Rex already tempering re: Revis

[Bugg]

And you know that how??When Kotite had a QB he went 11-5 with the Eagles and won a playoff game something Mangini never did..

Kotite actually blew out the Steve Young Niners championship team before getting the ax in Philly. But he was also handed a team that was pretty good in Philly and figured he only had to steer away from icebergs instead of working.mark Bowden of "Blackhawk DOnw" fame and a lot of other good stuff was a beat writer for the Eagles at the time from Buddy Ryan through the beginning of Andy Reid and basically said that in his book about that. Kotite also had to deal with the aftermath of Buddy Ryan pulling the Ryan family crest about DEFENSE and F__ the offense.The guy had an idea, but he also was a knucklehead. Not a bad guy, but one who thought it was 1973 and getting to the corner office was grounds to relax. In fact it was at precisely the time being and NFL HC meant you had to be a detail-oriented workaholic living in your office.  But when he got here he rested on his laurels-coming to work late, leaving early. He knew for what ever the reason Hess loved him and took advantage. And by then that wasn't going to work fro any HC.

 

After his first Jets win Kotite had a story in the papers how he celebrated by going to a Brooklyn steakhouse and having a bunch of goombahs kiss his ring and all that. Kotite is a classic case of getting your dream job and not realizing the dream job isn't a peak you reach but a place you have to keep working to maintain. 

 

Mangini came thisclose to pulling it off spare Favre getting hurt. He rolled the dice and he crapped out. Mangini is a smart guy but not one that understands being unrelenting with adults over a long season beats people up. 

[BurnleyJet]

Rex would have used Wilson as a punt returner and you know it.

Wrong - Punt Protector!

[BurnleyJet]

Rex would have used Wilson as a punt returner and you know it.

Wrong - Punt Protector!

[BurnleyJet]

Rex would have used Wilson as a punt returner and you know it.

Wrong - Punt Protector!

[Sperm Edwards]

They're on video. Peyton says he was going back to school. Archie says that it didn't take Peyton long to make the decision because he wanted to go back and beat Spurrier and win the conference.

 

Manning May Have Been Waiting for Sign From the Jets

By GERALD ESKENAZI

Published: April 16, 1997

The Jets apparently might have been able to pique Peyton Manning's interest in turning pro -- but they would have had to stretch the league rules.

''I think Peyton kept waiting for something to hit him,'' Olivia Manning, the Tennessee quarterback's mother, said yesterday, ''and when it didn't happen, he wanted to return to school.''

She said that no one from the Jets made direct or indirect overtures.

''Peyton wanted to get it all done by April 4, when college practice started,'' she said when asked whether the Jets might have been able to get him if they had tried. ''He kept waiting.''

[T0mShane]

Manning May Have Been Waiting for Sign From the Jets

By GERALD ESKENAZI

Published: April 16, 1997

The Jets apparently might have been able to pique Peyton Manning's interest in turning pro -- but they would have had to stretch the league rules.

''I think Peyton kept waiting for something to hit him,'' Olivia Manning, the Tennessee quarterback's mother, said yesterday, ''and when it didn't happen, he wanted to return to school.''

She said that no one from the Jets made direct or indirect overtures.

''Peyton wanted to get it all done by April 4, when college practice started,'' she said when asked whether the Jets might have been able to get him if they had tried. ''He kept waiting.''

Here's Mike Vaccaro, as Mike Vaccaro is prone to do, both propagating a salacious myth and refuting it with the fact in the next sentence:

But Parcells wouldn’t commit. Or couldn’t. Or maybe wasn’t entirely sold that they should use that pick on a quarterback instead of, say, Orlando Pace (who eventually did go No. 1 after the Rams made a deal with the Jets).

Or maybe …

“I think Peyton wanted to stay all along,” his father, Archie, said not long ago. “I think Bill Parcells being in New York made what was going to be an easy decision harder for him.”

Gotta love newspapers. Mike Vaccaro: HERE'S THE STORY I WANT YOU TO BELIEVE (and here's an actual quote from a principal entity in the story dispelling that thing I want you to believe but whatev we're a tabloid.)

[Sperm Edwards]

Here's Mike Vaccaro, as Mike Vaccaro is prone to do, both propagating a salacious myth and refuting it with the fact in the next sentence:

Gotta love newspapers. Mike Vaccaro: HERE'S THE STORY I WANT YOU TO BELIEVE (and here's an actual quote from a principal entity in the story dispelling that thing I want you to believe but whatev we're a tabloid.)

I was quoting his mother more than the author.

He was waiting for Parcells to say he wanted to take him. Parcells said nothing. After the fact, the Manning men don't want to make it look like he was ever someplace he didn't want to be, or admit that anyone - like a future HOF HC - wasn't interested in him.

But Mom was just being honest. She had no incentive to fabricate a story about her son that he was waiting to be contacted and when he wasn't he then decided to return to Tennessee.

Why is it so difficult for you to accept this? Parcells announced he was quitting after 3 years the day he signed here. He didn't want to break in a rookie QB and wanted to trade down to accumulate more draft picks because, as he said back then, the Jets weren't 1 player away.

[T0mShane]

I was quoting his mother more than the author.

He was waiting for Parcells to say he wanted to take him. Parcells said nothing. After the fact, the Manning men don't want to make it look like he was ever someplace he didn't want to be, or admit that anyone - like a future HOF HC - wasn't interested in him.

But Mom was just being honest. She had no incentive to fabricate a story about her son that he was waiting to be contacted and when he wasn't he then decided to return to Tennessee.

Why is it so difficult for you to accept this? Parcells announced he was quitting after 3 years the day he signed here. He didn't want to break in a rookie QB and wanted to trade down to accumulate more draft picks because, as he said back then, the Jets weren't 1 player away.

Why is it difficult for you to accept what Archie, Parcells and Peyton himself said?

[Sperm Edwards]

Why is it difficult for you to accept what Archie, Parcells and Peyton himself said?

Because Mom was the only one being honest since she's the only one with no reason to cloud what happened.

Parcells has to say that because on paper he was not permitted to speak to Manning. So off the bat his testimony has no value.

Archie and Peyton not admitting he was conflicted about returning to Tennessee? Yeah, why would anyone who was scorned then say, after the fact, that he didn't want to go there anyway. Like Pee Wee Herman falling off his bike and saying he meant to do that.

Do you really think his mother was lying when she said Peyton was waiting on Parcells and he never showed interest in taking him (#1)?

[T0mShane]

Because Mom was the only one being honest since she's the only one with no reason to cloud what happened.

Parcells has to say that because on paper he was not permitted to speak to Manning. So off the bat his testimony has no value.

Archie and Peyton not admitting he was conflicted about returning to Tennessee? Yeah, why would anyone who was scorned then say, after the fact, that he didn't want to go there anyway. Like Pee Wee Herman falling off his bike and saying he meant to do that.

Do you really think his mother was lying when she said Peyton was waiting on Parcells and he never showed interest in taking him (#1)?

If we're going to pick and choose who, in this story, was being honest, we're going to pick the one who is implying that Bill Parcells didn't want Peyton Manning on his football team. I'm aware that Parcells could be a hyper-focused psychopath when it came to adding players to his roster, but he's also the same guy that drafted Drew Bledsoe once. I'm sure that there's a kernel of truth to the Mannings not entirely trusting Parcells and the Jets in that scenario, but that says a lot more about Peyton Manning than it does the Jets, or Parcells.

[Sperm Edwards]

If we're going to pick and choose who, in this story, was being honest, we're going to pick the one who is implying that Bill Parcells didn't want Peyton Manning on his football team. I'm aware that Parcells could be a hyper-focused psychopath when it came to adding players to his roster, but he's also the same guy that drafted Drew Bledsoe once. I'm sure that there's a kernel of truth to the Mannings not entirely trusting Parcells and the Jets in that scenario, but that says a lot more about Peyton Manning than it does the Jets, or Parcells.

Totally different scenario. He didn't announce he was quitting in NE, after 3 years, the day he signed aboard there. With the Jets, he did that very thing. He didn't suddenly retire from out of nowhere; his contract as HC was up and if he wanted to stay on for longer he could have given himself an extension before the 1999 season started.

The day he arrived here he announced he was quitting in 3 years. He didn't want a rookie QB - whatever we now know of Peyton is looking in hindsight - and he wanted to accumulate draft picks. The Jets were already getting docked a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th pick over those 3 seasons to New England. He wanted out of the #1 slot with or without Manning in the draft. Further, he was the GM with the Jets but not with NE. He'd gotten overruled on his high draft pick in NE once (Terry Glenn, who he didn't want but who NE drafted anyway).

Regardless, he was in it for the long haul the day he signed in NE and was only signing up for 3 years maximum with the Jets the day he signed with us.

And it's not cherry-picking some obscure reporter's report. It's the guy's freaking mother who is the only one with zero incentive to cloud what happened back then.

[T0mShane]

Totally different scenario. He didn't announce he was quitting in NE, after 3 years, the day he signed aboard there. With the Jets, he did that very thing. He didn't suddenly retire from out of nowhere; his contract as HC was up and if he wanted to stay on for longer he could have given himself an extension before the 1999 season started.

The day he arrived here he announced he was quitting in 3 years. He didn't want a rookie QB - whatever we now know of Peyton is looking in hindsight - and he wanted to accumulate draft picks. He wanted out of the #1 slot with or without Manning in the draft.

And it's not cherry-picking some obscure reporter's report. It's the guy's freaking mother who is the only one with zero incentive to cloud what happened back then.

It's the guy's freaking mother refuting the guy's freaking father and the freaking guy himself. Her incentive is that she really likes her son. The story is, was, and always will be a media creation. It's a lot more fun to write the clash-of-egos story than it is the kid-just-liked-college story.

The Peyton-as-wuss characterization was well in effect long before he became a pro. He consistently choked in every big game he played in at Tennessee, especially vs. Spurrier, so much so that Spurrier used to ridicule their program openly. The only reason that Leaf was even in the conversation for first overall at that point was because of Manning's failures in big spots. Given all of that information, I'm going to choose to believe that 1. Peyton wanted to go back to school, 2. Archie is telling the truth, 3. Parcells would have drafted him if he came out, and 4. If there was any hesitation on Manning's part because Parcells didn't drop down into his knee to court him, that was his own psychosis.

[RutgersJetFan]

It's the guy's freaking mother refuting the guy's freaking father and the freaking guy himself. Her incentive is that she really likes her son.

Plus she was probably menstruating when she said that.

[T0mShane]

Plus she was probably menstruating when she said that.

They ain't loyal.

[Sperm Edwards]

It's the guy's freaking mother refuting the guy's freaking father and the freaking guy himself. Her incentive is that she really likes her son. The story is, was, and always will be a media creation. It's a lot more fun to write the clash-of-egos story than it is the kid-just-liked-college story.

The Peyton-as-wuss characterization was well in effect long before he became a pro. He consistently choked in every big game he played in at Tennessee, especially vs. Spurrier, so much so that Spurrier used to ridicule their program openly. The only reason that Leaf was even in the conversation for first overall at that point was because of Manning's failures in big spots. Given all of that information, I'm going to choose to believe that 1. Peyton wanted to go back to school, 2. Archie is telling the truth, 3. Parcells would have drafted him if he came out, and 4. If there was any hesitation on Manning's part because Parcells didn't drop down into his knee to court him, that was his own psychosis.

His mother is the only one among them with no incentive to cloud things by saying Parcells wasn't interested and therefore Peyton went back to school.

Nobody seriously believes Parcells wanted to take on a rookie QB when he announced from day 1 he was only going to coach here for 3 years. You can bet the Mannings didn't believe it, but held out hope for as long as they could.

With Parcells - a buddy of his Dad's no less, who'd just taken his 3rd trip to the superbowl - taking over the team with the #1 pick, Peyton would have been all over entering the draft. The alternative was taking his chances a year later with an unknown future NFL's worst team, with an unknown HC and GM in charge there. And don't discount the Jets had just invested heavily on a pair of bookend tackles. Further, it's obvious from the Eli debacle that Archie was very protective of what teams his kids go to. Going to the Jets, with Parcells taking over, would have been the dream scenario for him to have his son go into.

If Parcells guaranteed Archie he'd draft Manning there is no way on earth he goes back to Tennessee, risks getting injured his senior season, and then risks going to the Saints or worse in 1998.

You're forgetting Peyton didn't announce he was returning to Tennessee until way late into March. He WANTED Parcells to draft him. But on that day, Parcells was still content with Glenn Foley.

[Sperm Edwards]

If Peyton really really really wanted to return to Tennessee to show he isn't a choke artist, as you allege, he'd have announced returning way back in early January not all the way into freaking March. Use your head.

An emotional decision like that would have been made when his emotions were highest (right after not winning a nat'l championship) not over 2 months later.

[T0mShane]

His mother is the only one among them with no incentive to cloud things by saying Parcells wasn't interested and therefore Peyton went back to school.

I'm not sure what incentive Peyton or Archie has to lie about it, exactly.

Nobody seriously believes Parcells wanted to take on a rookie QB when he announced from day 1 he was only going to coach here for 3 years. You can bet the Mannings didn't believe it, but held out hope for as long as they could.

This is all in your head. "Nobody seriously believes that Parcells wanted the most highly-coveted QB prospect in a decade." Come on now.

With Parcells - a buddy of his Dad's no less, who'd just taken his 3rd trip to the superbowl - taking over the team with the #1 pick, Peyton would have been all over entering the draft. The alternative was taking his chances a year later with an unknown future NFL's worst team, with an unknown HC and GM in charge there. And don't discount the Jets had just invested heavily on a pair of bookend tackles. Further, it's obvious from the Eli debacle that Archie was very protective of what teams his kids go to. Going to the Jets, with Parcells taking over, would have been the dream scenario for him to have his son go into.

If Parcells guaranteed Archie he'd draft Manning there is no way on earth he goes back to Tennessee, risks getting injured his senior season, and then risks going to the Saints or worse in 1998.

Given all of this--the injury factor, the going-to-the-Saints factor, etc-- what words had to pass from Parcells' mouth to Peyton's ears to make him come out in the draft? It seems odd that there was some magical sentence that Parcells refused to speak that caused the Manning family to entirely reverse course and push Peyton back to college.

In fact, Archie was recently quoted (in a piece about Eli) that Peyton might not have had the personality to handle NY, at least not as well as Eli. I think the Manning side of this conspiracy would be a lot more fertile ground to farm in order to find out why Peyton bailed. The Jets were still the Jets at that time, Parcells or no. This is the same Archie that refused to let Eli go to a cherry spot like the Chargers simply because Archie didn't like the Spanos family. There are a million more logical reasons that Manning turned tail than, "Parcells didn't whisper into his ear."

Parcells was still content with Glenn Foley.

Parcells benched Glenn Foley approximately four minutes into the Glenn Foley Era. Stop it.

[BP]

ame="Sperm Edwards" post="2680019" timestamp="1422799517"]

His mother is the only one among them with no incentive to cloud things by saying Parcells wasn't interested and therefore Peyton went back to school.

Nobody seriously believes Parcells wanted to take on a rookie QB when he announced from day 1 he was only going to coach here for 3 years. You can bet the Mannings didn't believe it, but held out hope for as long as they could.

Given all of this--the injury factor, the going-to-the-Saints factor, etc-- what words had to pass from Parcells' mouth to Peyton's ears to make him come out in the draft?

 

 

Parcells benched Glenn Foley approximately four minutes into the Glenn Foley Era. Stop it.

 

Foley got hurt. and then Vinny just took his job and Foley couldn't get it back. I dont remember any Jets fans questioning anything Parcells did during his tenure here. he really made watching the Jets enjoyable again and renewed hope in a franchise that was hopeless before he came here. In hindsight its very easy to say ''Well Parcells did this, and he should have done this, and he caused this and its all his fault because of this''  lol ITS ALL AFTER THE FACT!

 

Now Sperm will quote a Jets fan from 97-99 who wasnt happy with Parcells

[Savage69]

Why is it difficult for you to accept what Archie, Parcells and Peyton himself said?

Why is it hard for you to understand that Brady,BB and Kraft never lie or Goodell?? And neither do GM's about players they like right before the draft.. In Tom's world nobody ever lies about anything.. Have you ever seen a guy hit on a women and get rejected and then say I didn't want her anyway?? In Peytons mind he would have entered the draft if the Tuna showed him interest but he didn't so in that case it never happened.. Speaking of the Tuna remember him saying after the Jets he would never coach again?? How did that work out..

[T0mShane]

Why is it hard for you to understand that Brady,BB and Kraft never lie or Goodell?? And neither do GM's about players they like right before the draft.. In Tom's world nobody ever lies about anything.. Have you ever seen a guy hit on a women and get rejected and then say I didn't want her anyway?? In Peytons mind he would have entered the draft if the Tuna showed him interest but he didn't so in that case it never happened.. Speaking of the Tuna remember him saying after the Jets he would never coach again?? How did that work out..

I am a great fan of lying. I just believe that this particular myth is so flimsy and has been refuted so many times that it's become the Loch Ness Monster.

[Savage69]

Foley got hurt. and then Vinny just took his job and Foley couldn't get it back. I dont remember any Jets fans questioning anything Parcells did during his tenure here. he really made watching the Jets enjoyable again and renewed hope in a franchise that was hopeless before he came here. In hindsight its very easy to say ''Well Parcells did this, and he should have done this, and he caused this and its all his fault because of this''  lol ITS ALL AFTER THE FACT!

 

Now Sperm will quote a Jets fan from 97-99 who wasnt happy with Parcells

Really??? I never liked to see Martin get all the carries and in 1999 when Vinny got hurt who finished the Game?? Tom Tupa the punter why not Ray Lucas?? Why after that use Rick Mirer until the season was lost and then put him in.. I hate to break it to you but in spite of what some people think including Francesa Parcells is not God or even related.. And my views are not after the fact I was against trading a 1st and 3rd pick for the compiler in the first place..LOL

[BP]

Really??? I never liked to see Martin get all the carries and in 1999 when Vinny got hurt who finished the Game?? Tom Tupa the punter why not Ray Lucas?? Why after that use Rick Mirer until the season was lost and then put him in.. I hate to break it to you but in spite of what some people think including Francesa Parcells is not God or even related.. And my views are not after the fact I was against trading a 1st and 3rd pick for the compiler in the first place..LOL

You conveniently ignore (all the time I may add) that the Jets were the best screen passing team in the nfl during that time period. Curtis ''sh*tty game against jax'' always includes ypc. sometimes those carries set up other things. the Mirer thing was a mistake. Lucas and the Jets were the hottest team in the NFL near the end of the season. what happened to Lucas without Parcells? lol now youre going to tell me it was all Henning!! look at delhomme in carolina!

 

The compiler set other things up with his sh*tty ypc.

[Savage69]

You conveniently ignore (all the time I may add) that the Jets were the best screen passing team in the nfl during that time period. Curtis ''sh*tty game against jax'' always includes ypc. sometimes those carries set up other things. the Mirer thing was a mistake. Lucas and the Jets were the hottest team in the NFL near the end of the season. what happened to Lucas without Parcells? lol now youre going to tell me it was all Henning!! look at delhomme in carolina!

 

The compiler set other things up with his sh*tty ypc.

What did his 1 ypc set up in the Denver game a loss?? As far as Lucas goes Henning was the QB coach in 1998-99 so I would think he helped Ray.. And I agree Henning did a fine job with the Panthers as OC..

[long suffering jets fan]

My problem is why folks were/are so intensely vested in Rex and his reputation.  We saw what the guy did to this organization over the last six years.  Yeah, there were some good times, but look at the smoldering ashes around us.  It's going to take years to rebuild this thing.

 

Sure, I blame Woody, Tannendunce and Idiotzik for a good measure of our failure.  But to absolve Rex from any of the dysfunction is, IMO, a head in the sand mentality.  

 

I do agree, but some folks are just over the top and need to be challenged regarding their hate for Rex.  Personally he's someone elses coach now and what we have here now is much more relavant to this organization than Rex.