Miss Lonelyhearts Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Shhht. Don't ruin her fantasy. Dupree is the next Mario Williams. Name one player in this draft class who produces more sacks on his rookie contract. Then bookmark this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 He does that in five seconds he's worth four firsts easy. I deleted it but har har on this. That said, some good perspective on Dupree here and the nudge needed. Dupree's gone from possibly to a favorite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBallhawk Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Dupree would pass there too. He's got a good reputation as far as the whole locker room and work ethic stuff is concerned. Justin Houston led his group in the broad jump, vertical and bench press....sub-7 3-cone at 270 too...and 34 inch arms with huge hands. Beast. Newsflash: The combine is just entertainment for the fans. At least the dumb drills they have, which most of them have nothing to do with football and don't translate to what the players do on the field. Teams and Coaches go there to talk to the players primarily and even bigger are the medical reports. That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBallhawk Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Name one player in this draft class who produces more sacks on his rookie contract. Then bookmark this. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 Newsflash: The combine is just entertainment for the fans. At least the dumb drills they have, which most of them have nothing to do with football and don't translate to what the players do on the field. Teams and Coaches go there to talk to the players primarily and even bigger are the medical reports. That's it. Sorry sir, you will have to try this on someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Newsflash: The combine is just entertainment for the fans. At least the dumb drills they have, which most of them have nothing to do with football and don't translate to what the players do on the field. Teams and Coaches go there to talk to the players primarily and even bigger are the medical reports. That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Sorry sir, you will have to try this on someone else. lol, nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Dupree would pass there too. He's got a good reputation as far as the whole locker room and work ethic stuff is concerned. Justin Houston led his group in the broad jump, vertical and bench press....sub-7 3-cone at 270 too...and 34 inch arms with huge hands. Beast. And it got him all the way to the 3rd rd in the draft.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 And it got him all the way to the 3rd rd in the draft.. And the fact that the numbers track actual pro performance better than they predict draft position is bad because. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Newsflash: The combine is just entertainment for the fans. At least the dumb drills they have, which most of them have nothing to do with football and don't translate to what the players do on the field. Teams and Coaches go there to talk to the players primarily and even bigger are the medical reports. That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 They call me Bud Dupree....... gonna be a playa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBallhawk Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Sorry sir, you will have to try this on someone else. That's it, there you go. You keep building your all-combine NFL team in your fictional world of football. Have you ever considered rooting for the Raiders? Look up Al Davis, you'd love him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 A mock draft: 1 - Dupree DE/OLB 2 - Gurley RB 3 - Ogbuehi OT 4 - Crowder WR Fif - Montgomery WR/RB/UT or Rannell Hall or Diggs from Maryland 7 - Alani Fua LB I like Flowers the Miami OT, but he'll go in the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 That's it, there you go. You keep building your all-combine NFL team in your fictional world of football. Have you ever considered rooting for the Raiders? Look up Al Davis, you'd love him. I know you've put alot of science into this, but my *gut* tells me that I *feel as if* you are being irrational. I'm just trusting my instinct here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBallhawk Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I know you've put alot of science into this, but my *gut* tells me that I *feel as if* you are being irrational. I'm just trusting my instinct here. Your gut must be stuffed with McGriddle's then. But you stick to your gut feeling and your instincts. I rather listen to people like Jon Gruden & Greg Cosell tell me what combine workouts mean to people (coaches, teams, scouts). Another excellent read on combine performances by an expert, if you care to digest those McGriddle's. http://www.si.com/edge/2014/10/16/tim-grover-talent-isnt-enough Bottom line: The ultimate measure of a competitor is determined by what you can’t measure—the intangibles. Anyone can measure height, weight, and speed, but you can’t measure intellect, commitment, persistence, or the instinctive ability to convert talent into results. Success depends on the strength of only one muscle: the one that beats in your chest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 Your gut must be stuffed with McGriddle's then. But you stick to your gut feeling and your instincts. I rather listen to people like Jon Gruden & Greg Cosell tell me what combine workouts mean to people (coaches, teams, scouts). Another excellent read on combine performances by an expert, if you care to digest those McGriddle's. http://www.si.com/edge/2014/10/16/tim-grover-talent-isnt-enough Plus, Dupree was really good even before the off the charts combine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBallhawk Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Plus, Dupree was really good even before the off the charts combine. Find me one credible scout or draft expert that doesn't knock his lack of intelligence on the field, his lack of awareness, his lack of understanding of the the game, his lack of skill, his lack of (pass rush) moves, his lack of everything really that makes a great player. I don't disagree with you that he's physically gifted. Great. But in case you forgot, we drafted his twin brother (Gholston) a few years ago. Let somebody else have him this time around, we don't need another Gholston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I won't be the least bit surprised if Dupree turns out to be the best player in this class. I got the same feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I don't want to hear about how great an athlete a prospect is. I want to hear about how great a football player he is. What does he do with the pads on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBallhawk Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I don't want to hear about how great an athlete a prospect is. I want to hear about how great a football player he is. What does he do with the pads on? Him and Gholston are the same exact player coming out of college. Maybe that answers your question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 A mock draft: 1 - Dupree DE/OLB 2 - Gurley RB 3 - Ogbuehi OT 4 - Crowder WR Fif - Montgomery WR/RB/UT or Rannell Hall or Diggs from Maryland 7 - Alani Fua LB I like Flowers the Miami OT, but he'll go in the first. That's hot. I need to figure something out for the line. There really doesn't seem to be any kind of emerging consensus on ranking this class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Your gut must be stuffed with McGriddle's then. But you stick to your gut feeling and your instincts. I rather listen to people like Jon Gruden & Greg Cosell tell me what combine workouts mean to people (coaches, teams, scouts). If what you want to hear is that numbers don't matter, ask two people who don't understand numbers. Newsflash: you're not the only one with a TV. Everybody has heard the line about the medicals and the interviews being the only things that matter. Lots of conventional wisdom is lies and gibberish. They're on the air 24 hours a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Find me one credible scout or draft expert that doesn't knock his lack of intelligence on the field, his lack of awareness, his lack of understanding of the the game, his lack of skill, his lack of (pass rush) moves, his lack of everything really that makes a great player. I don't disagree with you that he's physically gifted. Great. But in case you forgot, we drafted his twin brother (Gholston) a few years ago. Let somebody else have him this time around, we don't need another Gholston. Dupree led the SEC in HBPs last season, kid's got grit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBallhawk Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 If what you want to hear is that numbers don't matter, ask two people who don't understand numbers. Newsflash: you're not the only one with a TV. Everybody has heard the line about the medicals and the interviews being the only things that matter. Lots of conventional wisdom is lies and gibberish. They're on the air 24 hours a day. In case you didn't know, Jon Gruden got fired by the Buccaneers a long time ago, he doesn't work for them anymore. It makes absolutely no sense for him to now lie about whether the combine numbers are important or not. Same goes for Greg Cosell, one of the most knowledgable and most respected persons in all of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBallhawk Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Dupree led the SEC in HBPs last season, kid's got grit. As in high blood pressure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 Find me one credible scout or draft expert that doesn't knock his lack of intelligence on the field, his lack of awareness, his lack of understanding of the the game, his lack of skill, his lack of (pass rush) moves, his lack of everything really that makes a great player. I don't disagree with you that he's physically gifted. Great. But in case you forgot, we drafted his twin brother (Gholston) a few years ago. Let somebody else have him this time around, we don't need another Gholston. Gholston!! Gholston!! Gholston!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 In case you didn't know, Jon Gruden got fired by the Buccaneers a long time ago, he doesn't work for them anymore. It makes absolutely no sense for him to now lie about whether the combine numbers are important or not. Same goes for Greg Cosell, one of the most knowledgable and most respected persons in all of football. ya, but people who actually work in football are only like .1% as knowledgeable as people who chat about it online. Most of these guys could werk in the nfl if they wanted but they are too busy with more important thingz, it's just a game afterall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 ya, but people who actually work in football are only like .1% as knowledgeable as people who chat about it online. Most of these guys could werk in the nfl if they wanted but they are too busy with more important thingz, it's just a game afterall Gruden got fired a long time ago, he must be smartest of all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 ya, but people who actually work in football are only like .1% as knowledgeable as people who chat about it online. Most of these guys could werk in the nfl if they wanted but they are too busy with more important thingz, it's just a game afterall And the people who pretend to be stupid on the internet are the smartest of all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Dupree's a fluid athlete, very different from the Gholston/Perry straight line-ish types who people are knocking in this thread. The whole premise that teams should want a pass rusher who's not athletic is hilarious. Looking at the top ten sack guys from last season: Houston, Watt, Williams, Barwin, Miller, and Griffen all were great athletes and had tremendous workouts. Pierre-Paul was widely viewed as an athletic freak - I don't think he tested out that well but he still got drafted on athleticism instead of production. Kerrigan was viewed as a blue collar guy but actually tested out pretty well athletically. And then Dumervil and Suggs didn't test out particularly well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Dupree's a fluid athlete, very different from the Gholston/Perry straight line-ish types who people are knocking in this thread. The whole premise that teams should want a pass rusher who's not athletic is hilarious. Looking at the top ten sack guys from last season: Houston, Watt, Williams, Barwin, Miller, and Griffen all were great athletes and had tremendous workouts. Pierre-Paul was widely viewed as an athletic freak - I don't think he tested out that well but he still got drafted on athleticism instead of production. Kerrigan was viewed as a blue collar guy but actually tested out pretty well athletically. And then Dumervil and Suggs didn't test out particularly well. Who do you think will end up being the best pure edge rusher in this class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 That's hot. I need to figure something out for the line. There really doesn't seem to be any kind of emerging consensus on ranking this class. Yeah, I don't get this OL group at all. I wonder if it's because so many top names are either 5th year seniors or juniors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBallhawk Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Dupree's a fluid athlete, very different from the Gholston/Perry straight line-ish types who people are knocking in this thread.Thanks for clearing that up. That seals it I guess. Dupree goes #1 overall. By the way where were you when those other busts were drafted? You sound very smart ... after the fact. Doesn't exactly take a genius to do what you're doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 And the people who pretend to be stupid on the internet are the smartest of all. MRW to this post compared to the rest of the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 Doesn't exactly take a genius to do what you're doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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