Matt39 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 For the past six seasons, the Jets were built around the old-school sensibilities of Rex Ryan, with line coach Dave DeGuglielmo summing up the traditional mindset with a 2012 rant against analytics: "All of a sudden we're 'Moneyballing' offensive lineman," he said. "[The] world I live in isn't a fantasy world." Ryan's departure does not herald a new approach to analytics. Team owner Woody Johnson has given no indication analytics will be incorporated into the Jets' football operations. New GM Mike Maccagnan, whose background is as a scout and scouting director, has spent most of his NFL career with the Houston Texans, one of the least analytics-friendly organizations in the NFL. New coach Todd Bowles comes from the Arizona Cardinals, another organization that has done little with analytics. It's safe to say that bringing analytics to the Jets was not a priority in either hire. http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12331388/the-great-analytics-rankings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Straight coaches and front office? Who'd have thunk it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 math is for nerds and homos anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Gato will not be happy with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 In all seriousness though, baseball is the best sport for making use of analytics, and basketball is embracing them in a big way, with NBA teams making use of military-grade cameras to track every player's movements on the court. But football is a lot more complex than either of those 2 sports. It'd be nice to embrace them and be ahead of the curve, but is it absolutely crucial to success? I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Beware of the analytics gurus, just went through this with the hockey team I cheer for, the Edmonton oilers. The coach was a huge analytics nerd and both he and the gm brilliantly spouted about how they had raised all the advanced stats numbers up from where they had been. The team couldn;t win a hockey game to save its life but the advanced stats were looking good. even after the guy was fired he proudly pointed to the advanced stats improvement. The new coach comes in the team plays much better and their advanced stats go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Analytics are great for certain things, but not really in football. Mostly sample size issues. Not enough games or plays for a slight edge that you get from analytics (because that's all it is, a slight edge) to make any difference. The 162 game baseball season and 82 game basketball season provide a lot more opportunities - especially in basketball where there are so many possessions in a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 math is for nerds and homos anyway This. Moneyballing is something you should do with a stripper to celebrate randomly drafting John Conner cause he blew up that LBer you where scouting and has a sweet ******* name. Go watch women's basketball and marvel at the fundamentals, nerds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 But football is a lot more complex than either of those 2 sports. It'd be nice to embrace them and be ahead of the curve, but is it absolutely crucial to success? I'm not sure. Looks like one team is already ahead of the curve. ESPN’s Kevin Seifert goes on to say that the Pats’ use of statistics “…suggests that the Patriots are one of the most innovative teams in the NFL.” Good thing there was enough innovation left over after drawing up all those wide-receivers-throwing-touchdown-pass plays. More on Pats and stats: “Owner Robert Kraft worked with a former colleague in the 1990s to create statistical models for player valuation. And for the past 15 years, Belichick has relied heavily on his football research director, Ernie Adams, a former Wall Street trader who collaborates with the coach to develop a variety of cutting-edge approaches to team building and game play. Belichick recently told The Boston Globe: “Ernie’s really a great sounding board for me personally and other members of our staff. Particularly coaching staff. Strategy, rules, decisions. Ernie’s very, very smart.” “One major strategy employed by the Patriots has been an arbitrage system in personnel, whether multiplying draft picks via draft day trades or moving their veteran players (such as defensive tackle Richard Seymour in 2009, receiver Randy Moss in 2010 and offensive lineman Logan Mankins in 2014) before they lose value. Based in part on such moves, the Patriots have had unmatched success in the Belichick era, with four Super Bowl rings and counting.” http://chowderandchampions.com/2015/02/23/new-england-patriots-believers-analytics/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOZ THE JET Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 In Woody I trust.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Put Tom Brady on the Jets and put Geno Smith on the Pats and then let's talk about analytics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Old school techniques of using your eyes and viewing film is the ONLY way to judge players. Reducing everything to a stat is stupid and lazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Gonna go out on a limb here, but I'm fairly certain that Rex isn't a fan of math for no other reason than he doesn't know how to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 Put Tom Brady on the Jets and put Geno Smith on the Pats and then let's talk about analytics. Fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patman Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Gonna go out on a limb here, but I'm fairly certain that Rex isn't a fan of math for no other reason than he doesn't know how to do it. nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Gonna go out on a limb here, but I'm fairly certain that Rex isn't a fan of math for no other reason than he doesn't know how to do it. That team couldn't even count to 11. I guess maybe they could, but they kept getting to 12 instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 How the hell can ESPN know the extent to which everyone in the sports world uses analytics? Seems stupid as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Aren't Houston and Arizona two of the better drafting teams in the league? And are they basing this ranking solely off of whether or not these organizations hired a person specifically to crunch numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 This. Moneyballing is something you should do with a stripper to celebrate randomly drafting John Conner cause he blew up that LBer you where scouting and has a sweet ******* name. Go watch women's basketball and marvel at the fundamentals, nerds. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Sounds like bullsh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Looks like one team is already ahead of the curve. ESPN’s Kevin Seifert goes on to say that the Pats’ use of statistics “…suggests that the Patriots are one of the most innovative teams in the NFL.” Good thing there was enough innovation left over after drawing up all those wide-receivers-throwing-touchdown-pass plays. More on Pats and stats: “Owner Robert Kraft worked with a former colleague in the 1990s to create statistical models for player valuation. And for the past 15 years, Belichick has relied heavily on his football research director, Ernie Adams, a former Wall Street trader who collaborates with the coach to develop a variety of cutting-edge approaches to team building and game play. Belichick recently told The Boston Globe: “Ernie’s really a great sounding board for me personally and other members of our staff. Particularly coaching staff. Strategy, rules, decisions. Ernie’s very, very smart.” “One major strategy employed by the Patriots has been an arbitrage system in personnel, whether multiplying draft picks via draft day trades or moving their veteran players (such as defensive tackle Richard Seymour in 2009, receiver Randy Moss in 2010 and offensive lineman Logan Mankins in 2014) before they lose value. Based in part on such moves, the Patriots have had unmatched success in the Belichick era, with four Super Bowl rings and counting.” [url=http://chowderandchampions.com/2015/02/23/new-england-patriots-believers-analytics/]http://chowderandchampions.com/2015/02/23/new-england-patriots-believers-ana I guess we finally have to give Belichick his due.Armed with all these analyitics and genius's that Kraft has hired over the years, he still had the balls to wait until the 6th round to draft Brady. Impressive. Stop with this nonsense Tex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Put Tom Brady on the Jets and put Geno Smith on the Pats and then let's talk about analytics. Sure. Because it's not like knowing anything about the concept of probability will help a quarterback turn the ball over less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Looks like one team is already ahead of the curve. ESPN’s Kevin Seifert goes on to say that the Pats’ use of statistics “…suggests that the Patriots are one of the most innovative teams in the NFL.” Good thing there was enough innovation left over after drawing up all those wide-receivers-throwing-touchdown-pass plays. More on Pats and stats: “Owner Robert Kraft worked with a former colleague in the 1990s to create statistical models for player valuation. And for the past 15 years, Belichick has relied heavily on his football research director, Ernie Adams, a former Wall Street trader who collaborates with the coach to develop a variety of cutting-edge approaches to team building and game play. Belichick recently told The Boston Globe: “Ernie’s really a great sounding board for me personally and other members of our staff. Particularly coaching staff. Strategy, rules, decisions. Ernie’s very, very smart.” “One major strategy employed by the Patriots has been an arbitrage system in personnel, whether multiplying draft picks via draft day trades or moving their veteran players (such as defensive tackle Richard Seymour in 2009, receiver Randy Moss in 2010 and offensive lineman Logan Mankins in 2014) before they lose value. Based in part on such moves, the Patriots have had unmatched success in the Belichick era, with four Super Bowl rings and counting.” http://chowderandchampions.com/2015/02/23/new-england-patriots-believers-analytics/ Every one knows the Pats cheat TX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Every one knows the Pats cheat TX. Yes, but they cheat analytically! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Gonna go out on a limb here, but I'm fairly certain that Rex isn't a fan of math for no other reason than he doesn't know how to do it. bet he can count toes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Yes, but they cheat analytically! +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenPond Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Aren't the Seahwaks using stats/algorithms to analyze players? Remember reading something about it a couple of years ago about how they let players do certain workouts and use some type of algorithm (provided by Nike?) to give players a score, which shows them how well they fit their scheme.Don't know the details anymore, but must have been something like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryK Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I've applied analytics to this article (and some of this thread) and it's poop. Teams that use analytics: 1, the Patriots. Teams that don't: Jets, and a couple others. Conclusion: the league has 3 teams. Other Conclusions: -No BAD teams use analytics? -No GOOD teams avoid analytics? -No average teams use a mix of both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 They also forgot, team that does cheats, and has an All world Q.B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Put Tom Brady on the Jets and put Geno Smith on the Pats and then let's talk about analytics. Analytics said don't touch sanchez with a 10 ft pole. That being said, sometimes it's better to be luck then good.. as in the case of belicheat getting brady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Looks like one team is already ahead of the curve. ESPN’s Kevin Seifert goes on to say that the Pats’ use of statistics “…suggests that the Patriots are one of the most innovative teams in the NFL.” Good thing there was enough innovation left over after drawing up all those wide-receivers-throwing-touchdown-pass plays. More on Pats and stats: “Owner Robert Kraft worked with a former colleague in the 1990s to create statistical models for player valuation. And for the past 15 years, Belichick has relied heavily on his football research director, Ernie Adams, a former Wall Street trader who collaborates with the coach to develop a variety of cutting-edge approaches to team building and game play. Belichick recently told The Boston Globe: “Ernie’s really a great sounding board for me personally and other members of our staff. Particularly coaching staff. Strategy, rules, decisions. Ernie’s very, very smart.” “One major strategy employed by the Patriots has been an arbitrage system in personnel, whether multiplying draft picks via draft day trades or moving their veteran players (such as defensive tackle Richard Seymour in 2009, receiver Randy Moss in 2010 and offensive lineman Logan Mankins in 2014) before they lose value. Based in part on such moves, the Patriots have had unmatched success in the Belichick era, with four Super Bowl rings and counting.” http://chowderandchampions.com/2015/02/23/new-england-patriots-believers-analytics/ Despite all these they needed deflated balls and a brain fart from Pete Carroll to win it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Analytics said don't touch sanchez with a 10 ft pole. Sort of. He just started so few games. Pretty easy to get fooled. I think Lewin actually had Sanchez ahead of Stafford in the face of his own numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 Dont worry guys we got Neil Glat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Analytics said don't touch sanchez with a 10 ft pole. That being said, sometimes it's better to be luck then good.. as in the case of belicheat getting brady They also had Geno graded out decently. People really mistake this sh*t. It's just a tool, (albeit a damn good one), meant to be used with other tools in an imperfect process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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