a scandal and the Jets are all Tebow'd out. If you're just basing it on on the field play Winston is the better pro prospect its not even close. I happen to agree with the last part of that statement. It just goes to show just how stupid this kid . Do all that junk if you have too after you get paid. If this kid is that stupid broke, what is he going to be like with a pocket full of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Bridgewater What was today's award then? Beckham won the AP ROY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 What was today's award then? Beckham won the AP ROY Pepsi rookie of the year award or whatever they call it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo69 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 These days the only pundit that gets respect from me is Stephen A. Smith. ? The words respect and Stephen A should never be used in the same sentence. That guy is a klown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 ? The words respect and Stephen A should never be used in the same sentence. That guy is a klown. In a room amongst the rest, I'd run with Stephen. Didnt say the dude was a saint, I'm saying that he makes more sense than the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 The Jets are on the clock and Marcus Marriota is still on the board. The Phone rings in the Jets War Room and the Eagles are looking to move up. The offer is as follows< The Eagles Get pick 6 and Take Marriota. The Jets get : Pick 20 in 2015 Jeremy Maclin LeSean McCoy 2016 2nd round pick What is your reply ? I prefer Foles instead of Macklin. Draft is loaded at receiver; we can probably get Strong or maybe even DGB at 20. Gotta get the QB in that scenario; if Kelley really has a hard on for Mariotta I don't see him keeping Foles as a back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 The Jets are on the clock and Marcus Marriota is still on the board. The Phone rings in the Jets War Room and the Eagles are looking to move up. The offer is as follows< The Eagles Get pick 6 and Take Marriota. The Jets get : Pick 20 in 2015 Jeremy Maclin LeSean McCoy 2016 2nd round pick What is your reply ? My reply is that I don't trade for free agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemusclyde Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 i never wavered on my love for Bridgewater. I mocked him to HOU with #1 overall in our JI draft last year. He always was a great prospect at the quarterback position. I felt the same unwavering way about Mariota all through his senior campaign, and that is/was; He's not that good.... round 2 prospect. Neither did I, I was on here calling for the kid when everyone was making small hand jokes and the like and yelling for Geno to get more time. And I want Mariota. The funny thing is, I bet for a lot of these Mariota haters would sh*t their pants if Kelly got him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 My reply is that I don't trade for free agents. thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Funny, but isn't that exactly how Russell Wilson made it to the Super Bowl. Running the Ball, throwing rinky dink passes and the occasional Bomb. When will fans realize that you win the big game by running the ball successfully and playing solid defense behind it. I don't know what Superbowl you watched but there was nothing rinky dink about the passes Wilson threw. If anything it was Brady who was the dink and dunk specialist until their game winning drive. Wilson made some absolutely gorgeous throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 I don't know what Superbowl you watched but there was nothing rinky dink about the passes Wilson threw. If anything it was Brady who was the dink and dunk specialist until their game winning drive. Wilson made some absolutely gorgeous throws. I never watched the Super Bowl, so that's that. What I was referring to was how this kid used a top running game, his feet, short quick passes and the well timed deep pass to build his stature in the eyes of the franchise just like Mark Sanchez did here early on. 2 appearances in the AFC championship still have some around here thinking that Sanchez was the best thing to happen to the Jets in decades. Just like with Sanchez, when ever the Seahawks open up the playbook for Wilson, the turnovers intensify. There's an offense that fits Wilson perfectly, and it's what they went too at the end of the 1st half and into the 2nd half. You run the ball, throw short passes and take shots when they present themselves. I am not criticizing the play called that allowed the Patriots to win the SB, but ask yourself why the entire world felt that the Seahawks would have won that game had Marshawn Lynch had gotten the football. "A man has got to know his limitations". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 Getting back on the topic of Marcus Marriota. I wonder if those who watched tape would share their opinion of Cal's Aaron Rodgers and Oregon's Marcus Marriota . Now I worded it this way as to eliminate the Aaron Rodgers of Packers fame as opposed to the Rodgers that came out of Cal and waited forever to hear his name called on draft day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I don't know what Superbowl you watched but there was nothing rinky dink about the passes Wilson threw. If anything it was Brady who was the dink and dunk specialist until their game winning drive. Wilson made some absolutely gorgeous throws. Agreed it is such a ridiculous statement to compare Wilson to Mariota. Wilson was successful learning different play books in college. He's also a great at throwing to the streaks and post routes as opposed to mariota who is Mr Dink and Dunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Getting back on the topic of Marcus Marriota. I wonder if those who watched tape would share their opinion of Cal's Aaron Rodgers and Oregon's Marcus Marriota . Now I worded it this way as to eliminate the Aaron Rodgers of Packers fame as opposed to the Rodgers that came out of Cal and waited forever to hear his name called on draft day. Rodgers' arm is approximately 11 times stronger than Mariota's. He dropped because he came from the same program that Kyle Boller busted from, and because he's 6'1". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 Rodgers' arm is approximately 11 times stronger than Mariota's. He dropped because he came from the same program that Kyle Boller busted from, and because he's 6'1". When Aaron Rodgers came out of Cal, his arm strength wasn't considered what it is today. It is why I posted the question the way I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 When Aaron Rodgers came out of Cal, his arm strength wasn't considered what it is today. It is why I posted the question the way I did. what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Check out these terrifying quotes from scouts re: Rodgers. What NFL scouts told the Journal Sentinel's Bob McGinn before the draft about quarterback Aaron Rodgers: Marc Ross, Buffalo: "He's a little short. The thing you worry about is those (Jeff) Tedford guys. They don't do anything for a couple years and then they have a good year or two. Who of his quarterbacks has done what they're supposed to do? None of them. Is he just working magic with great college quarterbacks or just manufacturing guys?" AFC scout: "I like him. He's a very talented guy. A lot of quarterbacks that were system people have not done very well. That puts up a red flag. Not that he is one of them. He could be an exception. But I can't get it out of my craw." Rich Snead, Tennessee: "I like him. I just don't know if he's maxed out. He's more accurate than (Kyle) Boller but probably not as athletic. He's a better player than Akili Smith. He's more athletic than (Trent) Dilfer was. He's a little more mobile than Joey Harrington. He had to go to a JC because no one would recruit him because they said he was too small. He's been busting his (expletive) his whole life to get to this point. I just don't know how much more he has to give." NFC scout: "(Alex) Smith is the better athlete." AFC scout: "I think he has some upside although there are some things that are just ordinary about him." Jerry Angelo, Chicago: "I'd give Rodgers the edge (over Smith) just because he was easier to evaluate. And there's a little more arm. But the edge is negligible." NFC scout: "I think he has a good chance of being a bust. Just like every other Tedford-coached quarterback. Thing I struggle with him is he gets sacked a lot. He doesn't have great ability to change the release of the football. He's mechanically very rigid. Brett Favre can change his release point and find different windows. There will be more growing pains with Alex Smith but in the end he has a much better chance to be much better." NFC scout: "The guys that Tedford has had, what have they developed into? They're too well-schooled. So mechanical. So robotic. I don't know if they become good pro players. I think Rodgers is in that same mold." AFC scout: "I don't like him. He's a clone of Harrington and Boller. They all throw the same way. What have those guys done? Nothing. If you take him in the second round, fine. Heady guy. They do a marvelous job of coaching quarterbacks there. I don't think he's as good as the top quarterbacks coming out last year." AFC scout: "I don't think he's in the class of the quarterbacks that came out last year. Strong arm. Pretty good athlete. Still has some holes in his game." Bill Polian, Indianapolis: "I see a guy who has good arm strength. I see some athletic ability. I see a guy who was pretty good with a good team. I see a guy who's in a pretty efficient offense. Am I certain that he's going to come in and lead my team to the Promised Land? I can't say that. I'm not even sure I can say that about Alex Smith." AFC scout: "He's a system quarterback. 3-, 5-, 7-step guy. Can't create on his own. Panics under pressure. Gets flustered easy. I don't think there's a quarterback in the draft worthy of a first-round pick. I'm dead serious. None of them are worth it." NFC scout: "He fit right into the Cal system. He probably executed that as well as anybody. He doesn't have as strong an arm as Boller but can make the same reads and play the scheme as well as Boller did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Check out these terrifying quotes from scouts re: Rodgers. Point made - but that's a load of sh*t.... You (the figuratively "you") can't point to the exceptions and apply them to the standards. Yes, Aaron Rodgers was one of many many system QBs who had some questions, and he just happened to be the one that worked out, wonderfully too. All you can take from that is - you never know with 100% certainly. But Aaron spend years on the bench developing his game. Had he started year 1, there's no telling where his career might be now. Since Stafford was taken with the first pick in the 2009 draft, virtually every QB taken in the first (with the obvious exception of Andrew Luck), has been thrusted into action too early - and struggled mightily. Cam Newton might be one that you could say has had moderate success. Bridgewater might prove to be another for list, we'll see. ...But the reality is, the chances of Mariota being successful out of the gate in any offense not named Kelly's is bleak. If New York drafts him, there's no way in hell he sits on the bench... and thus we'll do this whole song and dance again with a rookie QB struggle to score and turning the ball over. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Point made - but that's a load of sh*t.... You (the figuratively "you") can't point to the exceptions and apply them to the standards. Yes, Aaron Rodgers was one of many many system QBs who had some questions, and he just happened to be the one that worked out, wonderfully too. All you can take from that is - you never know with 100% certainly. But Aaron spend years on the bench developing his game. Had he started year 1, there's no telling where his career might be now. Since Stafford was taken with the first pick in the 2009 draft, virtually every QB taken in the first (with the obvious exception of Andrew Luck), has been thrusted into action too early - and struggled mightily. Cam Newton might be one that you could say has had moderate success. Bridgewater might prove to be another for list, we'll see. ...But the reality is, the chances of Mariota being successful out of the gate in any offense not named Kelly's is bleak. If New York drafts him, there's no way in hell he sits on the bench... and thus we'll do this whole song and dance again with a rookie QB struggle to score and turning the ball over. No thanks. I'm not sure what we're disagreeing about. I want no part of Mariota. If some team drafts him and figures out how to use him, more power to them. I posted the Rodgers stuff because I stumbled across it when looking for a scouting report on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I'm not sure what we're disagreeing about. I want no part of Mariota. If some team drafts him and figures out how to use him, more power to them. I posted the Rodgers stuff because I stumbled across it when looking for a scouting report on him.I didn't mean me and you were odds necessarily, just speaking at large about individuals pointing to the outliers to make a case for why someone isn't a risk. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 Why exactly can't the Jets draft marriota and sit him on the bench. The Jets just hired a new GM and a New HC. I have little doubt that both men won't be given ample time to get their systems in place. We could develop Marriota for a few yrs while allowing Geno to see out his Rookie contract and have the competition with a younger vet . The kid has the talent, but it has to be developed, not thrown to the wolves and destroyed like Geno and Sanchez before him. The jets cannot pass on Marriota like they did with Bridgewater be=cause they are afraid of not getting instant results from yet another 1st round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Why exactly can't the Jets draft marriota and sit him on the bench. The Jets just hired a new GM and a New HC. I have little doubt that both men won't be given ample time to get their systems in place. We could develop Marriota for a few yrs while allowing Geno to see out his Rookie contract and have the competition with a younger vet . The kid has the talent, but it has to be developed, not thrown to the wolves and destroyed like Geno and Sanchez before him. The jets cannot pass on Marriota like they did with Bridgewater be=cause they are afraid of not getting instant results from yet another 1st round pick. Tinstar.... Tin baby... Old ten ton tinny... In what universe are you living in? There is zero chance that the NEW YORK jets draft a QB with Mariota's profile with the 6th pick and sit on him for a few years. Not even 1 year. Have you seen the Jets over the last couple years?! Sorry, but you're out to lunch on Mars. The Jets should pass on Mariota without blinking an eye. It's the right thing for this franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 Tinstar.... Tin baby... Old ten ton tinny... In what universe are you living in? There is zero chance that the NEW YORK jets draft a QB with Mariota's profile with the 6th pick and sit on him for a few years. Not even 1 year. Have you seen the Jets over the last couple years?! Sorry, but you're out to lunch on Mars. The Jets should pass on Mariota without blinking an eye. It's the right thing for this franchise. Now I understand exactly what you are saying, and I get why you would say that, but it's that kind of thinking that has this franchise exactly where it is. If the Jets don't have the fortitude to allow a talent like Marriota to learn as he watches, then they should not take him. Personally I am hoping that both QBs and Scherff are gone by pick 6 so we can take Shane Ray and continue to build the Defensive front 7 I want. If Marcus Marriota is there at 6, he should be the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Now I understand exactly what you are saying, and I get why you would say that, but it's that kind of thinking that has this franchise exactly where it is. If the Jets don't have the fortitude to allow a talent like Marriota to learn as he watches, then they should not take him. Personally I am hoping that both QBs and Scherff are gone by pick 6 so we can take Shane Ray and continue to build the Defensive front 7 I want. If Marcus Marriota is there at 6, he should be the pick. We don't have the fortitude. I'd happily wager my newborn on it... its not just the jets, its every team. The Jags had no reason to start Bortles last year. Heck they even promised to sit him a year and look how long that lasted. Hopefully a decade of failed prospects at the quarter back position will shed some light on the need to develop these guys before throwing them into the thunderdome against NFL defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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