KRL Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Some people are already "jumping off the cliff" with some of the offensive players being associated with us (McCown, Spiller). Picking them apart and doubting what they could bring to the team. To them I say, relax!!! You need to keep your expectations for our offense in 2015 to a realistic level. My hopes for the offense are as follows: - Be in the top 5 rushing. We were #3 last year and #6 in 2013 - Be in the 16-21 range of total offense - Get average QB play from whoever is the starter. To me that would be: * Completion % in the 58-60 range * Passing yards a game in the 195-205 range * TD's in the 15-17 range * INT's in the 9-11 range We have to stop thinking that we are going to elevate to a GB/Rodgers level of offensive efficiency. That's not going to happen in one off-season, we need to shoot for realistic goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I think we should continue to save our cap room for a run in 2025... The reality is that our offense isn't going to be good until we find a QB, signing McCown, drafting someone in the 4th and keeping Geno isn't a good plan imo.. I'm hoping we go after someone with some upside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyFavoriteMartin28 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Hope Mariota Falls to us make the trade with the Eagles and hope that Foles brings in avg but consistent qb numbers which I think he could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Realistically the offense will continue to blow until they find a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I think we should continue to save our cap room for a run in 2025... The reality is that our offense isn't going to be good until we find a QB, signing McCown, drafting someone in the 4th and keeping Geno isn't a good plan imo.. I'm hoping we go after someone with some upside I read that the Jets are obliged to use a lot of their cap space this year. Not sure of the exact number but it is a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 They need a QB that doesn't suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I can't see us being a better rushing team in 2015. Gailey us not going to force the run like Rex, he will be way more balanced to slightly pass dominant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Some people are already "jumping off the cliff" with some of the offensive players being associated with us (McCown, Spiller). Picking them apart and doubting what they could bring to the team. To them I say, relax!!! You need to keep your expectations for our offense in 2015 to a realistic level. My hopes for the offense are as follows: - Be in the top 5 rushing. We were #3 last year and #6 in 2013 - Be in the 16-21 range of total offense - Get average QB play from whoever is the starter. To me that would be: * Completion % in the 58-60 range * Passing yards a game in the 195-205 range * TD's in the 15-17 range * INT's in the 9-11 range We have to stop thinking that we are going to elevate to a GB/Rodgers level of offensive efficiency. That's not going to happen in one off-season, we need to shoot for realistic goals Your QB stats are basically "stop gap" stats. So, what you're telling me is that in the "generation of the quarterback/passing offense" its okay, or serviceable for your QB to produce 60% completion, 17 TD's, 11 INT's and 205 yards per game? Geno Smith 59.7% 13TD's 13 INT's 180 yards per game You give Geno Smith .3% more, give him 4 more TD's, remove 2 INT's and give him 20 more yards per game and the Jets win about 2 more games. Why? Because though the Jets are top 3 in rushing, they're 20th in rushing touchdowns. Same thing last year. The Jets were 6th in rushing, 20th again in rushing touchdowns. The way that these rankings are created can be deceiving at times. The Jets had the 6th best defense in the league by rankings, but ranked 24th in points allowed. How the hell are you ranked 6th best defense when pretty much every team can score on you? This is why I like Bowles. Arizona was the 24th ranked defense in the league, but 5th in points allowed, which is what really matters. I could care less how many yards you gain, its about points. The Jets dont score points with that top 3 rushing attack and their top 10 defense is in the bottom 10 in points allowed, which means that if our QB ends up looking like the stats that you're willing to accept then this team will win 6 to 7 games instead of 4. Aren't we tired of stop gap JAG's at QB? Ryan Fitzpatrick could give us those exact numbers, actually, he could do slightly better. Look at his stats this year for the Texans and they went 6-6 in his 12 games played. And thats a Texans team that is better than us at just about every level on offense and defense. We need a guy with the potential to be more than average if we're at the stage where these type of stats are acceptable. Either we trade for a QB that shows potential or we draft a QB at #6 then. However, Im sick of these type of stats or worse from the QB position. Might as well not even take the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I can't see us being a better rushing team in 2015. Gailey us not going to force the run like Rex, he will be way more balanced to slightly pass dominant. This will only be true if QB plays improves somewhat. If you have a QB throwing 1-2 picks/game, you better believe Bowles will do the same as Rex... keep trying to pound the rock and punt if need be. Try and let the defense keep you in the game and kick a ton of field goals. We cannot let the QB position continue to put us in terrible position to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 The way that these rankings are created can be deceiving at times. The Jets had the 6th best defense in the league by rankings, but ranked 24th in points allowed. How the hell are you ranked 6th best defense when pretty much every team can score on you? This is why I like Bowles. Arizona was the 24th ranked defense in the league, but 5th in points allowed, which is what really matters. . I understand Bowles is coordinating this year for 32nd in yards and first in points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I understand Bowles is coordinating this year for 32nd in yards and first in points That would be a bad ass stat to have though. Talk about bending but not breaking. Rex was too busy talking about not kissing belicheat's rings while every year talking about belicheat's rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 This will only be true if QB plays improves somewhat. If you have a QB throwing 1-2 picks/game, you better believe Bowles will do the same as Rex... keep trying to pound the rock and punt if need be. Try and let the defense keep you in the game and kick a ton of field goals. We cannot let the QB position continue to put us in terrible position to win. Don't agree.I think Bowles is smart enough to realize that what you are suggesting makes it more likely for the QB to be in bad situations and make MORE turnovers. Did you really not learn that after all the years of failure with Rex doing just that. You cannot win in today's NFL with a "punt is good mentality". Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Smith plays, we don't crack higher than 25th ranked O. Hard to judge really till we see who we have at QB. The rest is just window dressing compared to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I read that the Jets are obliged to use a lot of their cap space this year. Not sure of the exact number but it is a lot. They have to spend by next year, but would be wise to start spending this year to start catching up to where they need to be. I think this is why you hear that the Jets are talking to Wilkerson about a deal. If their cap situation was different, they'd probably put that off another year. The way that these rankings are created can be deceiving at times. The Jets had the 6th best defense in the league by rankings, but ranked 24th in points allowed. How the hell are you ranked 6th best defense when pretty much every team can score on you? This is why I like Bowles. Arizona was the 24th ranked defense in the league, but 5th in points allowed, which is what really matters. Points scored against the offense count as points scored against the defense in those rankings, too. Plus all the short fields the Jets gave up with turnovers. This is why you hear Bowles talking about Geno having to protect the football. The most important improvement the defense needs to make is making sure the offense doesn't turn it over as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Realistically it's too early to tell how our offense will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Realistically it's too early to tell how our offense will be. This, though a good guess is that it will suck. I'm optimistic about the one they call Geno Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 They have to spend by next year, but would be wise to start spending this year to start catching up to where they need to be. I think this is why you hear that the Jets are talking to Wilkerson about a deal. If their cap situation was different, they'd probably put that off another year. Points scored against the offense count as points scored against the defense in those rankings, too. Plus all the short fields the Jets gave up with turnovers. This is why you hear Bowles talking about Geno having to protect the football. The most important improvement the defense needs to make is making sure the offense doesn't turn it over as much. Aah. Thank you, sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Some people are already "jumping off the cliff" with some of the offensive players being associated with us (McCown, Spiller). Picking them apart and doubting what they could bring to the team. To them I say, relax!!! You need to keep your expectations for our offense in 2015 to a realistic level. My hopes for the offense are as follows: - Be in the top 5 rushing. We were #3 last year and #6 in 2013 - Be in the 16-21 range of total offense - Get average QB play from whoever is the starter. To me that would be: * Completion % in the 58-60 range * Passing yards a game in the 195-205 range * TD's in the 15-17 range * INT's in the 9-11 range We have to stop thinking that we are going to elevate to a GB/Rodgers level of offensive efficiency. That's not going to happen in one off-season, we need to shoot for realistic goals I think this is a pretty good post. We can win games with average offense and good defense. If you-know-who is not supplying turnovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Points scored against the offense count as points scored against the defense in those rankings, too. Plus all the short fields the Jets gave up with turnovers. This is why you hear Bowles talking about Geno having to protect the football. The most important improvement the defense needs to make is making sure the offense doesn't turn it over as much. All true, but sticking solely with the offensive side of the ball. It sucks to be top 3 in rushing but in the 20's in rushing TD's or that your QB is trash. As for the defense, they're our most solid group no doubt, but they're not elite. The last elite defense we had was Rex 1st year. They were #1 in total defense and #1 in points allowed, and that includes all those pick 6's Mark was throwing around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 All true, but sticking solely with the offensive side of the ball. It sucks to be top 3 in rushing but in the 20's in rushing TD's or that your QB is trash. As for the defense, they're our most solid group no doubt, but they're not elite. The last elite defense we had was Rex 1st year. They were #1 in total defense and #1 in points allowed, and that includes all those pick 6's Mark was throwing around. 2010 wasn't elite? Weren't they top 5 in both categories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Realistically the offense will continue to blow until they find a QB. this pretty much sums it up. Division champion QB's from 2014: Brady, Manning, Rapistburger, Luck, Wilson, Romo, Rodgers, Newton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 2010 wasn't elite? Weren't they top 5 in both categories? My point was based more from memory. That 2009 season was absolutely epic. 2010 could have also been, but 2009 was just one of those years that really stood out from the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Some people are already "jumping off the cliff" with some of the offensive players being associated with us (McCown, Spiller). Picking them apart and doubting what they could bring to the team. To them I say, relax!!! You need to keep your expectations for our offense in 2015 to a realistic level. My hopes for the offense are as follows: - Be in the top 5 rushing. We were #3 last year and #6 in 2013 - Be in the 16-21 range of total offense - Get average QB play from whoever is the starter. To me that would be: * Completion % in the 58-60 range * Passing yards a game in the 195-205 range * TD's in the 15-17 range * INT's in the 9-11 range We have to stop thinking that we are going to elevate to a GB/Rodgers level of offensive efficiency. That's not going to happen in one off-season, we need to shoot for realistic goals Fitzpatrick's three years with Gailey seem to fit fairly close to those expectations. There is a pretty fair chance he shakes loose if they re-sign Mallet. He is on the 2nd year of a 2/$7.25M contract. Due $3.25M. Might not be a bad gamble, especially as a floor with a young developmental guy - whether it is Mariotta or a longer shot like Bridge. These are Fitzpatrick's numbers with Gailey: 57.8 230.8 23 15 . 62.0 239.5 24 23 60.6 212.5 24 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I'm hoping we go after someone with some upside I disagree. I'm hoping we go after someone with no upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Your QB stats are basically "stop gap" stats. So, what you're telling me is that in the "generation of the quarterback/passing offense" its okay, or serviceable for your QB to produce 60% completion, 17 TD's, 11 INT's and 205 yards per game? Geno Smith 59.7% 13TD's 13 INT's 180 yards per game You give Geno Smith .3% more, give him 4 more TD's, remove 2 INT's and give him 20 more yards per game and the Jets win about 2 more games. Why? Because though the Jets are top 3 in rushing, they're 20th in rushing touchdowns. Same thing last year. The Jets were 6th in rushing, 20th again in rushing touchdowns. The way that these rankings are created can be deceiving at times. The Jets had the 6th best defense in the league by rankings, but ranked 24th in points allowed. How the hell are you ranked 6th best defense when pretty much every team can score on you? This is why I like Bowles. Arizona was the 24th ranked defense in the league, but 5th in points allowed, which is what really matters. I could care less how many yards you gain, its about points. The Jets dont score points with that top 3 rushing attack and their top 10 defense is in the bottom 10 in points allowed, which means that if our QB ends up looking like the stats that you're willing to accept then this team will win 6 to 7 games instead of 4. Aren't we tired of stop gap JAG's at QB? Ryan Fitzpatrick could give us those exact numbers, actually, he could do slightly better. Look at his stats this year for the Texans and they went 6-6 in his 12 games played. And thats a Texans team that is better than us at just about every level on offense and defense. We need a guy with the potential to be more than average if we're at the stage where these type of stats are acceptable. Either we trade for a QB that shows potential or we draft a QB at #6 then. However, Im sick of these type of stats or worse from the QB position. Might as well not even take the field. I would love a JAG QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Hope Mariota Falls to us make the trade with the Eagles and hope that Foles brings in avg but consistent qb numbers which I think he could. I left my magnifying glass at home. Darn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I disagree. I'm hoping we go after someone with no upside. the post above you was advocating Fitzpatrick, he has less upside then aten has body hair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 the post above you was advocating Fitzpatrick, he has less upside then aten has body hair But more body hair than aten has upside! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I would love a JAG QB. Such a darksider! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Such a darksider! that business has been booming for 45 years and counting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 the post above you was advocating Fitzpatrick, he has less upside then aten has body hair I want even less upside than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaJet Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 It would be amazing if we didnt have to change the channel when the offense is on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 that business has been booming for 45 years and counting regarding Jets hiring JAG's, absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Some people are already "jumping off the cliff" with some of the offensive players being associated with us (McCown, Spiller). Picking them apart and doubting what they could bring to the team. To them I say, relax!!! You need to keep your expectations for our offense in 2015 to a realistic level. My hopes for the offense are as follows: - Be in the top 5 rushing. We were #3 last year and #6 in 2013 - Be in the 16-21 range of total offense - Get average QB play from whoever is the starter. To me that would be: * Completion % in the 58-60 range * Passing yards a game in the 195-205 range * TD's in the 15-17 range * INT's in the 9-11 range We have to stop thinking that we are going to elevate to a GB/Rodgers level of offensive efficiency. That's not going to happen in one off-season, we need to shoot for realistic goals No it's not but we went from 27th to 5th in scoring in just 2 years thanks to Vinny's career year in 1998.. As always how the QB does is the huge factor in the teams success..The difference from 1996-97 was 27th to 12th 15 spots up in 1 year isn't bad.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 regarding Jets hiring JAG's, absolutely. It's funny our QB history is so bad, outside Broadway Joe, signing a JAG QB to us is like getting a HOF'er. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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