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Stop changing the context of the post, I said he has special ability and is a game changer type of player. He's not a workhorse, of ******* course he's not Peterson!

I haven't changed? Who the **** are you?

 

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Stop changing the context of the post, I said he has special ability and is a game changer type of player. He's not a workhorse, of ******* course he's not Peterson!

I haven't changed? Who the **** are you?

 

I'm not changing the context. You said he was "elite", I disagreed, then you started talking about how he has "elite ability", and fits into packages, etc. That's actually YOU changing the context, not me. 

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The Jets have a billion dollars in cap room...free agents know this...there will be tons of guys saying that they'd be a "perfect fit" for the Jets, and it's got nothing to do with the coach or the system.

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The Jets have a billion dollars in cap room...free agents know this...there will be tons of guys saying that they'd be a "perfect fit" for the Jets, and it's got nothing to do with the coach or the system.

But I think given Spiller did have well over a 1,000 yard season it has something to do with it.
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I'm not changing the context. You said he was "elite", I disagreed, then you started talking about how he has "elite ability", and fits into packages, etc. That's actually YOU changing the context, not me. 

 

For what it's worth, I think saying he has elite ability and saying he is elite are two different things.

 

Healthy Spiller a couple of years ago looked elite. He just isn't consistent, mostly because he can't stay healthy. But the talent level is there.

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For what it's worth, I think saying he has elite ability and saying he is elite are two different things.

 

Healthy Spiller a couple of years ago looked elite. He just isn't consistent, mostly because he can't stay healthy. But the talent level is there.

 

I agree, which is why Ray is actually changing the context here, not me. There's no argument that Spiller had what you might call elite speed, but he's not elite as a running back by any stretch of the imagination, which is all I was initially disagreeing with. 

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I agree, which is why Ray is actually changing the context here, not me. There's no argument that Spiller had what you might call elite speed, but he's not elite as a running back by any stretch of the imagination, which is all I was initially disagreeing with. 

Not elite, but better than what the Jets currently employ at the position. Ivory would become an instant backup and Powell would be third string. CJ2K is hopefully cut.

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Not elite, but better than what the Jets currently employ at the position. Ivory would become an instant backup and Powell would be third string. CJ2K is hopefully cut.

 

Ivory becoming an instant backup is arguable. From what I read, he was in Marshawn Lynch territory in certain stat categories. Spiller would be a nice addition as a package guy, as Ray eventually shifted his position to.

 

In general, I'm just not a big believer in being the team that pays a RB their 2nd or 3rd contract. I'd rather if we're replacing CJ, we do it with a potential stud in the draft. RB is one of those positions where a RB can impact early too - spend the FA money on veterans that play positions that are harder to hit on it the draft, and take more time to develop. Get Corners and WRs that have already figured out the NFL. Pump money into the OL. 

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I agree, which is why Ray is actually changing the context here, not me. There's no argument that Spiller had what you might call elite speed, but he's not elite as a running back by any stretch of the imagination, which is all I was initially disagreeing with. 

 

The post I saw quoted said "He has elite ability, he can be a game changer" - I think that's a fair assessment.

 

I'd be happy bringing Spiller in on a team friendly one or two year deal and I think that's all he's going to get. Give him a shot to be in a 1-2 punch with Ivory that keeps both fresh and allows the team to mix and match skill sets a bit. Would be fine with drafting a running back as well but with Spiller out there I'd rather see the picks get allocated somewhere else.

 

Regardless, the position needs to be addressed this offseason. Johnson's getting cut, nobody with the organization has ties to Powell so I imagine he'll get replaced with an upside #3 runner. Going with Ivory/Spiller/competition between late round/undrafted guys at RB wouldn't be a bad way to go IMO.

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But I think given Spiller did have well over a 1,000 yard season it has something to do with it.

 

I get that, and he probably would be a great fit, but at the end of the day, these guys decide that their "best fit" is wherever they get the most money...Jets have a lot to spend.  These guys aren't stupid when it comes to getting paid.

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The post I saw quoted said "He has elite ability, he can be a game changer" - I think that's a fair assessment.

 

I'd be happy bringing Spiller in on a team friendly one or two year deal and I think that's all he's going to get. Give him a shot to be in a 1-2 punch with Ivory that keeps both fresh and allows the team to mix and match skill sets a bit. Would be fine with drafting a running back as well but with Spiller out there I'd rather see the picks get allocated somewhere else.

 

Regardless, the position needs to be addressed this offseason. Johnson's getting cut, nobody with the organization has ties to Powell so I imagine he'll get replaced with an upside #3 runner. Going with Ivory/Spiller/competition between late round/undrafted guys at RB wouldn't be a bad way to go IMO.

 

 

I agree. Before that though, Ray said 

 

Spiller isn't an LT, he doesn't have that kind of millage on his legs

 

At 27, he would be a great pick-up, and because of some of his injury past, he is still very much in his prime for the Jets to try for a bargain signing for an elite talent, Spiller is still that player.  He injured his shoulder last year, not his legs, and his legs are what we want.

 
Which is what I objected to, for reasons I've already stated. Spiller is has elite speed, he is not an elite talent. Elite talent, or an elite RB, is going to dominate no matter the system, no matter the game situation. Elite players don't need excuses made for them, and aren't available as "bargains". 
 
Spiller would be a nice addition to add speed to our offense, he's dangerous in space. That's nice, but I want a 3-down bellcow that can carry the offense. 
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I agree, which is why Ray is actually changing the context here, not me. There's no argument that Spiller had what you might call elite speed, but he's not elite as a running back by any stretch of the imagination, which is all I was initially disagreeing with. 

exactly ... to be considered elite the first thing you need to do is stay on the freakin field and consistently put up great numbers Spiller has done none of this ...he has the potential but being injury prone lends itself more to him being part of a platoon with Ivory

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I agree. Before that though, Ray said 

 

 
Which is what I objected to, for reasons I've already stated. Spiller is has elite speed, he is not an elite talent. Elite talent, or an elite RB, is going to dominate no matter the system, no matter the game situation. Elite players don't need excuses made for them, and aren't available as "bargains". 
 
Spiller would be a nice addition to add speed to our offense, he's dangerous in space. That's nice, but I want a 3-down bellcow that can carry the offense. 

 

 

oh stop with the semantics.  Spiller is better than what we have and can be considered an elite talent.  There are about 5 "bellcows" left in todays league. 

 

for someone so opposed to Rex' coaching style you sure are spewing a lot of his platitudes.

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oh stop with the semantics.  Spiller is better than what we have and can be considered an elite talent.  There are about 5 "bellcows" left in todays league. 

 

for someone so opposed to Rex' coaching style you sure are spewing a lot of his platitudes.

 

You can't possibly think this is going to troll me.

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You can't possibly think this is going to troll me.

 

Who is trolling?  I think your nitpicking arguments were getting out of hand - especially since you're wrong.  Spiller has elite talent..  it's the reason he was picked 5th overall and has shown flashes of greatness.

 

Here's the part where you write a lot of words telling me why Spiller isn't the best RB in the league while ignoring the fact that no one said he was.

 

Ready? 

 

Go!

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Who is trolling?  I think your nitpicking arguments were getting out of hand - especially since you're wrong.  Spiller has elite talent..  it's the reason he was picked 5th overall and has shown flashes of greatness.

 

Here's the part where you write a lot of words telling me why Spiller isn't the best RB in the league while ignoring the fact that no one said he was.

 

Ready? 

 

Go!

 

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http://www.ganggreennation.com/2015/1/29/7934771/c-j-spiller-potential-jets

 

When the idea was first suggested that the Jets try to sign C.J. Spiller, I was lukewarm. The idea has really been growing on me, though. Spiller just finished his fifth season in Buffalo and is heading for free agency. He spent the first three years of his career under current Jets offensive coordinator Chan Gailey when Gailey was the head coach in Buffalo. In Gailey's final season, Spiller was in beast mode. He ran for 1,244 yards on an absurd 6.0 average. He also added 43 catches for 459 yards.

Spiller is a homerun hitter. He has great speed and suddenness, changing directions while staying at top speed. He lost a lot of his 2014 to a broken collarbone, but in 2012 and 2013 there were not many backs who offered more big plays. In 2012 he rushed for 495 yards on plays netting 15 yards or more. That was fifth most in the league. In 2013 he was sixth with 405. There were lots of big plays.

Although he was still productive in 2013, I think Gailey's offense in 2012 was the perfect blend of player and system. Gailey liked to spread defenses out, which took linebackers and defensive linemen out of the box. That created more daylight between the tackles, and Spiller goes a long way when he sees daylight.

Here are six man boxes he saw on two of his longest runs of the year.

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Even though people think of him as a finesse guy because of his speed, he ran for over 7 yards per carry between the tackles that season.

Spiller also adds value in the passing game, which would be a nice compliment to Chris Ivory, who adds little.

There is one rather big red flag. Spiller is a really bad pass protector. Over the past three seasons, he has allowed pressure on over 17% of his pass blocking snaps. That's really bad. Almost one out of every five times he has pass blocked, the play has been impacted.

This is a problem and not an insignificant one for two reasons. First, Chris Ivory is also a bottom tier pass blocker. Second, pass blocking from backs might be important for the Jets. Odds are the quarterback will either be Geno Smith or a rookie. In either case, that quarterback is probably not going to be able to decipher defensive fronts well. That means they won't know to change protections to account for potential free runners. That will leave blitzers to the backs, potentially creating open season for defensive coordinators to blitz.

Despite this danger, I think the Jets should have interest in Spiller. I think he can add a lot of juice to this offense. The market for running backs is depressed this day. Spiller fits the mold of the free agent I like, the talented player whose value might be lower than it should be due to a subpar contract year. If the Jets could get him for something in the range of Chris Johnson's $4 million annual value (or lower), I think they should.

This looks like a very deep Draft crop at running back. If the Jets kept Chris Ivory and replaced Chris Johnson and Bilal Powell with Spiller and a talented rookie, the backfield could go from just ok to a real area of strength.

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I agree. Before that though, Ray said 

 

 
Which is what I objected to, for reasons I've already stated. Spiller is has elite speed, he is not an elite talent. Elite talent, or an elite RB, is going to dominate no matter the system, no matter the game situation. Elite players don't need excuses made for them, and aren't available as "bargains". 
 
Spiller would be a nice addition to add speed to our offense, he's dangerous in space. That's nice, but I want a 3-down bellcow that can carry the offense. 

 

 

Elite ability, elite talent - that's all the same to me. Doesn't mean they're an elite player. You put together a 1 minute highlight tape of Spiller and an elite RB and it's the same. Talent <> production. Elite RB's are the ones who are able to produce game in and game out because they stay healthy - Spiller's not that guy because he doesn't stay on the field and is fighting nagging injuries when he is. If I've got one game where I know he's going to be healthy for 60 minutes though, he has that special talent. Speed, shiftiness, vision, hands - he's a great back. Just rarely showcases it because he's always hurt.

 

And frankly I don't think the bellcow back is worth it. It's much more financially efficient to piece together a backfield, and you can keep everybody fresh and change the pace a little for a defense. All else equal sure I'd rather have Le'Veon Bell than Ivory and Spiller - but when you take money into account and the fact that you're diversifying your run game a bit (takes two backs to pop an ACL to ruin your backfield rather than one) I think the RBBC approach is the way to go. That's just me though.

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Elite ability, elite talent - that's all the same to me. Doesn't mean they're an elite player. You put together a 1 minute highlight tape of Spiller and an elite RB and it's the same. Talent <> production. Elite RB's are the ones who are able to produce game in and game out because they stay healthy - Spiller's not that guy because he doesn't stay on the field and is fighting nagging injuries when he is. If I've got one game where I know he's going to be healthy for 60 minutes though, he has that special talent. Speed, shiftiness, vision, hands - he's a great back. Just rarely showcases it because he's always hurt.

 

And frankly I don't think the bellcow back is worth it. It's much more financially efficient to piece together a backfield, and you can keep everybody fresh and change the pace a little for a defense. All else equal sure I'd rather have Le'Veon Bell than Ivory and Spiller - but when you take money into account and the fact that you're diversifying your run game a bit (takes two backs to pop an ACL to ruin your backfield rather than one) I think the RBBC approach is the way to go. That's just me though.

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