Justin Houston?

[Jetster]

Thanks for the info regarding KC & Houston.

I bet you he'd be pretty enamored with playing with our Dline! You think Houstons a star now, imagine him playing & winning in NY.

OMG!

Can you imagine have Mo, Coples, Sheldon, Snacks & Houston?

All of those ALMOST sacks that Pace had last year would be strip sacks if you replace Pace with Houston.

We have a chitload of money & a deep D line. We could always trade Big Mo after next year when we see how they all perform together.

Patriots better shore up their Oline if the NY Jets luck into signing Justin Houston!

[32EBoozer]

Dude, just think before you type. Coples' option eats up 15-20% of that "infinite" amount of cash. For one year. Wilkerson has to be resigned, there goes another 20% I'd guess. That's about 20 mil. per year, gone. Snacks has to be re-signed, or Ellis. We might tender Snacks, so that's probably 3-4 mil. for next year so let's say it's 25 mil. for these 3 guys. That's already like half of "infinite". David Harris has to be brought back or at least somebody of his caliber, there goes another roughly 5 mil. Probably a little more. So that's 30 mil. if I'm not mistaken. You notice something? We haven't even signed a single free agent yet and like 30 mil. is already out the door. You want Houston? That's at the very least 15 mil. per year, probably closer to 17 or 18 mil. So...now we have how much left? 10-15 mil.? We plugged one hole. Wow. Great. How about that corner? Want Kareem Jackson? There goes another 10 mil. probably.

 

Where's your "infinite" 50 mil. now? We still need an adequate QB. A starting receiver. A stud Guard. More depth at a lot of positions. Some cap room for next year and the years after to play with in order to extend some up & comers like Sheldon, Coples, Snacks/Ellis etc. and be able to bring in free agents to improve the team. You don't throw all your eggs in one basket by spending all your dough on a Justin Houston. With so many other options out there for a fraction of what he'd cost you. Give me a break. Watch who's going to be after Justin Houston. It's not gonna be the good teams, it's not gonna be the smart teams, not the winners, not Seattle, NE, San Fran, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Denver, Green Bay. No. It's gonna be the dumbest and most desperate teams in the league, like Washington, Oakland, you get the picture. Give me your picture please, maybe I'm missing something. Tell me how you'd solve this, bring in Houston, re-sign all our studs and then bring in all these other stud free agents.

 

EDIT

Forgot about the draft class.

Cap will be over $140 mil this year(closer to $143 according to Jason @ OTC)

 

"The cap rise is good news for both teams seeking cap maneuverability and players who now begin to taste the fruits tied to the collective bargaining agreement signed in 2011. According to Breer, the structure of the CBA and the timing of the television deals sets the players up well from 2015 to 2020."

 

There will be higher Cap Allowances moving forward. Don't be afraid like Idzik... there's always ways to clear up space for good players.

It was the Harris and Sanchez re-negotiations that screwed us. Houston for 4 yrs. will not kill us.

Curious if they pick up the Coples 5 th yr. option? As of today I say NO... but maybe Bowles fixes him

 

 

 

 

Year Maximum team salary 2014 $133 million ^[14] 2013 $123 million^[15] 2012 $120.6 million 2011 $120 million 2010 Uncapped

[Villain The Foe]

 

Cap will be over $140 mil this year(closer to $143 according to Jason @ OTC)

 

"The cap rise is good news for both teams seeking cap maneuverability and players who now begin to taste the fruits tied to the collective bargaining agreement signed in 2011. According to Breer, the structure of the CBA and the timing of the television deals sets the players up well from 2015 to 2020."

 

There will be higher Cap Allowances moving forward. Don't be afraid like Idzik... there's always ways to clear up space for good players.

It was the Harris and Sanchez re-negotiations that screwed us. Houston for 4 yrs. will not kill us.

Curious if they pick up the Coples 5 th yr. option? As of today I say NO... but maybe Bowles fixes him

 

 

 

 

Year Maximum team salary 2014 $133 million ^[14] 2013 $123 million^[15] 2012 $120.6 million 2011 $120 million 2010 Uncapped

 

Good point, It wasnt like signing Houston to a 1 year 40 million dollar deal was an option for any team. 

[56mehl56]

Lol. A guy that just almost broke the sack record is available, and people are like "No way. We can get Jason Worilds".

 

This is why we suck.

But on the other hand want to resign Revis for 16M/per 

[j4jets]

Lol. A guy that just almost broke the sack record is available, and people are like "No way. We can get Jason Worilds".

This is why we suck.

He has a reasonable excuse to not go after Houston. He'll cost a ton as opposed to a guy who will cost two thirds of him and produce maybe around 80 to 90 % of his pass rush. We're not two or three sacks away from being a SB contender.

If rather spend wisely unless an all pro hits the market at a position u need extreme help at (Revis?).

Revis, Iupati, Warlid, n Maclin can all be had for about 30-35 mil. Or u can sign Houston for half that.

[32EBoozer]

But on the other hand want to resign Revis for 16M/per 

Revis max is set at $12 mil IMO. If he's looking for some security I'd go 3 yr. $36 mil ($20m guar)

[32EBoozer]

He has a reasonable excuse to not go after Houston. He'll cost a ton as opposed to a guy who will cost two thirds of him and produce maybe around 80 to 90 % of his pass rush. We're not two or three sacks away from being a SB contender.

If rather spend wisely unless an all pro hits the market at a position u need extreme help at (Revis?).

Revis, Iupati, Warlid, n Maclin can all be had for about 30-35 mil. Or u can sign Houston for half that.

Maclin ain't going nowhere...Eagles working on deal AWS. Harvin stays(hope they re-work deal).

Remember that 2016 is the year Brick contract counts $14 mil towards cap next yr. Harvin $9 mil

 There are ways to move money around.

[The Troll]

But on the other hand want to resign Revis for 16M/per 

An elite pass rusher > an elite corner. An elite pass rush can manufacture good CB play. I wouldn't be upset if they resigned Revis, but not at the expense of someone like Houston. I'd rather just resign Cromartie and allocate the money elsewhere.

[sirlancemehlot]

Nice final to piece to the puzzle for a SB contender going all-in.  Like Revis for the Pats this season.  But the Jets need to get better in many, many areas.  Why would we throw all of that money at a pass-rush specialist?  Pass rush is not a problem here.  OL is a problem.  QB is a problem.  WR is a problem.  CB is a problem.  OLB could use an upgrade and we could use a blocking TE for sure.  The wisest way to spend our money is to upgrade all these positions with players that are better than the ones we already have.  If and when we become a team that is solid enough to push for a championship...then yeah, grab a star and make a run, knowing your time is limited and the checking account eventually catches up with everyone.  Signing Justin Houston to THIS team is moronic considering the price-tag.

[j4jets]

Maclin ain't going nowhere...Eagles working on deal AWS. Harvin stays(hope they re-work deal).

Remember that 2016 is the year Brick contract counts $14 mil towards cap next yr. Harvin $9 mil

There are ways to move money around.

Moving money around is not the same as saving money. We're not talking about being "Idzik cheap". We are talking about getting the 3rd best player as opposed to the most expensive guy who might give u just amrginally better production at a much higher salary (almost twice as much).

[The Troll]

Nice final to piece to the puzzle for a SB contender going all-in.  Like Revis for the Pats this season.  But the Jets need to get better in many, many areas.  Why would we throw all of that money at a pass-rush specialist?  Pass rush is not a problem here.  OL is a problem.  QB is a problem.  WR is a problem.  CB is a problem.  OLB could use an upgrade and we could use a blocking TE for sure.  The wisest way to spend our money is to upgrade all these positions with players that are better than the ones we already have.  If and when we become a team that is solid enough to push for a championship...then yeah, grab a star and make a run, knowing your time is limited and the checking account eventually catches up with everyone.  Signing Justin Houston to THIS team is moronic considering the price-tag.

The last time the Jets had a player with more than 10.5 sacks in a season was 2004. Aside from Wilkerson and Pace in 2013, you have to go back to 2005 for a double digit sack season, period. Yes, it is a need. 

[Greenseed4]

I'm pretty sure these dots connect to Sam Acho.

[OuttaSightPF]

Is KC at the top of their salary cap?

Is it possible that the Jets can poach this guy in Free agency? Houston is the type of player we have been missing for a long time in this defense.

If we were to make a big splash in FA this guy would be my #1 target. With our Dline, Davis emergence, adding Houston & drafting another young LB, our front 7 would be as good as any team in the league.

Probably just a dream as I'm sure KC would franchise him but weirder things have happened in the NFL.

My wish list at Free agent OLB is in this order, Hughes from Buffalo, Worilds from Pittsburgh and Acho from Arizona. I know the first two will lost likely get resigned with current team, but my fingers are crossed.

I also thing there is no questions that Shane Ray should be our #1 pick this year. If we combine him with a top free agent on the opposite side and have DAVIS and Harris inside we will actually have a complete front 7.

[win4ever]

I'd love to add Houston, but I'm not sure it makes the most sense for us to go after him, when we have so many holes.   

 

- Wilkerson is going to be a nice cap hit, especially with the signing bonus at the start.  This was why I didn't understand why they just didn't resign him last year since we had enough space to do so.   We can't afford to lose him because then we weaken the only part of our team that may actually be a strength.

 

- We need to add a corner, and a good one costs atleast 8-10 mil per season (unless we're bargain hunting, but we saw how that turned out last year), so we can have FA corner/Dee Milliner/Dex/Williams.   We MAY also need a slot corner because Wilson most likely isn't going to be back.  

 

- There has to be money set aside for the draft picks, albeit atleast it's set this year.  

 

- We need LBs, not one, but most likely two.  I'm not sure I want Harris back.  He's productive in the run defense, but horrible in pass coverage.  Ditto for Pace.  So we need to have two guys come in, and if they are even remotely good, then that costs too much money as well.  

 

- We may need to bring in a WR as well, because Harvin could be cut.  A primetime WR will cost money.  Our best bet here might be to restructure Harvin at a lower cap hit, and then compliment him with an outside WR.  Gailey likes to run 4 WR sets spread out.  Decker/FA/Kerley/Harvin would be a nice group to have.  

 

- We haven't even addressed the QB position yet, and that is in trouble either way you look at it.  If we bring in a veteran QB, we have to pay a minimum of $7 million, since even Vick got about 5 last year, and loser Mcgown got $14 million over two years.  So, that's the pay if we bring in a veteran.  If we draft someone, then this is a full rebuild year and there is no point in paying premium, when you can try and find the lesser known guys and try to develop them.   If we stick with Geno, and he does horribly?  Well our season tanked.  If he does great?  Then we have to offer him a contract extension at the end of the year because he's a second rd pick, so that 5th year option doesn't exist, and you don't want a young QB to go to the free agent market.   

 

Houston will be a great add, might just be one of the best defensive players in the league even away from KC.  But he doesn't put us over the edge at all.  With Houston, we may get to one other prime free agent, after locking up Wilkerson.  

 

So say, Houston, Maclin, Wilkerson, and say a cheap Cromartie and the rest for drafts and roster fillers.  

 

Or

 

Worldis, Maclin, Wilkerson, Cromartie, plus Ilupati?   

 

Would three prime time free agents even go to the same team?  I'm not sure.   But I think we would be better off going to find very good players instead of great ones, and hope our system makes them great.  

[Jetster]

I'd love to add Houston, but I'm not sure it makes the most sense for us to go after him, when we have so many holes.   

 

- Wilkerson is going to be a nice cap hit, especially with the signing bonus at the start.  This was why I didn't understand why they just didn't resign him last year since we had enough space to do so.   We can't afford to lose him because then we weaken the only part of our team that may actually be a strength.

 

- We need to add a corner, and a good one costs atleast 8-10 mil per season (unless we're bargain hunting, but we saw how that turned out last year), so we can have FA corner/Dee Milliner/Dex/Williams.   We MAY also need a slot corner because Wilson most likely isn't going to be back.  

 

- There has to be money set aside for the draft picks, albeit atleast it's set this year.  

 

- We need LBs, not one, but most likely two.  I'm not sure I want Harris back.  He's productive in the run defense, but horrible in pass coverage.  Ditto for Pace.  So we need to have two guys come in, and if they are even remotely good, then that costs too much money as well.  

 

- We may need to bring in a WR as well, because Harvin could be cut.  A primetime WR will cost money.  Our best bet here might be to restructure Harvin at a lower cap hit, and then compliment him with an outside WR.  Gailey likes to run 4 WR sets spread out.  Decker/FA/Kerley/Harvin would be a nice group to have.  

 

- We haven't even addressed the QB position yet, and that is in trouble either way you look at it.  If we bring in a veteran QB, we have to pay a minimum of $7 million, since even Vick got about 5 last year, and loser Mcgown got $14 million over two years.  So, that's the pay if we bring in a veteran.  If we draft someone, then this is a full rebuild year and there is no point in paying premium, when you can try and find the lesser known guys and try to develop them.   If we stick with Geno, and he does horribly?  Well our season tanked.  If he does great?  Then we have to offer him a contract extension at the end of the year because he's a second rd pick, so that 5th year option doesn't exist, and you don't want a young QB to go to the free agent market.   

 

Houston will be a great add, might just be one of the best defensive players in the league even away from KC.  But he doesn't put us over the edge at all.  With Houston, we may get to one other prime free agent, after locking up Wilkerson.  

 

So say, Houston, Maclin, Wilkerson, and say a cheap Cromartie and the rest for drafts and roster fillers.  

 

Or

 

Worldis, Maclin, Wilkerson, Cromartie, plus Ilupati?   

 

Would three prime time free agents even go to the same team?  I'm not sure.   But I think we would be better off going to find very good players instead of great ones, and hope our system makes them great.

Why does everyone want Cromarty back? Rebuild the secondary with young fast hungry guys. Why did we bring in this new coaching staff to teach if we're bringing in old dogs to hunt?

[Gastineau Lives]

 It's not gonna be the good teams, it's not gonna be the smart teams, not the winners, not Seattle, NE, San Fran, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Denver, Green Bay. No. It's gonna be the dumbest and most desperate teams in the league, like Washington, Oakland, you get the picture. Give me your picture please, maybe I'm missing something. Tell me how you'd solve this, bring in Houston, re-sign all our studs and then bring in all these other stud free agents.

 

EDIT

Forgot about the draft class.

 

It's easy to look like a "smart" team when you have a franchise QB. I'm sure each and every one of them has at least one bad contract. The Seahawks last year had the 2nd or 3rd highest cap number before they had to pay Sherman his new contract and with Russell Wilson still on his rookie deal. Zach Miller's cap number was like 11 mil alone.

 

I agree with the premise of your original post but I'm so tired of hearing about how brilliant the Broncos, Seahawks, Pats, Packers are and how dumb the Raiders are and using that as a criteria for moves the Jets should or should not make.

[32EBoozer]

Moving money around is not the same as saving money. We're not talking about being "Idzik cheap". We are talking about getting the 3rd best player as opposed to the most expensive guy who might give u just amrginally better production at a much higher salary (almost twice as much).

I understand what ya'll are saying... just don't agree.

 

Houston has 48.5 sacks in 4 years, Worilds has 25 in 5 years. If Houston will be commanding $14mil/yr ... Worilds will be seeking $10mil.

For an extra $4mil a year I can get 15 EXTRA sacks/season....I take it!!

This guy, along with our front 4 will create HAVOC!

Sign this Beast!

[DaBallhawk]

It's easy to look like a "smart" team when you have a franchise QB. I'm sure each and every one of them has at least one bad contract. The Seahawks last year had the 2nd or 3rd highest cap number before they had to pay Sherman his new contract and with Russell Wilson still on his rookie deal. Zach Miller's cap number was like 11 mil alone.

 

I agree with the premise of your original post but I'm so tired of hearing about how brilliant the Broncos, Seahawks, Pats, Packers are and how dumb the Raiders are and using that as a criteria for moves the Jets should or should not make.

 

Don't worry, Houston will be tagged anyway so let's just move on from this silly idea..

[prime21]

Can't wait to see how much money Sheldon wants in a few years. I believe Percy will be gone. Even if he agreed to take a lower salary like 7 million I just can't see throwing in a 4th round pick, he's not worth it IMO. But who is out there? Dez will want 10m and up and Thomas is going to want the same. Marlin is a good option but I can't see philly losing him.

[win4ever]

Why does everyone want Cromarty back? Rebuild the secondary with young fast hungry guys. Why did we bring in this new coaching staff to teach if we're bringing in old dogs to hunt?

 

Well young good guys on the free agent market cost money, and throwing young CBs to the wolves isn't the best course of action either.  I doubt we're investing a high first round pick on a CB, so we're looking at a developmental CB most likely.  We still need someone to hold the fort, and hopefully also help develop the other guys that are growing up besides him.  

 

Then the year after, we can move on from Cromartie or demote him, and let the young guys step in, instead of being forced to play with them.