Larz Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/ 3. It takes a village: Because Maccagnan has no background in contract negotiations and cap management, the Jets have restructured the way they do business. Former GM John Idzik, a contract/cap guy, used to handle the bulk of the negotiating; now it's a committee approach. Maccagnan will oversee the operation, but the primary negotiators will be Rod Graves and Jacqueline Davidson -- the senior director and manager of football administration, respectively. Dave Socie, formerly of the league office, has been retained on a part-time basis to help with cap and contract philosophy. Hymie Elhai, the team's vice president/business affairs & legal counsel, also will be involved. From what I hear, the Muhammad Wilkerson negotiations were a one-man show (Idzik) last year. Once Idzik got fired, it caused the two sides to start from square one, basically. I guess it could work. some good cop/ bad cop stuff. thoughts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 still can do good cop/ bad cop with a traditional GM/cap guy relationship. In fact it's probably more effective. This sounds like a bad idea, too many cooks are never good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 still can do good cop/ bad cop with a traditional GM/cap guy relationship. In fact it's probably more effective. This sounds like a bad idea, too many cooks are never good Idzik is sitting in a room somewhere with a flash drive with every perfect future Jets contract on it, just laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 The key component to a personnel department is talent evaluation. Part of that evaluation is putting a dollar value on a player. As long as Maccagnan is overseeing the whole operation, and has a good handle on that, I'm really not all that concerned with who's doing the detail work. I think it gets more attention with the Jets fan base because we've had accountants running the talent operation here for the last decade or so. When it comes down to it, how often do teams **** up their cap situations so badly that it hurts the team? The Jets are in a situation where they're forced to spend big the next two years just to reach the cap floor. I don't see them having money problems any time soon. I also can't imagine that Maccagnan got thru the interview process without demonstrating a working knowledge of the salary cap. Woody's put an emphasis on the business side of the business with his last two hires, he didn't just throw that out the window this time around. Altered his priorities for the better, yes, but he didn't give up on the importance of the money side. Non issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Good structure: - You have a former GM running the administration/cap side - Also Graves has been here the past two years so he can be used as a resource by Maccagnan in terms of what Idzik's plan was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 22, 2015 Author Share Posted February 22, 2015 still can do good cop/ bad cop with a traditional GM/cap guy relationship. In fact it's probably more effective. This sounds like a bad idea, too many cooks are never good I would have to think rod graves is the lead guy who does the phone work with the agents, sets up the visits etc. Davidson probably is an apprentice GM in waiting. Socie is the keeper of the spreadsheet and rules guy. Elhai probably proof reads all final contracts and signs off on them so as long as the voice on the phone is primarily macc and graves, it's not too bad a concern for me is how quickly this group can move on a top tier free agent. the new "legal tampering" window rewards the teams that can move quickly and aggressively. I hope this model can keep up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBallhawk Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Sounds like a good idea, as long as they work as a unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Makes one yearn for the days of John Idzik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Good structure: - You have a former GM running the administration/cap side - Also Graves has been here the past two years so he can be used as a resource by Maccagnan in terms of what Idzik's plan was Graves was Idzik's personnel helper. I suspect this Socie dude is being retained on a part time basis because Maccagnan doesn't entirely trust Graves business sense - which is fine. I'm actually a little surprised Graves is still here with the house cleaning Maccagnan already did here, and won't be surprised if he's gone after the draft. He could just be the transition guy. I don't mind Maccagnan being clued into Idzik's plan, just as long as he Costanza's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 still can do good cop/ bad cop with a traditional GM/cap guy relationship. In fact it's probably more effective. This sounds like a bad idea, too many cooks are never good It's a pretty big kitchen. What's too many? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Interesting that Graves is staying with a key role in the new FO, and I am fine with the village approach, allows them to take personality conflicts out of the process and work more then 1 deal at a time... (this structure last year might have allowed time to take a call from the Revis camp...) Also interesting that Cimini's ESPN blog is getting better lately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 still can do good cop/ bad cop with a traditional GM/cap guy relationship. In fact it's probably more effective. This sounds like a bad idea, too many cooks are never good lol Is this the inauspicious redirect from "we need a football guy scouting GM, anyone can do the accounting" to "our GM should be in charge of teh accouting"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 It's a pretty big kitchen. What's too many? Don't listen to him, he's a vegina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/ 3. It takes a village: Because Maccagnan has no background in contract negotiations and cap management, the Jets have restructured the way they do business. Former GM John Idzik, a contract/cap guy, used to handle the bulk of the negotiating; now it's a committee approach. Maccagnan will oversee the operation, but the primary negotiators will be Rod Graves and Jacqueline Davidson -- the senior director and manager of football administration, respectively. Dave Socie, formerly of the league office, has been retained on a part-time basis to help with cap and contract philosophy. Hymie Elhai, the team's vice president/business affairs & legal counsel, also will be involved. From what I hear, the Muhammad Wilkerson negotiations were a one-man show (Idzik) last year. Once Idzik got fired, it caused the two sides to start from square one, basically. I guess it could work. some good cop/ bad cop stuff. thoughts ? I have a thought. Hire a GM and a Pres. Ops. GM selects talent. Pres. Ops. handles the business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Idzik is sitting in a room somewhere with a flash drive with every perfect future Jets contract on it, just laughing. Yeah, but its probably on the same flash drive with his big board. The one where McDougal and Saunders are top 100 guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Good structure: - You have a former GM running the administration/cap side - Also Graves has been here the past two years so he can be used as a resource by Maccagnan in terms of what Idzik's plan was Agree. The key oversight that a lot of people in the media seem to forget despite the FO overhaul, is that Graves - a former GM & Idzik's RHM - was the PRIMARY contract negotiator for the Cardinals during his GM tenure and is still here for that capacity. . Keeping Graves is one of the bigger moves that allowed a more Scouting Oriented candidate like RonSwanson to be hired by the NY Jets. The Jets have assembled & retained a veteran front office that is well balanced in both scouting & cap administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 lol Is this the inauspicious redirect from "we need a football guy scouting GM, anyone can do the accounting" to "our GM should be in charge of teh accouting"? No, it's why not hire someone to manage the cap. Very happy the cap guy isn't in charge.. you big baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Who cares. A guy that knows talent will decide if what some money man says makes sense and take it to the owner. If it doesn't make sense, the owner probably never sees it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I think it's a good idea. There is a lot to focus on this year, being new and having to, in a way, catch up, so I am happy McCags is doing this. I think this lets everything get more attention instead of doing this, then doing that, then going back to this--- I think this way is a win/win if everyone knows what they're doing. Especially if McCags is overseeing it. I agree with Slats. Non issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 No, it's why not hire someone to manage the cap. Very happy the cap guy isn't in charge.. you big baby I didn't think you were expressing a point of view, I thought you were leaving breadcrumbs for the flip-flop demographic here. I considered it a trolling compliment. Instead, you're just being a whiny turd, but yeah, I'm the baby. Cream puff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Good structure: - You have a former GM running the administration/cap side - Also Graves has been here the past two years so he can be used as a resource by Maccagnan in terms of what Idzik's plan was So, we kept Graves to shred old documents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I didn't think you were expressing a point of view, I thought you were leaving breadcrumbs for the flip-flop demographic here. I considered it a trolling compliment. Instead, you're just being a whiny turd, but yeah, I'm the baby. Cream puff. Thats a long breadcrumb, the fli flop won't start happening in any tangible way till October Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Thats a long breadcrumb, the fli flop won't start happening in any tangible way till October You're talking to someone who has been years ahead of the sentiment curve here. I was giving you credit for trying to be a pioneer. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 You're talking to someone who has been years ahead of the sentiment curve here. I was giving you credit for trying to be a pioneer. LOL We both know it will happen, doesn't take Nostradomus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Hymei Elhai. Now that's a ******* name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 We both know it will happen, doesn't take Nostradomus Nostradamnape. Get it right, bub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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