jetsrebirth Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Agree, first time I have felt good about the way Woody went about things in a while. I have not been a Woody fan at all, but hopefully he is learning. Who knows if this GM/HC combo will work out, but he did it largely the right way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I know we have the Maccagnan thread and the Bowles thread, but I personally wanted to give an ol' tip of the cap to Woody Johnson here. I rip on the guy mercilessly, but it appears as though he followed the right path this time around: he hired two of the more respected voices in the game in Wolf and Casserly and then he actually listened to them. Neither Maccagnan nor Bowles are household names, neither one is going to sell a PSL, and neither guy pretends to be a celebrity, but Woody hired them anyway. And he hired them because the two respected football men he brought in interviewed them, vetted them, and recommended them. Woody could have chased Dan Quinn into February, or he could have sold out to hire John Fox. Or, worse, he could have spent a few weeks lurching onto the back pages by tossing futile offers at guys like Bill Cowher and Mike Shanahan, but he didn't. He listened to Wolf and Casserly and picked two guys who seem to be all about winning football games. Maybe this is the corner that Woody turns here. Maybe Casserly and Wolf sat Woody down and explained to him what winning franchises look like on the inside. Or maybe Woody Johnson, fresh off of putting a bullet into Tannenbaum and then Idzik, and finally Rex, realized that his priorities were screwed up. Either way, it looks like he's finally growing into the job. You go, Woody Johnson. Great thread Shane. You're right. Woody did his thing these past 2 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Thank you, Woody Johnson, for Finally hiring your first real football mind since you bought the Jets 15 years ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 There probably isn't a bigger critic of Woody Johnson than me , but I too am starting to see a difference in the guy. I was 100% sure that there was going to be no way that Johnson would sit up there and face the NY media all alone like he did in the post season press conference. He never did it before and I was calling him a coward and every other mean nasty name I could think up to describe him for being a total disappointment in this Jets fan's eyes. But there he was, taking every question and answering them all, even after getting set up by some smart aleck beat(off) reporter who goaded him into a possible tampering charge over the Revis situation. Maybe we are starting to see the makings of a guy who is growing more and more comfortable in his role as NFL team owner. Maybe him asking the league for help is a good thing, maybe a sign of him being humble and then seeing him heeding the advice being given as a smart move. I have no idea who these two guys he just hired are and have no idea if they will do a good job or not, but one thing I am willing to bet one of my Gibson acoustic guitars on is the bet that the Jets will be a better team than we have seen over the past few years under fatass and the Idziot. Best of luck to us all...Go Jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mphtrilogy Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 After 15 years, Woody looks like he might have turned the corner.. more than can be said for Dolan and Wilpons... Nice job by Woody, I liked Bowles as the guy, was gettings wayed by the Quinn talk, but think this and maccagnan were really rock solid hires... great start to 2015! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 For once there is a lighter feeling around this forum. Go Jets! We have a real reason to be optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 What I also like is that it's not so obviously reactionary... From a coaching POV, the typical Jet move would have been to bring in an offensive coordinator with Tom Coughlin type personality... Herm Edwards was too much of a players coach... Hire Eric Mangini We can't beat the Patriots... Hire Eric Mangini Eric Mangini has no personality... Hire Rex Ryan Mike Tannenbaum was spent/traded too freely... Hire John Idzik The pendulum only swung in this one in that we wanted a personnel guy at GM, which is probably what we should have had all along. They've had a long history of going the polar opposite route with every new hire, which you've outlined here. This feels a lot less knee-jerky than the Mangini and Idzik hires, though. The GM shift had to be done. Back-to-back accountants was disastrous. But it doesn't appear to be a major personality shift, which is usually the case. Maccagnan and Idzik are both behind the scenes guys in very different capacities. I have my reservations about Maccagnan, I'd've liked him better if he'd held GM titles in his minor league stops in Canada and the World League, but he's certainly from the right side of the business. The anti-Rex, personality-wise, was Doug Marrone. On-the-field-wise, he wouldn't've represented much of a change at all. I'm so glad Woody navigated his way thru that one. I don't know a lot about Bowles outside of the great job he did in the face of adversity in Arizona. He seems like a smart coach. Not excited about his rumored coordinator picks, we'll see how that goes. The biggest break from the past this time around is the clean sweep. Not keeping Bradway around when Tanny gets promoted. Not forcing Schottenheimer on Rex, or Rex on the next GM. A clean break is exactly what they needed here more than anything. Two men starting off at the same point, on the same page. Actually I am devastated. I think Quinn is the real deal. I think this is a terrible move. It feels to me like Quinn and Bowles separated themselves from the rest of the pack, and from there the team had some decisions to make. Do you go all in on Quinn when that could potentially stretch out until February - and you may still be in competition with teams like San Fransisco and Denver when you get there? Or do you lock up the guy you feel is on the same level as him, who's in your office right now? Quinn has been associated with greater success, with the #1 defense in both points and yards two years in a row, one Super Bowl under his belt and a favorite for a second this year. But the criticism that he took over a very good defense and works for a very good defensive coach has merit, too. Bowles' defense in Arizona was all him working for an offensive coach. Quinn's team is stacked from top to bottom, Bowles' wasn't to begin with and then he had to overcome additional adversity. I think given all the circumstances involved that they made the right choice at the right time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 dump Pac, I see that you're no newcomer but just in case you've been gone for a few years, here's a little tip. We JNeers PRIDE ourselves in not doing the same things that were happening 10 times a day over on Jets Insider. There the "elitists" would call for any post that they didn't like to be dumped, like we were watching some gladiator games and it was either thumbs up or thumbs down- and I personally always hated that kind of stuff. There is no garbage dump here, ideas come and go on their own merit, bad threads either get answered or die of their own volition. Once in a while though we ALL step over the line and our posts or even whole threads get locked by a mod who will either explain why in the last post before the lock, or if you're a friend, in a personal message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 What I also like is that it's not so obviously reactionary... From a coaching POV, the typical Jet move would have been to bring in an offensive coordinator with Tom Coughlin type personality... Herm Edwards was too much of a players coach... Hire Eric Mangini We can't beat the Patriots... Hire Eric Mangini Eric Mangini has no personality... Hire Rex Ryan Mike Tannenbaum was spent/traded too freely... Hire John Idzik The pendulum only swung in this one in that we wanted a personnel guy at GM, which is probably what we should have had all along. Yes, and a coach with a history building a dominant defense no matter who is in the lineup , versus a coach that inherited one in Baltimore. Not to mention a coach capable of building his own staff and with personnel work on his resume. It's like they found a guy that could do what Rex does , maybe better, and can do the head coachey stuff Rex couldn't. They hired for skillset versus personality type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 It tells me that the owner believes the Jets identity is rooted in defense, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Nobody knows how well this new administration will work out, but there is no such thing as a "sure thing." Woody did a nice job putting this team together, that is all we can ask for. Personally am thrilled that Todd Bowles is the new HC. Exactly Woody went about this process the right way and i love the hire, you have to give credit where credit is due. Now, lets hope it works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Pac, I see that you're no newcomer but just in case you've been gone for a few years, here's a little tip. We JNeers PRIDE ourselves in not doing the same things that were happening 10 times a day over on Jets Insider. There the "elitists" would call for any post that they didn't like to be dumped, like we were watching some gladiator games and it was either thumbs up or thumbs down- and I personally always hated that kind of stuff. There is no garbage dump here, ideas come and go on their own merit, bad threads either get answered or die of their own volition. Once in a while though we ALL step over the line and our posts or even whole threads get locked by a mod who will either explain why in the last post before the lock, or if you're a friend, in a personal message. If we had any pride we'd have banned Pac a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 TomShane happy? Is this bizzaro world?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Pac, I see that you're no newcomer but just in case you've been gone for a few years, here's a little tip. We JNeers PRIDE ourselves in not doing the same things that were happening 10 times a day over on Jets Insider. There the "elitists" would call for any post that they didn't like to be dumped, like we were watching some gladiator games and it was either thumbs up or thumbs down- and I personally always hated that kind of stuff. There is no garbage dump here, ideas come and go on their own merit, bad threads either get answered or die of their own volition. Once in a while though we ALL step over the line and our posts or even whole threads get locked by a mod who will either explain why in the last post before the lock, or if you're a friend, in a personal message. Well said. I could never understand that "dump" mentality, especially when most of the mods on JI were happy to accommodate the request. As you said, the topic will stand or fall on its own merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 TomShane happy? Is this bizzaro world?! Yeah.... I'm not so sure that is a good sign either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Pac, I see that you're no newcomer but just in case you've been gone for a few years, here's a little tip. We JNeers PRIDE ourselves in not doing the same things that were happening 10 times a day over on Jets Insider. There the "elitists" would call for any post that they didn't like to be dumped, like we were watching some gladiator games and it was either thumbs up or thumbs down- and I personally always hated that kind of stuff. There is no garbage dump here, ideas come and go on their own merit, bad threads either get answered or die of their own volition. Once in a while though we ALL step over the line and our posts or even whole threads get locked by a mod who will either explain why in the last post before the lock, or if you're a friend, in a personal message. yeah you're overthinking this. I skimmed his post and called for a dump as a joke. Really didn't think I'd need to explain that. I actually enjoy the banter with him more than most. thanks for the tip though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Well said. I could never understand that "dump" mentality, especially when most of the mods on JI were happy to accommodate the request. As you said, the topic will stand or fall on its own merit. which was why I thought it would be funny. somewhere, someone laughed.. a couple seem to have taken it a little too seriously tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 It tells me that the owner believes the Jets identity is rooted in defense, too. Historically, the Jets have done terrible under offensive coaches - since Weeb, anyway. All of their deepest playoff runs in the 46 years since have come under defensive guys (Michaels, Tuna, Rex). Woody has hired nothing but defensive coaches, though, so it could easily just be his mind-set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 If we had any pride we'd have banned Pac a long time ago. With the exception of one *****OFFICIAL*****whipping boy there has always been a lot less bashing of other posters tolerated here than there had always been; there. There were just some downright wankers at that site. I made the mistake of posting one of my YouTube videos over there...that one song got more thumbs downs from that one song than the total that I'd gotten from 120 other songs combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 which was why I thought it would be funny. somewhere, someone laughed.. a couple seem to have taken it a little too seriously tho. Neg rep ye not lest ye be neg rep'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 which was why I thought it would be funny. somewhere, someone laughed.. a couple seem to have taken it a little too seriously tho. Pac, I got that you were joking. I was responding to the dump mentality which has always bugged me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 As a first time head coach one of the keys is for Bowles to bring in quality guys that can supplement his knowledge on defensive side, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Lets get back on topic here- has Woody learned for the better- say yes here so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Lets get back on topic here- has Woody learned for the better- say yes here so far Seems like it by the reaction of the savages sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Thank you, Woody Johnson, for Finally hiring your first real football mind since you bought the Jets 15 years ago! actually second LK, the first one was his best one it's just bad luck that the scumbags up in Foxboro stole him from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Lets get back on topic here- has Woody learned for the better- say yes here so far No way to answer this. For all we know, Casserly and Wolfe spent days convincing Woody not to hire Tony Sparano or Hue Jackson. Maybe even wrestling the phone out of our bespectacled owner's grasp as he was dialing. Right now, I'm giving Woody the benefit of the doubt that he orchestrated these moves. But he has a long way to go in order to win my confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 lol Have you lost your mind? 80 is loco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mphtrilogy Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 no john fox no marrone no shanahan no mas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Two questions; 1) who convinced Woody to hire real football people like Casserly and Wolf? That's the real hero. 2) More importantly, what does IRA fro Staten Island think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Agree with the analysis but I'm stuck on the premise: Two rookies. Again. SAR I This. What could possible go wrong? It's worked out so well for us hiring rookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRJETS Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I believe that Bowles was the best choice, among the available candidates but what worry me a little is the high amount of yards his defense gave up even with Peterson, Cro and R. Johnson in the backfield. They were ranked 24 altogether. They gave up 260 passing yards and 108 rushing yards. That is an incredible high amounts of yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 No way to answer this. For all we know, Casserly and Wolfe spent days convincing Woody not to hire Tony Sparano or Hue Jackson. Maybe even wrestling the phone out of our bespectacled owner's grasp as he was dialing. Right now, I'm giving Woody the benefit of the doubt that he orchestrated these moves. But he has a long way to go in order to win my confidence. Whether he orchestrated them or not - whether he had to be convinced or not - the point is when all was said and done - he listened to the experts he hired. He went against the philosophy in which he's been running this organization since he got here...PR first and football second We don't know if these guys are the answer - but can finally believe he's chosen them for the right reason. That's a huge step in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 yeah you're overthinking this. I skimmed his post and called for a dump as a joke. Really didn't think I'd need to explain that. I actually enjoy the banter with him more than most. thanks for the tip though. ugh, dump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I know we have the Maccagnan thread and the Bowles thread, but I personally wanted to give an ol' tip of the cap to Woody Johnson here. I rip on the guy mercilessly, but it appears as though he followed the right path this time around: he hired two of the more respected voices in the game in Wolf and Casserly and then he actually listened to them. Neither Maccagnan nor Bowles are household names, neither one is going to sell a PSL, and neither guy pretends to be a celebrity, but Woody hired them anyway. And he hired them because the two respected football men he brought in interviewed them, vetted them, and recommended them. Woody could have chased Dan Quinn into February, or he could have sold out to hire John Fox. Or, worse, he could have spent a few weeks lurching onto the back pages by tossing futile offers at guys like Bill Cowher and Mike Shanahan, but he didn't. He listened to Wolf and Casserly and picked two guys who seem to be all about winning football games. Maybe this is the corner that Woody turns here. Maybe Casserly and Wolf sat Woody down and explained to him what winning franchises look like on the inside. Or maybe Woody Johnson, fresh off of putting a bullet into Tannenbaum and then Idzik, and finally Rex, realized that his priorities were screwed up. Either way, it looks like he's finally growing into the job. You go, Woody Johnson. ya, he put HIS stamp on back burner it appears, a VERY hard thing for a Exec to do when he's used to being the main guy in process. Mac is a Cassery guy , so we will wait and see, while Bowles appears to be good choices.. I had a post awhile back, where I listed all candidates at time and Bowles was ONLY one who was a coordinator on OPPOSITE side of where Head Coach was. IMHO that is a must 'usually' when hiring. We know Pete Carrol is really DC in Seatlle for example, just like we knew Mangini wasnt DC in NE when we hired him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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