Jetsfan80 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Couldn't post the images, but according to PFF, we are 8 Above Average players away from being a Super Bowl team. One amazing stat? Mangold only allowed 7 QB pressures last year. The average center averages 19.7. http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12179331/how-many-players-away-super-bowl-team What makes a Super Bowl contender? When Pro Football Focus analyzed the 28 teams that played in the conference championship games for the 2007 to 2013 seasons, it found that, on average, 40 percent of those rosters were composed of good/elite players (you had to play 250-plus snaps to qualify). Using that methodology, PFF determined how many above-average players stood between your team and contending for this year's Super Bowl. How close were the Jets to being Super Bowl contenders? By Pro Football Focus Breaking Down The Roster To be considered a Super Bowl contender, 40 percent of the players who took part in at least 250 snaps (varies by team) have to be rated as good or elite. Here's how Pro Football Focus evaluated each of the Jets' 33 qualifying players.* Elite Good Average Bad 2 C Nick Mangold DE Sheldon Richardson NFL Average: 2 4 DE Muhammad Wilkerson S Dawan Landry OLB Jason Babin DT Damon Harrison NFL Average: 4.3 19 WR Eric Decker S Jaiquawn Jarrett S Calvin Pryor WR Percy Harvin ILB Demario Davis OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson TE Jace Amaro G Oday Aboushi ILB David Harris DE Leger Douzable CB Marcus Williams CB Darrin Walls OT Breno Giacomini CB Kyle Wilson WR Jeremy Kerley OLB Calvin Pace OLB Quinton Coples RB Chris Ivory CB Phillip Adams NFL Average: 21 8 CB Antonio Allen G Brian Winters RB Chris Johnson G Willie Colon QB Geno Smith QB Michael Vick WR David Nelson TE Jeff Cumberland NFL Average: 5.8 *Pro Football Focus uses its proprietary metrics to evaluate every player on every snap in every game. Each player's rating here is based solely off how his performance in 2014 compared to that of the peers at his position. For more methodology explanation, click here. THE INSIDE STORY Where NFL Nation agrees/disagrees with Pro Football Focus by Rich Cimini, ESPN.com Nick Mangold C Nick Mangold: A nine-year vet, Mangold continues to win with his superior technique and intelligence. PFF graded him as the league's best center in 2014, and you won't find much disagreement from Jets coaches, who love Mangold because he rarely makes a mistake when calling the pass-protection scheme. And if you're looking for a reason the Jets finished third in rushing (142.5 YPG), Mangold is a good place to start. He rated as PFF's No. 2 run-blocking center. Sheldon Richardson DE Sheldon Richardson: His teammates voted him the team MVP, and deservedly so. After winning the defensive rookie of the year in 2013, Richardson delivered an encore, ranking as PFF's second-best 3-4 DE behind only J.J. Watt. He improved as a pass-rusher -- his sacks jumped from 3.5 as a rookie to a team-high eight in 2014 -- and maintained his relentlessness vs. the run (11.8 run-stop percentage, second overall). Richardson possesses rare athleticism for a man his size (6-foot-3, 294, 4.96 40); the coaches would even drop him into pass coverage about three times per game. Just 24, Richardson still hasn't reached his ceiling. Muhammad Wilkerson DE Muhammad Wilkerson: A versatile every-down player, Wilkerson is capable of playing anywhere on the line -- even over the center in certain packages. If not for missing three games with turf toe late in the season, he might have made his first Pro Bowl. He finished with 34 total pressures per PFF, high numbers for a lineman who often rushes from an interior position and gets double-teamed. Wilkerson has one year left on his rookie contract, and the Jets would be wise to give one of their cornerstone players a new deal. Dawan Landry S Dawan Landry and OLB Jason Babin: Bill Parcells used to have a name for players like Landry and Babin; he called them "hold-the-fort guys." They're past-their-prime players who provide leadership and stability, but they're only short-term solutions. That's a nice way of saying they don't belong in the good category. Landry played more than 900 defensive snaps, yet he wasn't involved in a single takeaway. Babin was competent in his role as a situational pass-rusher, but hardly an impact player. He registered only two sacks in 275 pass-rushing opportunities, according to PFF. Damon Harrison DT Damon Harrison: He played primarily on first and second down -- only 49 percent of the defensive snaps -- but Harrison was vital to the Jets' fifth-ranked run defense because of his ability to tie up two blockers. His 12.5 run-stop percentage was tops for defensive tackles. The only thing preventing him from being an elite player is his lack of pass-rush production. He's had just one sack in three seasons. Nevertheless, the Jets need to break out the checkbook, as Harrison -- a former undrafted free agent -- will be a restricted free agent this offseason. Percy Harvin WR Percy Harvin: He can be a dynamic player, but there's no disputing his production last season was average at best. In eight games with the Jets, who acquired him midseason from Seattle for a conditional sixth-round pick, Harvin had only 29 receptions, tied for 77th in the league over that span. The old coaching staff liked his work ethic and willingness to play hurt, contradicting the public perception of him, but there's a new regime. Harvin is due to make $10.5 million in 2015, and the team can cut bait with no cap ramifications. Chances are, he won't be back next season. D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson: He played every single offensive snap and allowed only one sack, according to PFF. How is that average? He will struggle occasionally with speed rushers -- he allowed six QB pressures when facing Denver's Von Miller and DeMarcus Ware in Week 6 -- but the coaches liked his down-to-down consistency. There will come a time (maybe 2016) when he no longer will be worth his huge cap charge ($11.7 million in 2015), but he's still good enough to be a winning left tackle in the league. Good News, Bad News by Sam Monson, Pro Football Focus QB pressures allowed Good News: Once the undisputed best center in the league, Nick Mangold ranked as either PFF's best or second-best-rated player at his position during every season from 2007-11. And after turning in rankings of sixth and 19th the past two seasons, Mangold is officially back (first overall in 2014). He allowed just seven QB pressures all season, the fewest among all centers. Bad News: No matter how you slice the numbers, QB Geno Smith had an awful 2014. How awful? At one point, he was benched for an equally hopeless Michael Vick. Smith completed just 39 percent of his passes while under pressure, and threw 11 of his 13 interceptions when teams sat back in coverage. So it's no wonder that he finished just two games with a positive PFF grade. The Best, Worst Values by Kevin Seifert, ESPN.com Best -- DT Sheldon Richardson: Richardson didn't make the 2014 All-Pro team, but he is an elite player by any reckoning and is locked into his first contract for at least one more season by NFL rules. As the No. 13 overall pick in the 2013 draft, Richardson did receive a signing bonus of $5.7 million, but his 2014 salary was $862,000 and overall his contract averages $2.5 million per season. For that value, the Jets have a top-end interior disruptor who had eight sacks in 2014. Richardson is on the same level as All-Pro selections Ndamukong Suh and Marcell Dareus, who earned a combined $15.7 million this season. And as an added bonus, Richardson has proved incredibly durable, playing in all of the Jets' games the last two seasons. Worst -- WR Eric Decker: He had a decent season for the Jets, catching a team-high 74 passes for 962 yards and five touchdowns. But 2014 wasn't the year for the Jets, or anyone, to spend big on a free-agent receiver. Decker earned $10 million in 2014, and is guaranteed another $5 million for 2015, while the 2014 draft produced arguably the best class of receivers in league history. Among the receivers the Jets passed on: Brandin Cooks, Kelvin Benjamin and Jordan Matthews, who made an average of $3.8 million in 2014. 2014 Salary 2014 Salary Grading the QB by Kevin Seifert, ESPN.com Geno Smith quietly finished his second season on a high note, completing 65.1 percent of his passes and throwing six touchdowns, against one interception, over the Jets' final four starts. And the Jets are at least one year away from having to make a decision on Smith's contract. But it will be difficult for the Jets' new regime to begin its tenure with Smith as its unquestioned starter. The franchise needs to upgrade the position. Positional Needs by Rich Cimini, ESPN.com Cornerback: The Jets have only three corners under contract, and two of them -- Dee Milliner and Dexter McDougle -- are coming off major surgery. We're talking about a complete overhaul here, especially since new coach Todd Bowles likes to blitz and play man-to-man coverage on the outside. The Jets are coming off a season in which they allowed 31 touchdown passes (30th overall) and picked off only six balls (tied for fewest in the NFL). Quarterback: They still have Geno Smith, but is he the answer? Probably not. His 35.4 total QBR ranked ahead of only Jaguars rookie Blake Bortles. The Jets must acquire a viable alternative. One possibility could be the Texans' Ryan Fitzpatrick, a possible salary-cap casualty. He'd be a nice fit, having previously played in Chan Gailey's system. Picking sixth, they have an outside shot at Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota. Wide receiver: If they decide to keep Percy Harvin and his $10.5 million price tag, the need for a receiver is reduced. You can live with a Harvin-Eric Decker-Jeremy Kerley trio because of their complementary skill sets. Harvin and Kerley both have great short-area quickness and are threats underneath, while Decker can do a little of everything. Without Harvin, this becomes a huge need. Alabama's Amari Cooper would be terrific if he slipped to the Jets at the sixth pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 We got Babin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 The Cowboys being 0 players away is a rather large indictment of Jason Garrett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Football is trying to do what baseball did with Sabermetrics, and it is really a horrible idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 The Cowboys being 0 players away is a rather large indictment of Jason Garrett. If I am to believe any of this-With the Jets being ranked 14th in supposed value of players, isn't that any even bigger indictment of Rex Ryan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 If I am to believe any of this-With the Jets being ranked 14th in supposed value of players, isn't that any even bigger indictment of Rex Ryan? This seems to weight each position equally, which is obviously wrong. And it's only based off of 2014 performance....it doesnt project anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 The Cowboys being 0 players away is a rather large indictment of Jason Garrett. They did get boned in the playoff game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 This seems to weight each position equally, which is obviously wrong. And it's only based off of 2014 performance....it doesnt project anything. garbage in, garbage out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 If I am to believe any of this-With the Jets being ranked 14th in supposed value of players, isn't that any even bigger indictment of Rex Ryan? I would tend to agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 This seems to weight each position equally, which is obviously wrong. True, but its a little better than the same old tired "So and so team is just a QB away!" arguments. You could say that about most of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Football is trying to do what baseball did with Sabermetrics, and it is really a horrible idea. I dunno, it's more interesting to discuss than deflated footballs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Football is trying to do what baseball did with Sabermetrics, and it is really a horrible idea. Thank you. I love the look on peoples faces who after seeing Money Ball are told the As have won nothing since McGwire and Canseco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I was just looking at this and a few things stuck out to me: -David Nelson is still listed on the team. Strange. -Some players in the average or bad listing are free agents (Harris, Colon) and they shouldn't be brought back. -Chris Johnson was a waste of time and money. Powell didn't even figure into this, mostly because he didn't get enough action. -The QB play was epically horrendous this year. -I have no earthly idea how Babin or Landry ended up in the "good" category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I'd say one. A QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBallhawk Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Those PFF dummies should go back to playing fantasy football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 This is interesting but its completely useless and stupid. Lol. Only 8 "above average" players away!!! Whatever that means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 With a decent draft and signing the right free agents we can be an instant playoff team if not a contender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 You can have all the elite or good players you want, if your QB is in the "sucks" category, you aren't winning in today's NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I was just looking at this and a few things stuck out to me: -David Nelson is still listed on the team. Strange. -Some players in the average or bad listing are free agents (Harris, Colon) and they shouldn't be brought back. -Chris Johnson was a waste of time and money. Powell didn't even figure into this, mostly because he didn't get enough action. -The QB play was epically horrendous this year. -I have no earthly idea how Babin or Landry ended up in the "good" category. - Nelson is showing because they break down every player who played a single snap during the season, they don't update it as you would a current roster. - As far as Babin/Landry, I think it's because throughout the season they were consistently solid. Neither was making game changing plays, but neither was making many mistakes either. Babin was much better vs. the run than advertised and I believe he had one missed tackle all season. Enough "solid" or "good" games adds up to a good rating by season's end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Truthfully we are nothing more than a ballboy with no scruples and an off shore bank account away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 You can have all the elite or good players you want, if your QB is in the "sucks" category, you aren't winning in today's NFL. Yeah... /thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 You can have all the elite or good players you want, if your QB is in the "sucks" category, you aren't winning in today's NFL. Absolutely. Both QBs finishing in the "bad" category tells the story of this team more than anything else. But the accountants the Jets have had running the personnel department didn't stop there when it comes to not adding quality players to the roster. Just have to hope Maccagnan is the real deal. Gotta love him tearing the scouting department to shreds, this team needs results there yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 No matter what K. Wilson does PFF won't give him a bad grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Cornerback: The Jets have only three corners under contract, and two of them -- Dee Milliner and Dexter McDougle -- are coming off major surgery. We're talking about a complete overhaul here, especially since new coach Todd Bowles likes to blitz and play man-to-man coverage on the outside. The Jets are coming off a season in which they allowed 31 touchdown passes (30th overall) and picked off only six balls (tied for fewest in the NFL). Sound familiar? The destruction of the CB position was catastrophic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 True, but its a little better than the same old tired "So and so team is just a QB away!" arguments. You could say that about most of the league. and what does that tell you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 and what does that tell you? It's true, BUT there are teams that don't win multiple championships (Packers) despite having an elite QB. Not to mention, if you have a mostly average QB who can get hot in the playoffs (like a Flacco) and surround him with talent, that's a way to do it also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 It's true, BUT there are teams that don't win multiple championships (Packers) despite having an elite QB. Not to mention, if you have a mostly average QB who can get hot in the playoffs (like a Flacco) and surround him with talent, that's a way to do it also. Rodgers hasn't retired yet, and would have a great shot at one this year if the recover that onside kick.. Either way, it's not so much about winning championships as it is having as many of the best chances as possible to win them. That means making the playoffs first and foremost, with a bye and home-field advantage as often as possible.. The elite QB generally gets you to the postseason year in and year out giving you many chances to break through, the best team doesn't win every single sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Rodgers hasn't retired yet, and would have a great shot at one this year if the recover that onside kick.. Either way, it's not so much about winning championships as it is having as many of the best chances as possible to win them. That means making the playoffs first and foremost, with a bye and home-field advantage as often as possible.. The elite QB generally gets you to the postseason year in and year out giving you many chances to break through, the best team doesn't win every single sunday ^ <3s Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Football is trying to do what baseball did with Sabermetrics, and it is really a horrible idea. In some areas the stats are helpful. Sacks allowed for offensive lineman is always telling. But I agree....they are getting too fancy with some of the other stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONX DUDE Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 How many players away from a Super Bowl? 42 1/2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 If I am to believe any of this-With the Jets being ranked 14th in supposed value of players, isn't that any even bigger indictment of Rex Ryan? You are correct, but nobody in their right mind needed anything more than two eyes to see that Rex is a very bad HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I wonder if the guys bashing PFF are aware that several NFL teams are among the paid subscribers to the website. I'm guessing not. Burn the witches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I wonder if the guys bashing PFF are aware that several NFL teams are among the paid subscribers to the website. I'm guessing not. Burn the witches! If they didn't spend so much of their analytics budgets trying to prove concussions are harmless they could afford better nerds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenoandtheJets Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 a quarterback that can play consistently, 2 cornerbacks who can cover a wide receiver. So I'll say 3 players away from a Super Bowl. When you talk about Super Bowls with the Jets it's a difficult subject. Most of the time they let you down when their supposed to be good. I'm not even thinking about Super Bowl. Just get to the playoffs as either a wild card team or a division winner and advance round to round and if their fortunate to ever get there then they better win it all. Go Jets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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